Please help my friend decide if to ditch his AMD 760K quad core for a Celeron

[john5220]

Hi a few months ago my good friend bought a 760K AMD and a $40 Gigabyte mainboard, now windows 10 is being offered for free to those with pirated copies of windows 7 who cannot apply for an upgrade.

Its some sort of test preview build or something like that, you can get free if you don't have a legit copy of windows 7. I have no idea how this build will be different from other builds but microsoft says this offer lasts till 1st October.

He how is in a dilemma, you see to change OS, Mainboards etc is a real pain in the ass of someone who wants to build a system once every 7 years etc. So I was thinking maybe he should get a $43 haswell Celeron and a $53 asus main board with all solid caps. As it will provide for an upgrade path in the future.

BUT you see, with DX 12, it promises to put less load on the CPU and even then utilize multi threading properly for games. So his 760K Athlon quad core now seems like much better keep than worrying about getting the intel setup to then upgrade to a i5 or i7 years into the future.

What do you guys think? that 760K Athlon will last a 7 years with the promises of DX 12? That 760K athlon is actually $75 whereas the celeron is $43.

Now if AMD had plans for say a 6 core FM2+ CPU in future would be a different case but I am not sure if AMD is going to just outright abandon the Fm2+ platform, its the main reason I abandoned AMD as a CPU manufacturer and I only trusts intel now.

 

[john5220]

For those who say intel change sockets like they change underwear while I agree with you, the thing about it is, those people who bought a Sandy Bridge i5 or i7 has absolutely no reason to upgrade, those chips are going to last 15 to 20 years easily. Especially with the slow pace of CPU tech these days the only thing you may benefit from buying latest intel CPU is lower power usage, better Integrated Graphics processing but thats about it, the benefits are useless to most people, you see intel has an upgrade path while AMD does not.

And with new games using DX 12 soon less load on the CPU, and better multi threading use across the board, an i5 or i7 sandy bridge can last even longer into the future. So really chosing intel regardless of how outdated it is, always has an upgrade path.

infact those QX 9700 intel quad core chips from the DDR 2 days are better than anything AMD currently has to offer this just goes to show you how legendary intel is and how incompetent AMD is which is why I wanted to suggest to him to get the celeron but will be a bit pointless for him if DX 12 really does reduce CPU load and spreads the load for much better multi core processing

His 760K would actually be way more attractive than the celeron if this was to happen

Infact I would guess his 760K Athlon would match a G3258 Pentium at 4.5 GHZ if DX 12 really does properly use multi core.

 

[dark zero]

Wait... a 760 K for a CELERON?
If it were at LEAST the Pentium K or a Core i3, I would say change it, but not with that

 

[john5220]

Wait... a 760 K for a CELERON?
If it were at LEAST the Pentium K or a Core i3, I would say change it, but not with that

ok thanks I figured the celeron haswell would be a better chip for gaming than the 760K. Cause really I don't trust AMD that chip don't even have L3 cache though I don't know how much cache even helps these chips compared to intel

I think that 760K is like a bulldozer really.

I guess he could hold onto the board and chip and in future if he needs a CPU upgrade he might be in luck if AMD releases a upgrade chip to the FM2+ socket? maybe we might even see a 960K Athlon Excavator? since we have not yet seen the promised Excavator CPU for the Fm2+

I would atleast expect AMD to release a final chip for the Fm2+ in 2016. I mean if the Caziro chip is the final desktop offering from AMD for Fm2+ then they really are pathetic cause that chip isn't even a proper upgrade to speed.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Definitely keep a 760k in preference to a celeron for gaming. 760k would be a toss up compared to an overclocked G3258 depending on the game, but it is definitely better than a celeron.

 

[dark zero]

Definitely keep a 760k in preference to a celeron for gaming. 760k would be a toss up compared to an overclocked G3258 depending on the game, but it is definitely better than a celeron.

Even in newer games the X4 chips are getting a better aging than the Dual Cores.

 

[MountainKing]

I don't get the pirated part of the OP??

 

[richierich1212]

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/15/8613591/windows-10-no-free-upgrade-for-pirates

I thought Microsoft isn't giving away Win 10 for free to pirated windows users??

 

[john5220]

http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/15/8613591/windows-10-no-free-upgrade-for-pirates

I thought Microsoft isn't giving away Win 10 for free to pirated windows users??

Yes they are!!!

All pirates will be given 1 free copy of windows 10 the offer expires october 1st. As you can see in the link i should make a thread about this and let others know?

http://www.techradar.com/news/softw...ndows-10-for-free-and-keep-it-forever-1297836

 

[eton975]

G1840 might have in edge in only singlethreaded games, but you copuld just OC the 760K.

 

[LTC8K6]

Do we really know how current CPUs will perform with Win10 and DX12?

I suspect it's a safe bet that dual cores will begin to fall behind, and that some older tech CPUs may begin to struggle.

I don't think there is a desktop Broadwell or Skylake i3.

 

[TheELF]

but will be a bit pointless for him if DX 12 really does reduce CPU load and spreads the load for much better multi core processing

You have to keep in mind that this is only about the graphics,the real problem for amd's processors is running the game logic/engine and dx12 will not change anything for that,games will still need single thread speed to run games faster,dx12 will just make it possible to get better fps whenever there is more downtime for the cpu,any cpu.

 

[gorion]

What do you guys think? that 760K Athlon will last a 7 years with the promises of DX 12? That 760K athlon is actually $75 whereas the celeron is $43.

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What's the point in spending more money now for a new MB and a new CPU?
Just keep the X4 until the performance is not good enough for what he wants to do and spend the money in new MB+CPU at that point.

DX 12 or not the celeron is not going to offer a significant boost in performance compared to the X4.

And no, i don't think any of the 2 will last 7 years

 

[sm625]

For those who say intel change sockets like they change underwear while I agree with you, the thing about it is, those people who bought a Sandy Bridge i5 or i7 has absolutely no reason to upgrade, those chips are going to last 15 to 20 years easily.

Let's not get carried away now.... In 20 years I doubt we'll be seeing too many Sandy Bridge i5 systems in use. Not when you can buy a $100* smartphone with 10 TFlops of computing power.

* That's $100 dollars in 2035 dollars, which is probably $50 in today's money.

 

[TheELF]

Not when you can buy a $100* smartphone with 10 TFlops of computing power.

Will this be running on an mr.fusion?

The way cpu speeds evolve,which is almost not at all,it's hard to believe that we will have even desktop cpus with 10Tflops in 20 years.
Sure intel makes their cpus smaller faster and needing less power all the time but the pace is really slow.

 

[stockwiz]

I'd get the 8320 for $130 if you're gonna upgrade but you need a board that has a 970 or 990X chipset and heatsinks on the VRMs otherwise you'll run the VRMs really hot and potentially burn them out fast. Also some boards require bios flashes to recognize the 8320. You'll also want an aftermarket heatsink... the cooler master hyper 212 evo should suffice.




NO celerons, no dual cores. 4 core minimum with 8 threads preferable here in 2015. Inspired by another thread I might build a couple of budget 8320 builds for some relatives.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9494388&CatId=11857

FX-8310 is a bit of a bargain if you aren't worried about max overclocks.

 

[dark zero]

Fx 8310 is the lowest tier gaming processor avaliable and it's pretty decent, it's similar with the i5 2500k in performance, but with Skylake I can't see Future for both monsters.

 

[TheELF]

NO celerons, no dual cores. 4 core minimum with 8 threads preferable here in 2015.

Well here in 2015 noone should get a cpu with 2008 core speeds,no matter how many cores it has.

https://www.amd.com/Documents/Cores_vs_Threads_Whitepaper.pdf

Individual core performance of both AMD processors in Maxon® Cinebench™
and Persistence of Vision Raytracer ® (POV-Ray) is calculated by dividing
the total score of each benchmark by the number of physical cores contained
on the processor used.

8320 best O/C cine 15 score, 991/8=123
http://hwbot.org/submission/2551935_tiborrr_cinebench___r15_fx_8320_991_cb

q9650 best O/C score, 523/4=130
http://hwbot.org/submission/2678067_polroger_cinebench___r15_core_2_q9650_(3ghz)_523_cb

 

[waltchan]

Let's not get carried away now.... In 20 years I doubt we'll be seeing too many Sandy Bridge i5 systems in use. Not when you can buy a $100* smartphone with 10 TFlops of computing power.

* That's $100 dollars in 2035 dollars, which is probably $50 in today's money.

Windows 10 is the last and final OS Microsoft will release, so Sandy Bridge is good for 20 years.

 

[sm625]

Will this be running on an mr.fusion?

It just might. Some form of LENR is entirely possible. Probably not banana peels, but more likely some form of nickel-based fuel catridges that have to be replaced every 6 months.

The way cpu speeds evolve,which is almost not at all,it's hard to believe that we will have even desktop cpus with 10Tflops in 20 years.
Sure intel makes their cpus smaller faster and needing less power all the time but the pace is really slow.

The 10TFlops number assumes a great deal of GPU compute. Pure CPU power may have leveled off, but graphics power has shown no signs of slowing down.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Fx 8310 is the lowest tier gaming processor avaliable and it's pretty decent, it's similar with the i5 2500k in performance, but with Skylake I can't see Future for both monsters.

So much misinformation in this thread, not only this post.

In any case, FX8310 is a decent bargain, but it is no where close to 2500K in gaming performance, stock vs stock or when both are overclocked. In fact Sandy Bridge is a great overclocker, and with both max overclocked, the gap would probably actually widen.

Overall an i3, even though it is a dual core, would also be faster than the 8310 in a lot of games, and use about 1/3 or less the power. In fact an i3 trades blows with 8350 which is clocked considerably faster than 8310, depending on the game.

 

[TheELF]

The 10TFlops number assumes a great deal of GPU compute. Pure CPU power may have leveled off, but graphics power has shown no signs of slowing down.

Yeah but that's just games,not that that's something bad,but all that hype about gpu computing has no relation to the common user,you have to be a professional of some kind to ever run such a program.
But I guess playing VR in 4k(prob. higher) on the go would be pretty nice.

 

[Abwx]

8350 which is clocked considerably faster than 8310, depending on the game.

It trades blows only in lightly threaded apps, otherwise an i3 is not much more than half a FX83xx depending on the frequency...

Otherwise ST perf between a 8350 and a 8310, if this is games you have in mind, should be quite low.

Best choice in this serie is the 8320E (at least in Europe it s the cheapest 8C).

 

[Burpo]

Do we really know how current CPUs will perform with Win10 and DX12?

Been running Windows 10 since 1st day of Beta release on an Acer w/AMD Athlon 64 x2 4400 & 3Gb of ram.. Revived that old PC, and it's being used in back bedroom right now. Smooth as butter I love 10!