Zebo
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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
lol.
Well some people might say paying $300,000 for Rolls Royce is a not a good value either since "its just a car"
But no other Intel chip offered a 2mb L3 cache for the desktop compatible with my board, so the purchase made sense.
When Im looking to build pedestrian systems for others, I go AMD. They can ride the bus. :laugh:
Zebo - hope that was funny.
Of course ...
Look. There are two main types of consumers..
Those who want the best and don't care what it costs, in fact they like paying a premium because it sets them apart from the rest of the rabble as being refined, in tune, special....just look how you call AMD "pedestrian". They are not really concerned with value or price/performance ratios. They simply want something they can enjoy on its own terms -- something powerful that they can tinker with and brag about. There is a definite sense of community because they know that the vast majority of people have not invested as much money into their computers. They feel that they have worked hard and can now enjoy a premium product in all its glory.
The second type, the more common approach, those who have an idea of what performance they want, then evaluate all suitable products, settling on the one with the highest price/performance ratio. Using any saved to put into apreciating assests such as Megatomic's house. Not the grand champion of depreciation, the computer. pretty boring, huh?
We should'nt begrude his choice, he's enjoying the technology on it's own terms, but we are free to point out there are more prudent choices and it violates all laws of "value purchasing" consumers and busineses use every day. There is nothing at all wrong with this because it's a purely emotional act. The purchase was not based on an extensive cost/benefit analysis. There was little or no consideration of price/performance ratios. And there was probably even a concious realization that a much cheaper product could have performed quite well or equally well overclocked. But that's irrelevant. He wanted it, so he bought it. End of story.
In fact I love consumers like Felix over you cheap bastards. We (fam biz) build high end homes, and they eat up stuff like electric gates, (tag on 60K), Blanco sinks and faucets (tag on another 50K) etc...Without the consumers making these emotional choices we'd be stuck building crackerboxes for pennies.
Steeplerot
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Nice one! Here is my 88$ Mobile CPU on a $20 compussr heatsink getting 8 less on dry and 250 less on whet
and a Tom Waits Background
...I like my cpu even more now thanks to this thread!
and a Tom Waits Background
...I like my cpu even more now thanks to this thread!
Markfw
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OK, hate to kill you happiness, but reality wins here. I just got 16205 drystone AT STOCK ON MY 2.2 GHZ OPTERON 248 (compared to your 10,462) and whetstone of 8284 SSE2 (compared to your 7481) and memory bandwidth 4718 on ONE of my TWO cpus (compared to your 4308). You probably paid more for you one cpu then I did for one of mine ($650), and I only spend a few hundred more for the other.
Bottom line is the P4EE is a waste, OC'ed to 3.9, I can still beat the pants off it with ONE of my two CPU's at stock.
Bottom line is the P4EE is a waste, OC'ed to 3.9, I can still beat the pants off it with ONE of my two CPU's at stock.
Steeplerot
Lifer
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Damn that is some serious SCSI, I was talking to someone at work and they said a cheap Opteron setup wouldn't work good, I knew that was BS, just need to find a dual PCIX/dual opteron socket... I got my eye on 2x242 opterons....
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i would love to see some real benches of a EE @ 3.9 vs a stock opteron 248...
MarkFW is just asking for it...
The P4EE benefits enormously from extra cpu bandwidth and increased clockspeeds, sandra is a crappy bench to begin with, there was a site a year or so ago that posted their duron 800mhz @ 114GHZ benches from sandra :brokenheart:
MarkFW is just asking for it...
The P4EE benefits enormously from extra cpu bandwidth and increased clockspeeds, sandra is a crappy bench to begin with, there was a site a year or so ago that posted their duron 800mhz @ 114GHZ benches from sandra :brokenheart:
Felix, nice job. I'm sure my question got lost in a sea of crap
But does that 2meg of L3 feel any different in the real world? Have you noticed any snappier feel that benchmarks really don't show?
But does that 2meg of L3 feel any different in the real world? Have you noticed any snappier feel that benchmarks really don't show?
That's what I am curious about, too. Is there a different "feel" to using an EE compared to a normal, P4C?
Btw, nice chip.
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Originally posted by: TStep
Felix, nice job. I'm sure my question got lost in a sea of crap
But does that 2meg of L3 feel any different in the real world? Have you noticed any snappier feel that benchmarks really don't show?
Well its almost the same, but when you need it, that extra cache kicks in during encoding/multitasking etc.
POS... sorry man you just wasted a crapload of money for very little concrete performance..
high end A64s and FXs kick the crap outa that EE pos =P
high end A64s and FXs kick the crap outa that EE pos =P
Nice job Felix! Can you edge out an additional 90mhz outta your cpu so you could just call it 4ghz? That would be some bragging rights, esp on air cooling. :beer:
OK...I see you are the same sh^t-talkin moron as I remember....
You are comparing a dual system to a single cpu system (regardless of HT).....One 248 which would be comparable to a 148 would only get a 8800 dry and 3468 sse2.....So again why the comarison and what in the hell point are you making????
Nice overclock nonetheless.....
The AMD crowd crapped on another thread and took a thread that was about the extreme versus a prescott and not against any amd chip. You people seem to have little mans disease or something and feel you need to justify your purchasing in lfe by repeatedly blasting everyone with a different purchase....
I for one have stayed out of flame wars and this site as of late because of members like mark!!!
One other thing!!!!
Wupdy Doooooo
I bet I can compare my machine to yours in apps not SMP capable and then I can blast you when my much cheaper 180 dollar chip smokes or equals yours. Cause with your logic your machine needs to do like 8x better since you likely paid 8x the cost with two chips versus mine..... But you live in you synthetic world.
Markfw
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Do you have a freakin brain ? those benches only work on one cpu, so yes, I wipe the floor with the P4EE.... Anyway, I won't be posting anymore in this thread, since idiots like you don't understand what MOST OF THE BENCHMARKS IN THE WORLD SAY and that is that the P4 is loosing today in almost everybenchmark to the Athlon64. Read Anands article......
I was only trying to educate this person, but obviously he has as much brains as you, buying a P4EE. Whatever, if you like to waste money I DONT CARE......
Steeplerot
Lifer
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[threadcrap] I do wish I had a P4ee though I could really use it,
For Ebay!
[threadcrap/]
actually I would use it -I couldn't resist the speed, and not even having to OC..
For Ebay!
[threadcrap/]
actually I would use it -I couldn't resist the speed, and not even having to OC..
Sh** I leave for a couple of moths due to this type of ignorant posting instead of sensible comparisons, come back and the same sh** is still going on but worse. I gave the option many of times for anyone to come to my house and compare their system/s and mine but NO ONE would come! It's all about GAMING numbers here at AT and not what really counts to most people/consumers.
The ones that need to jusyify their buys are the P4 owners. We all know that P4EE is Extremely Expensive, and is not the best performer out there. We are just saying that the benchmarks results with the overclocked P4EE are not impressive to Athlon 64 owners because we can get better scores with our CHEAPER processors. Sorry:laugh:
still, we shouldnt flame someone because they have the money and wants to get something most of us would find stupid. people have their likes and they work for their money to get what they want. the least we can do is not talk crap on him for it and to not make him feel like an idiot.
My las post in this stupid thread.
Do you like superman he!
I understand common people buy the crap they see in TV, but this is a high tech forum, and we must teach the people about their mistakes. And there is no doubt that buying a P4 EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE is a huge mistake, because it is the most expensive desktop processor in the world, but it isn't the best performer. When you pay a lot of money you always expect to have the best, but with the Extremely Expensive you won't.
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You have to know the guys post history... he gets them *somewhere* cheap. This is the same guy thats had a few engineering samples go through his hands.
Everyone has to chest pound and voice their opinion rather than actually read
You gonna get any more benchies felix?
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