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Please help this lost gaming soul on Christmas day!

TheNiceGuy

Golden Member
You kind soul! thank you for coming in! Sit down by my fire and let me tell you a tale.
OK. My story. I have an AMD Athlon 2100+ Fujitsu CE21C desktop PC here in Japan that I got deceived into buying last year. I wanted a good gaming PC that could run any new game now with the potential for upgradeability, and made this very clear to the sales staff. I was assured this was the cats meow, bought it, and by the time the return policy expired, had found out why I couldn't play certain games. It has a PCI slot, as in PCI-NOEXPRESS, for video. Not only that, but the monitor plug has been fvcked with so it will only work on other Fujitsus of simular design. I was very upset. (And whenever I think now about it, I get upset again!) So I did a bit of research. I bought a new monitor and PCI video card and 512MB RAM. I have been using this since. As you can imagine, I'm getting about 1 fps in some spots of BFV and other favourite games. So I did some more reseach. I have decided to build a new system. I wanted to have it ordered Dec. 1st, and fiddle around with it during my holidays. I have become bogged down in research (benchmarks, real world performance, reviewer vs retail hardware, fps, availability, mhz, SATA II, RAID 0, CL timings and Winchester cores, compatable RAM, fan dB, and on and on and on)and "what if"s, "wait! new tech just over the hill!"s, and "don't listen to that guy! You'll regrete it later. Get this!"s. It is now Christmas day, and I have not ordered anything yet. And my eyes and fingers hurt from doing so much asking around and research. I just found this forum a few days ago, and while it is great, I don't know if I can handle reading for another couple of months through all the archives and cross referencing it and trying to search in japanese here if i can get parts, etc,etc,etc. I'm going bonkers! I just want to buy my system and get on with it!

So. Let me start again. I just want to- *MY GOAL* -play new games without hassle, down/upload a lot of stuff, burn CD/DVDs, and work a little bit with apps like Photoshop and Soundforge (nothing crazy here), while saving as much $ as possible. What will help me do this?
I decided against OCing, as my motive is to save money (seems like the expense [proper PSU/cooling/case/shorter parts life] and risk [negates warranty/could 'meltdown'/mabey very limited OC despite doing it right]of OCing negate any savings).
Of course, I would like to have the potential to upgrade in the relatively uncertain future (who knows what is really 'upgradable'?) if possible to , again, fulfill *MY GOAL*.
Anyway, the system I am now considering getting to fulfill *MY GOAL* is this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...7&threadid=1473243

Please help if you can.
I want to get on with this.

And if I seem too cautious, I am. I still remember the horrible fealing of getting burned BIG TIME on the Fujitsu. And all that stuff I bought to upgrade it is almost garbage now (ie 2100 RAM).

 
A your PC was decent enough a year ago when you bought it.

B upgradable means nothing, we all upgrade the whole wad every now and again

C concentrade on getting a decent Athlon 64 board and CPU and a dencent video card

D dont worry about SATA 2 and Raid etc ...these are not needed for an excellent PC

E OCing is the way to go, Athlon 64s are practially begging to be OCed...no harm it this whatsoever as long as you keep things cool.
 
I think you should consider getting a cheaper mobo (e.g. nf3 or kt800pro) in exchange for a better Video Card or even a faster CPU!! PCI-X doesn't really give extra performance over AGP especially if you are stuck with a 6600.
 
thanks guys.
How about the drives? 2 or 3? If I put the OS only on one drive, and everything else on the other one(s), will this be the fastest setup? Or should the programs be on the OS drive for best speed?
PSU?
 
i think SLI sounds like a rip off too. I was gonna buy my whole system tommorow but then I got to thinking. pay 260 cdn for the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe, then in the future get a minimal graphics boost for another 200 bucks.. in total around 700+ dollars for 6600 GTs on SLI, which IS NOT WORTH THAT. so instead im gonna wait a few more weeks for the normal A8N (or any good sounding nForce 4 mobo) to be available to me (canada, no newegg 🙁) and I'm gonna get an ATI X800 XL for about 400-500 in total, which is just as good or better then 2 6600 GTs AND gives me more room to upgrade in the future. this whole system will cost around 1400 cdn after tax.
 
Originally posted by: pjwinkler
i think SLI sounds like a rip off too. I was gonna buy my whole system tommorow but then I got to thinking. pay 260 cdn for the ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe, then in the future get a minimal graphics boost for another 200 bucks.. in total around 700+ dollars for 6600 GTs on SLI, which IS NOT WORTH THAT. so instead im gonna wait a few more weeks for the normal A8N (or any good sounding nForce 4 mobo) to be available to me (canada, no newegg 🙁) and I'm gonna get an ATI X800 XL for about 400-500 in total, which is just as good or better then 2 6600 GTs AND gives me more room to upgrade in the future. this whole system will cost around 1400 cdn after tax.

Outta curiosity, why does an X800 XL give you more room to upgrade in the future? You mean because you expect to sell it for more down the road than the two other cards?
 
yeh, what i mean is if i had one 6600 GT on the sli board i'd sort of want to upgrade to sli since that would be the cheapest upgrade available. But for the money i would have spent in the end its just not worth it. seems like having one video card is the best way to go.
 
Originally posted by: pjwinkler
yeh, what i mean is if i had one 6600 GT on the sli board i'd sort of want to upgrade to sli since that would be the cheapest upgrade available. But for the money i would have spent in the end its just not worth it. seems like having one video card is the best way to go.

you'd be wrong - the residual value of the two 6600gt's should still be worth more than a atix800xl but if you're an ati fanboy the'res not much I can do about that

btw, I think SLI was invented for the 6800 (pro) type cards and having the 6600 SLI also is just a bonus, yes the performance isnt brilliant but getting 6600gt SLI right now is not the best option anyways -- eg. 6800gt is probably better
 
Originally posted by: xsilver
Originally posted by: pjwinkler
yeh, what i mean is if i had one 6600 GT on the sli board i'd sort of want to upgrade to sli since that would be the cheapest upgrade available. But for the money i would have spent in the end its just not worth it. seems like having one video card is the best way to go.

you'd be wrong - the residual value of the two 6600gt's should still be worth more than a atix800xl but if you're an ati fanboy the'res not much I can do about that

btw, I think SLI was invented for the 6800 (pro) type cards and having the 6600 SLI also is just a bonus, yes the performance isnt brilliant but getting 6600gt SLI right now is not the best option anyways -- eg. 6800gt is probably better

Right. My point was that buying two 6600GTs for SLI now would be silly, since it would basically negate the dual-upgrade-later selling point of SLI. It'd be pretty similar to buying a single ATI card that's about as capable and having to ditch the whole purchase later for an upgrade.

Now, imagine spending $400 on a 6800GT now, and $225 or less on a second one in nine months... THAT's a good deal. Use that for a while, and both cards will still have some residual value; sell them both and start again.
 
Look into the chaintech nf4 its over at newegg for like 130 bucks. Not bad at all and nf4.
Its 939 so grab an A64 .90 939. I like the 3200+'s price point right now. Monarch has the best cpu prices.
Grab an XP-90 and panaflo 92 mm fan for heatsink/fan. See sidewinder for this as newegg is way too high.
It has pci-exress so you will have all the latest tech minus sli.
Get a big PATA/EIDE drive. Seagate has a nice warranty so a 120 gig or 160 gig drive is nice.
If you're not an overclocker and don't plan to become one then 1 gig(2x512)Corsair Value Memory will do nicely. PC3200.
If you have a bit more money and wanna OC then get the PDP systems w/XBL like 230 bucks shipped at the egg.

PCI-E vid card a offer great value in the GT lines. 6600 or 6800. 6800 is better and costs more so let your budget decide.
Either will be a huge upgrade. Just shop around for a good price at a good retailer or reseller. Newegg should be stop 1.


The NEC 3500a is a nice dvd burner with dual layer technology so you can burn dvd5 or 9.
Sennheiser makes awesome headphones. Choose the ones that fit ears and sound best.
If you want speakers there are any number of options in various pricepoints. I listen through headphones so that wopuld be best asked to someone else.
On board sound should be fine BUT if you want to grab a 90 dollar Audigy Gamer you can get like 4 or 5 full games.

 
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