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ElFenix

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that assumes that palestinians are a nationality, which it isn't, but thats neither here nor there.

taking away pakistani nukes would be a bad idea because its offsetting the much larger indian army with the policy of massive attack, just like the US policy in western europe under ike.
 

lawaris

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Originally posted by: Zombie
Originally posted by: Jzero
Come on kids, how do you all feel about the Palestinians? Why do you view Pakistan as any different?
For one think, Palestine is NOT a sovereign nation. Palestinians are a nationality without a nation. That's exactly why they're fighting Israel--they want their own homeland.




hmmm...
That does not really make any sense. What about Iraq? Isn't Iraq a independent country as well? What right do you have to ask for UN inspections ? What about the northern 'No Fly Zone'. I am not saying that Iraq does not deserve it but none of those restrictions are constitutional. If any other soverign country can have nukes why can't saddam? Why try to buy out North Korean Nuke program? Soverign nation does not give a country right whatever it wants. It's very hipocritic of few Americans to say "Oh we don't do that. They have a right to do so." Vietnam wanted to have a communist govt. did US respect their right? Wanna talk about human rights ? What about Afghan/Pakistani detainees brought over from Afghanistan? I know it is a touchy issue for all of us but come on lets not create double standards here.

I know that it would be a stupid idea to try what is proposed here but it's equally stupid to say they are soverign and thus have a right to have nukes.

US is always = double standard .....but isn't it the world like today ?

Why just blame the US ?

 

Amused

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Not to be insulting, but this is about the stupidist fscking thing I've seen all week.

Oh well, the week is young...
 

Nemesis77

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BlipBlob:

I was looking at your profile... What ethnic background are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm asking so we can determine that can you be objective on this matter.

The goal of that petition is noble. But it's one-sided (why just Pakistan? Why not India as well? Why not China too, they are just as wicked (more so) than Pakistan is), and it's means are lacking.
 

JellyBaby

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It's not up to us to determine Pakistan's nuclear future. It's up to Pakistan. We can share our view with them using the Big Boy voice but in the end they developed a nuclear capability to protect their own interests. They'll determine what happens.
 

mrCide

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Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Not to be insulting, but this is about the stupidist fscking thing I've seen all week.

Oh well, the week is young...

i, for once, agree with you
 

lawaris

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Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Not to be insulting, but this is about the stupidist fscking thing I've seen all week.

Oh well, the week is young...

oh !

were u here yesterdat night ?

hint : look up the locked threads

 

exp

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This is a great idea, but on one condition only: immediately following seizure every single warhead must be used on BlipBlop's house.

Add that change to the petition and I will sign it gladly.
 

Jzero

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What about Iraq? Isn't Iraq a independent country as well? What right do you have to ask for UN inspections ? What about the northern 'No Fly Zone'.
The UN can try to force to bow down to weapons inspections and the no-fly zones, and they can try to enforce their requests with the threat of trade sanctions and coalition attacks, but at the end of the day, Iraq remains a sovereign nation. They kicked out the weapons inspectors, they said they will no longer bow down to the UN orders, and they consistently challenge the no-fly zones.

If the UN requested Pakistan to disarm, they would be equally powerless to truly force their hand.
Do not confuse the UN with the US. The two entities are not one in the same, and are sometimes at odds.

I am not saying that Iraq does not deserve it but none of those restrictions are constitutional.
Constitutional based on what constitution? There is no constitution governing the international community, and the constitution of the US which guarantees her citizens the right to be armed does not apply to a foreign government or citizens.
If any other soverign country can have nukes why can't saddam? Why try to buy out North Korean Nuke program? Soverign nation does not give a country right whatever it wants. It's very hipocritic of few Americans to say "Oh we don't do that. They have a right to do so."
Saddam probably does have nukes, or at the very least bio/chem weapons. If he didn't, he'd let the inspectors in and allow his country to get back to economic normalcy.
North Korea continues to present a threat to the US, so we continue trying to minimize that threat. I don't see Pakistan threatening the US.
Additionally, you have to review the two situations--the US fought with North Korea in the 1950s as part of combating the spread of Communism. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but this is more of a "personal" dispute between N Korea and the US which others stay out of, much as this is a personal dispute between India and Pakistan.
As for Iraq, I reiterate the fact that at the end of the day the UN is powerless over a sovereign nation, and the UN does not always serve US interests.
Vietnam wanted to have a communist govt. did US respect their right?
Refer to discussion of N. Korea above. See the fact that in the 50s 60s and 70s, the US government viewed Communism as a spreading scourge that needed to be fought. Vietnam did not "want" to have a Communist government, Ho Chi Minh and his allies wanted to install one whether or not the people went for it.
If it was despicable to try and defend the people's rights in Vietnam, then it must be despicable to defend the people's rights in Kasmir? No one asked them what they wanted to do.
Wanna talk about human rights ? What about Afghan/Pakistani detainees brought over from Afghanistan? I know it is a touchy issue for all of us but come on lets not create double standards here.
I have no idea what exactly you're referring to. Pakistani terrorists fighting alongside Afghan terrorists? I don't see a double standard there....terrorists were detained regardless of nationality.
I know that it would be a stupid idea to try what is proposed here but it's equally stupid to say they are soverign and thus have a right to have nukes.
Apparently not....

 

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This is a joke right? Who comes up with these hair-brained schemes?
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Indians?
Yeah it was the Sioux that thought this hair brained scheme up
 

Zombie

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There is no constitution governing the international community

You said it. There is not constitution that says 'Not Fair' or 'Can't do'. It's a different matter that we don't wanna do it or that it might be a nightmare to implement whatever is proposed here.


North Korea continues to present a threat to the US, so we continue trying to minimize that threat. I don't see Pakistan threatening the US.

Who were the only 3 nations to recognize taliban regime? They were Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates. Pakistan created and supported a regime that even North Korea, Cuba, Syria and Sudan refused to recognize. All four countries among US watch list of states sponsoring terrorism. Pakistan is helping US now but not by choice. Lets not forget that it was given only 2 choices Join the war against terrorism or be on the recieving end. So it would be a mistake to say that Pakistan is a natural ally. The point being, Do you wanna deal with this 'Islamic Bomb'(as Pakistani president terms it) now or a decade from now when the technology from Pakistan finds it way to middle-east, Africa or even cuba ??
 
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Blip--sorry, but there are a lot of things wrong with that letter. For one thing, its poorly written.

"Our war against terrorism around the world is stepping into its 10th month in response to the dastardly attack by Al Qaeda on the American homeland on September 11, 2001"

The first sentence alone contains a misplaced modifier and is almost a run on.

It would be better like this:

The war against terrorism is now in its 10th month, and our resolve remains strong in light of Al Qaeda's continuting threat against our homeland. September 11th will not be forgotten.

However, even if we ignore the structural errors, the IDEA behind this document is flawed. Please, dont post this crap.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: Zombie
There is no constitution governing the international community

You said it. There is not constitution that says 'Not Fair' or 'Can't do'. It's a different matter that we don't wanna do it or that it might be a nightmare to implement whatever is proposed here.
There need be nothing that says "not fair" or "can't do."
Fair or not, nightmare to implement or not, aside from the international community asking a nation to disarm themselves, the only way to compel a nation to give up their arms would be by force, which is hardly plausible.


North Korea continues to present a threat to the US, so we continue trying to minimize that threat. I don't see Pakistan threatening the US.

Who were the only 3 nations to recognize taliban regime? They were Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates. Pakistan created and supported a regime that even North Korea, Cuba, Syria and Sudan refused to recognize.
I'm not sure I follow. Those 4 nations' refusal to recognize the Pakistani government (are you referring to the present-day one?) doesn't really mean anything. The fact that most of the rest of the world DOES recognize Musharraf is significant. Compare to the fact that only 3 nations recognized the Taliban. The majority is important. If most nations recognize a government it is far more legitimate than if only a few do.
All four countries among US watch list of states sponsoring terrorism. Pakistan is helping US now but not by choice. Lets not forget that it was given only 2 choices Join the war against terrorism or be on the recieving end. So it would be a mistake to say that Pakistan is a natural ally.
I don't recall ever calling Pakistan a natural US ally, or even an ally at all. I merely said that they were not agressors. Pakistan has not directly threatened the US.
The point being, Do you wanna deal with this 'Islamic Bomb'(as Pakistani president terms it) now or a decade from now when the technology from Pakistan finds it way to middle-east, Africa or even cuba ??
The march of time will carry technology everywhere. Forcibly disarming one nation will do nothing to stem the spread of nuclear technology, nor will it solve the present-day problem. To propose disarming only Pakistan believing that it will somehow prevent other nations from becoming nuclear-capable is a naive notion.
As I said before: If one nation is asked to lay down its arms, all must be asked, and even then I imagine few nations will actually go for it.
Simply going after Pakistan, however, is not productive and will not solve the Kashmir dispute.

 

Sepen

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Hahahaha, hahahaa...sure, this is gonna work. Maybe just maybe the US or it's people should butt out of other countrys affairs. ;)
 

js1973

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I want to start a petition that will help me get in better shape. How many signatures would I need to put on 25 lbs. of muscle?
 

Lucky

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What right do you have to ask for UN inspections ? What about the northern 'No Fly Zone'. I am not saying that Iraq does not deserve it but none of those restrictions are constitutional. If any other soverign country can have nukes why can't saddam?


Because we whupped his ass 10 years ago, wasnt all that a requirement to end the war?