Please help with build

rabism7

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Hello all. I come to you for help with a build that I've thrown together. Please let me know any inefficiencies that you find. Thanks in advance.

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115055
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813135093
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814129113
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231166
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817702010

I'm hoping to use this rig as a gaming machine, but I'm trying to keep costs as low as possible. I'm hesitant to purchase anything without consulting people more savvy than I am. Please help =)
 

Lunyone

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Generally it isn't too bad of a setup. I have a few questions though:
* Did you have a budget for this build?
* What parts are you adding to this build?
* What resolution are you going to be gaming under?

Other thoughts:
* The q8200 is a good CPU, but isn't usually the best CPU for gaming. You can get this instead:
$119 shipped! Is clocked at 2.8 gHz and can OC pretty good, if you want to do that.
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
* If you want a quad core on a budget, I'd suggest this CPU:
$99 shipped and runs at 2.6 gHz (2.33 gHz is where the q8200 is at)
AMD Athlon II X4 620 Propus 2.6GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor - Retail
* If you add a $80 mobo to the AMD Athlon II x4 620 CPU you would be saving ~$70 over your initial selection. That extra savings can be put into whatever part or can just be saved.
$80 shipped and has quite a few options too.
GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
* Obviously if your gaming you don't need a quad core, so you can adjust your budget or options depending on what you want to do. Even a dual core CPU will work fine for most gaming.
For $162 shipped, there is the AMD PhII x2 550 Black Edition CPU (3.1 gHz) and Gigabyte mobo combo that you might want to consider.
AMD PhII x2 550/Gigabyte 785g mobo combo.

I don't know which way you want to go, but if you answer the questions above, we can help you with your build.
 

rabism7

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Thanks so much for the quick response!

As for your questions:
1) I don't really have a budget for the build, just trying to get the most bang for my buck I suppose.

2) Well, I have a $30 case in mind, and am just going to go with a cheap DVD drive (not a burner). Also am going to have a 320 GB hard drive. I would've included these parts in the previous post, but I just assumed that they are less important for the overall purpose of my build.

3) My current plan is to hook up the computer to my HDTV. It's a 26" Visio and can go up to 1080i , but I'll probably stick with 720p or maybe even less if that's too high for a good framerate. Overall I just thought it would be a nice money saving strategy to use a TV that I currently own, rather than purchasing a new monitor.

And about your suggestions:

Thank you for the CPU help. I've never purchased an AMD processor before. I know that Intel processors come with the heatsink and thermal paste already put together. How hard is that process if I were to get an AMD cpu? Is it something that is easily messed up?

Also, you suggested a micro ATX motherboard. Would you suggest getting a micro ATX case to go with it? Also, I was looking around newegg and couldn't seem to find a PSU that would fit a micro ATX case that was powerful enough for a decent price, but perhaps I was just looking in the wrong place.

Thanks again for your help, and I'm looking forward to your reply.
 

Blain

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Help us to help you brother...

PLEASE when you POST threads asking for input on system builds tell us...

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

8. What resolution YOU plan on gaming with.

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?


The above information IS NEEDED, in order that WE can help YOU make wise judgments on YOUR purchases :laugh:
 

rabism7

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My apologies for not following the template earlier.

1. My PC will be used for gaming.

2. I don't necessarily have a budget. Was hoping for something around $600-$700 though.

3. USA

4. I have absolutely no brand preference. I would like to know the increase in difficulty for using an AMD processor though. I hear that you have to apply your own thermal paste (something I've never done)

5. The only part I intend to use of my own is a 26" Visio HDTV

6. I've read many threads on different forums about gaming builds, but haven't seen a thread about a budget gaming build in a while.

7. I do NOT plan on OC'ing. I never have before, but I may experiment with it (Only reason I'd want to OC is if the default speeds aren't doing the job for gaming)

8. I plan on running it on my HDTV, so I suppose at 720p. I'm not exactly sure what resolution that is.

9. Anytime in the near future. I'm going to get a 64-bit version of Windows 7 when it comes out and hope to put that on it.

Sorry I didn't give all of this info before.
 

Stiffy

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rabism7

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Stiffy, thanks for your suggestions.

I agree with you that the CPU and mobo combo is probably the best deal that I'm going to get right now. I also agree that the RAM you picked out is better than mine, although I don't exactly know how much better DDR3 is than DDR2 / If it's worth the extra $20. (My guess is that it is worth the extra money, but I would like a second opinion just to make sure =))

One concern that I have is with the video card you picked out. It says that it has an HDMI output, but only with an adapter. This brings up another question for anyone who can answer it. Would it be better to hook my PC up to my HDTV by HDMI or DVI?

One more question, do you think that the extra 100W from the PSU is really worth an 100% increase in price? Saving $50 and sticking with the 550W would really help my wallet.

Thanks again.
 

krnmastersgt

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Originally posted by: rabism7
Stiffy, thanks for your suggestions.

I agree with you that the CPU and mobo combo is probably the best deal that I'm going to get right now. I also agree that the RAM you picked out is better than mine, although I don't exactly know how much better DDR3 is than DDR2 / If it's worth the extra $20. (My guess is that it is worth the extra money, but I would like a second opinion just to make sure =))

DDR3 is just the DDR2 for modern-gen motherboards and such, however DDR2 is still quite strong, but you won't notice any real performance differences (not yet at least). However if you are going to game, there are stronger choices in processor you could go with, namely the Intel dual cores, an E7xxx would probably suit your price bracket, coupled with a board like this Foxconn G31 can give you pretty strong combo, or for the same price as the linked combo from Stiffy you could go up to an E8400 or so.

One concern that I have is with the video card you picked out. It says that it has an HDMI output, but only with an adapter. This brings up another question for anyone who can answer it. Would it be better to hook my PC up to my HDTV by HDMI or DVI?

You shouldn't be able to see much of a difference between the two, aside from HDMI carrying the audio output in the same line (though I've heard most cards are terrible at it).

Another issue to consider would be your case, a $30 case is fine in a lot of situations, however the card you chose is known to be quite a hot one. The Radeon 4000 series of cards, and indeed almost all modern gen cards, put out quite a large amount of heat. If the case you buy doesn't have a good airflow design behind it, since the XFX 4870 that even I was going to suggest will cause some serious problems since all the heat just disperses into the case. Look into some way to divert the hot air out of the case, or just have a front mounted fan for intake, and a rear mounted for exhaust to prevent the majority of the heat reaching your cpu/memory.


One more question, do you think that the extra 100W from the PSU is really worth an 100% increase in price? Saving $50 and sticking with the 550W would really help my wallet.

Now this is where it gets important, PSUs aren't as simple as video cards in that they're all made from the same place and packaged at different facilities for different companies. The components and their quality differ between PSUs quite a lot actually, and a bad/faulty/poorly made PSU can essentially kill your whole system if it decides to act up, since the components in your system don't have measures to really counteract a sudden and powerful spike.

Quality should be your number one concern, and on top of that a well made 400w PSU should be more than enough to power your whole system, look into Seasonic or the Corsair Memory PSUs (several were made by Seasonic). Now MANY of the PSUs sold will be just fine, and people rarely push their PSUs to the limit, but a $50 investment now might save the several hundred you put into the rest of the system, so it's a good idea not to skimp on it. The BFG one you chose though, since BFG did put their name on it, I'm assuming should be fine if you so choose to use it.


Thanks again.

 

rabism7

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Sep 23, 2009
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Hey all. I just wanted to say thanks again for all the advice. Here is an updated list of parts I plan on getting at the moment. As always, suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129042

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136098

XFX HD-487A-ZWFC Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150436

Sony Optiarc Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1678A - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827131061

BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.8 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817702010

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231166

Then the CPU and Mobo are a combo deal:
AMD Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Black Processor Model HDZ720WFGIBOX - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?ItemList=Combo.259850

GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?ItemList=Combo.259850

It all comes to the nice total of 590 before shipping.

 

rabism7

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Sep 23, 2009
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In addition to any more suggestions on my build, does anyone here know of a good wireless adapter to use for internet access for my soon-to-be computer? I don't have an ethernet port anywhere near where I want to put the computer. Thanks.
 

GLeeM

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
this is a pretty good wireless adaptor.

I wonder if this is where he tried: this

EDIT: I seem to be having trouble too :confused:

Copy and paste this:

*****/wireless-mini-usb-2-pen-drive-adapter---p-33917.aspx

Second EDIT: not much luck with that either :(

*****/wireless-mini-usb-2-pen-drive-adapter---p-33917.aspx

Third EDIT: Yikes! it won't let the meritline dot com stay. Just google "p-33917.aspx".
 

rabism7

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Sep 23, 2009
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Thanks for the help with the link! Looks like a very well rated budget adapter. I just purchased it!
 

rabism7

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Sep 23, 2009
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ahhhh thanks so much jae. I just contacted newegg and voided my previous order, and will trying ordering again with the correct bundle later today. you're a life saver man, I would've hated to get all my parts and not have things work out. thanks again.