Mani
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I just saw the movie tonight, so I'll throw in my 2c.
What's scary to me is not the ideals set forth in the movie, but rather that conservatives everywhere see enough similarity between the fascism presented in the movie and their own ideology to come out in droves protesting the portrayal of it, attempting to scare people out of seeing it.
The fact that the OP felt so threatened by the movie that wrote a novel pleading with people not to see it says it all. Dude, if you really are the free thinking, open-minded person you claim to be, you should be encouraging with people seeing this movie to come to their own conclusions about it. Instead, you saw what you wanted to see in it and decided that your colored glasses should be worn by everyone. What arrogance.
What's scary to me is not the ideals set forth in the movie, but rather that conservatives everywhere see enough similarity between the fascism presented in the movie and their own ideology to come out in droves protesting the portrayal of it, attempting to scare people out of seeing it.
The fact that the OP felt so threatened by the movie that wrote a novel pleading with people not to see it says it all. Dude, if you really are the free thinking, open-minded person you claim to be, you should be encouraging with people seeing this movie to come to their own conclusions about it. Instead, you saw what you wanted to see in it and decided that your colored glasses should be worn by everyone. What arrogance.
Kerouactivist
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oh come on... yakitty sax people!
that's right... there's a benny hill throw back in the movie.
the movie more anti-bra and pro JVC than anything
hehehe. Oh what a world to live in where everyone watches through LCD televisions and everyone has 4 dell monitors at their workplace. Eh, it's a small price to pay... ya know... it's just freedom.
anyone know what kind of cell phones they were using? they looked like remote controls.
that's right... there's a benny hill throw back in the movie.
the movie more anti-bra and pro JVC than anything
hehehe. Oh what a world to live in where everyone watches through LCD televisions and everyone has 4 dell monitors at their workplace. Eh, it's a small price to pay... ya know... it's just freedom. anyone know what kind of cell phones they were using? they looked like remote controls.
sorry I skipped most of the comments. I personally enjoyed the movie. Very few movies these days are thought provoking. In this movie they touch on another great movie "Count of Monte Cristo". Actually taking the political and religious views provided in this movie serious is like saying that Michael Moore's views are absolutely correct.
A wise man once said....
"if somethign makes more sense than dollars, then you are probably a republican."
I find that statement to hold more true as days go by when I read shat like this on computer forums.
"if somethign makes more sense than dollars, then you are probably a republican."
I find that statement to hold more true as days go by when I read shat like this on computer forums.
eits
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I have NOT read this entire thread. Just FYI in case I repeat something others have said.
I saw the movie Friday night before I even knew this thread existed. The rather obvious direction that the movie was trying to steer people in (Christians bad and hateful, Muslims just poor victims, America the cause of a virtual WWIII, homosexuals just poor victims, conservatives = evil, hey audience, we're actually showing you the future of Bush.... etc) made me irritated, but I enjoyed the movie overall. I just tried to ignore the rhetoric and enjoy the "general" plot (good against evil, freedom against repression).
One thing I did find weird was that "V" found it alright to torture if it ended in creating an enemy of those who torture. Rather blind.
This type of "turn the tables" morality isn't rare... it's just usually done like in this movie where it's so "in your face" that you just see it for what it is and reject it. Probably the best use of this sort of social statement I've seen was on a Star Trek:The Next Generation, where there was a species of androgynous beings, but every so often one would be born with either male or female inclinations. In the end, one of them (who is a secret woman) falls in love with Riker... she's found out by here race and is forced to go through some process to "fix" her so that she is truly androgynous. It was done well and I felt outrage for the situation... but it wasn't until after the show that I realized that they were making a statement about homosexuality! The subtlety they used was MUCH more effective than the blatancy of "V".
I would put this movie fairly high for entertainment, but would put it pretty low for being a Fahrenheit 911 in action/adventure's clothing.
Joe
I saw the movie Friday night before I even knew this thread existed. The rather obvious direction that the movie was trying to steer people in (Christians bad and hateful, Muslims just poor victims, America the cause of a virtual WWIII, homosexuals just poor victims, conservatives = evil, hey audience, we're actually showing you the future of Bush.... etc) made me irritated, but I enjoyed the movie overall. I just tried to ignore the rhetoric and enjoy the "general" plot (good against evil, freedom against repression).
One thing I did find weird was that "V" found it alright to torture if it ended in creating an enemy of those who torture. Rather blind.
This type of "turn the tables" morality isn't rare... it's just usually done like in this movie where it's so "in your face" that you just see it for what it is and reject it. Probably the best use of this sort of social statement I've seen was on a Star Trek:The Next Generation, where there was a species of androgynous beings, but every so often one would be born with either male or female inclinations. In the end, one of them (who is a secret woman) falls in love with Riker... she's found out by here race and is forced to go through some process to "fix" her so that she is truly androgynous. It was done well and I felt outrage for the situation... but it wasn't until after the show that I realized that they were making a statement about homosexuality! The subtlety they used was MUCH more effective than the blatancy of "V".
I would put this movie fairly high for entertainment, but would put it pretty low for being a Fahrenheit 911 in action/adventure's clothing.
Joe
Hmmmm.... it sounds like you're a fairly prejudicial person, throwing out a stereotype like that. Are all Blacks hiphoppers? Are all White's members of the KKK? Are all Muslim's terrorists?
If the above statements aren't true, then perhaps you should soften your statement a bit... maybe SOME parts of the religious right would do those things. I'm part of that political group, and yet there are people I'd call friends who are gay, so what's your point? There are also some radical extremeists in the homosexual movement that would want all sorts of things that many would consider bad, but that doesn't mean we should take that sub-group and define the entire group by its behavior.
Also, since when did the phrase "disagree with" become equal to the word "hate". I disagree with Muslim terrorists, but even them I don't "hate". Quite the opposite, I pray that they would have a change of heart and mind and turn away from what they are doing. So let's ask the question... if I want terrorists not to be killed, but to be delivered from their rage and killing, does that mean that I "hate" them according to your dictionary? I also don't agree with the vegan lifestyle but that doesn't mean that I want to hold them down and make them wear animal skins and eat meat... it just means that I don't agree with its philosophies... so in your book, does that mean I must "hate" vegans too... even though I have vegan friends?
Seems to me, that you want to put Christian Conservatives into a neat little box and label them a certain way. I tend to call that sort of behavior bigotry... and though I disagree with that behavior, and maybe even HATE it, I certainly don't harbor any hatred towards you even though it looks like you partake of said behavior. This is known as hating the sin but loving the sinner, something that everyone should embrace with those things they consider to be "sin" in others.
For those who speak out against prejudice/hatred/bigotry... it's VERY important that you yourself don't portray the same prejudice/hatred/bigotry against those with whom you disagree. Pot calling the kettle black and all that!
Just think about it.
Joe
Steeplerot
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Who did he torture? I never saw that in the movie.
MAJOR SPOILER:::
He did badger his victims, but for example when he killed the genocide laboratory lady she asked him if the poison he secretly gave her was painful and he said no and told her he would accept her apology and sat with her as she died as she showed regret for what she did in her life after handing her a rose believed to be extinct. (his trademark)
V was not exactly a sane guy, he says what was done to him was monstrous and made him a monster.
I still don't get that part.
He tortured natalie portman. Did you miss that scene??
This movie was tripe. Thought provoking? Maybe if you are 12 years old and know nothing about politics. The only thought it provoked in me was whether or not to walk out of the theater and how best to warn people against this garbage.
The wachowski brothers are not subtle enough to deliver a parable about modern politics. And whoever directed this movie (John McTiernan?) is not good at action scenes. All the scenes had that jittery fast-cutting camera effect that totally ruins the action.
So, really stupid and insulting plot, bad action, not even remotely thought-provoking unless you consider being beat over the head with obvious analogies thought-provoking.
If you want to see a thought provoking movie about politics, see Good Night and Good Luck or Syriana. Or even The Constant Gardener. Steer well clear of this filth unless you are totally desperate for dark scenery and jilted action.
[Edit] And no, I don't think people should see this movie to make up their own mind. This is not irreversible, do the right thing, or anything of that calibur. It's a bad movie, plain and simple.
This movie was tripe. Thought provoking? Maybe if you are 12 years old and know nothing about politics. The only thought it provoked in me was whether or not to walk out of the theater and how best to warn people against this garbage.
The wachowski brothers are not subtle enough to deliver a parable about modern politics. And whoever directed this movie (John McTiernan?) is not good at action scenes. All the scenes had that jittery fast-cutting camera effect that totally ruins the action.
So, really stupid and insulting plot, bad action, not even remotely thought-provoking unless you consider being beat over the head with obvious analogies thought-provoking.
If you want to see a thought provoking movie about politics, see Good Night and Good Luck or Syriana. Or even The Constant Gardener. Steer well clear of this filth unless you are totally desperate for dark scenery and jilted action.
[Edit] And no, I don't think people should see this movie to make up their own mind. This is not irreversible, do the right thing, or anything of that calibur. It's a bad movie, plain and simple.
It has a 75% on rotten tomatoes. I have seen MANY more good reviews than bad of it. Stop getting your only review from the Arts section of your paper where only one movie a year gets over 3 stars...
You can watch it, I just wouldn't recommend it. Unless you are the sort of mystery science theater type who likes going to really, really bad movies to make fun of them and laugh at their stupidity.
Joe, I saw the movie Saturday night and I agree with what you posted. "I just tried to ignore the rhetoric and enjoy the "general" plot (good against evil, freedom against repression)" is probably the best response in this whole thread.
To be honest, I didn't find the "we are showing you the future of Bush" as extreme as the conversation around this movie would have you believe. There were some cheap shots, such as the black bags and the gov't listening in on people's private conversations. The black bags make you think prisoner abuse at Guantanamo, which was a serious, sad incident, but hardly supported by our President and definitely not "typical" behavior (as it is in the movie). The gov't listening in on conversations was heavily exaggerated for the movie; gov't agents sitting in a truck spying on people in their homes does equal listening to international calls coming from suspected terrorists. Overall though, I felt there were parallels between the movie's gov't and Nazi Germany, not to the current gov't in the U.S.
I still enjoyed the movie. I think it is great that it makes people talk, and it is an entertaining 2 hour story. Maybe I'm 12 years old and know nothing about politics and/or am a mystery science theatre type, but I liked it, and I don't like it any less b/c someone else didn't like it.
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