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[IcePickFreak]

Heller's life, his scrambled posting about it, our "trolling" his threads in response and, yes, your "outrage" at our "trolling" are, for better or worse, such standard staples of OT that I'm surprised you haven't figured this out yet.

To put it another way, your post is just another tired and predictable cliche moldering away in our tired cliche pile.

Now, watch as a subsequent poster points out that my response to your response to our response to Heller's response to his confused life belongs in the same damn cliche pile.

Can I get a witless?

Lol I totally understand that, hence the "(like that would happen on AT, much less ATOT.)" in my OP. I suppose that it's ironic that I'm to the point I would second guess helping someone out that I don't know and is in dire need of help solely because chances are they're an unsympathetic asshole when they don't need help.

But at least I wouldn't run over to their burning car they're trapped inside of and laugh in their face saying "You really messed up this time asshole!" and then walk away like a real world troll would.

 

[olds]

Lol I totally understand that, hence the "(like that would happen on AT, much less ATOT.)" in my OP. I suppose that it's ironic that I'm to the point I would second guess helping someone out that I don't know and is in dire need of help solely because chances are they're an unsympathetic asshole when they don't need help.

But at least I wouldn't run over to their burning car they're trapped inside of and laugh in their face saying "You really messed up this time asshole!" and then walk away like a real world troll would.

meh. I wouldn't walk away. I'd pee on them first to try and put the fire out.

 

[nick1985]

meh. I wouldn't walk away. I'd pee on them first to try and put the fire out.

Same

 

[surfsatwerk]

meh. I wouldn't walk away. I'd pee on them first to try and put the fire out.

Don't forget to take pics, there's a market for that kind of smut.

 

[Perknose]

Don't forget to take pics, there's a market for that kind of smut.

www.highpressurehose.com

You should see the specialized equipment they feature!

 

[Old Hippie]

United States courts have ruled that inmates, parolees, and probationers cannot be ordered to attend AA. Though AA itself was not deemed a religion, it was ruled that it contained enough religious components to make coerced attendance at AA meetings a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the constitution.[72] In September 2007, United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that a parole office can be sued for ordering a parolee to attend AA.[73][74]

Pretty interesting.

The judges in my area of Ohio routinely add mandatory AA meetings as part of the sentence.

 

[AlienCraft]

She says No, No, No!

MY EYEEEESSSSS IIIIEEEEE!

 

[lxskllr]

MY EYEEEESSSSS IIIIEEEEE!

That girl's a train wreck. I thought she was pretty hot before she went to hell. Now, I'd be concerned breathing the same air in close proximity :^/

 

[Vic Vega]

Rehab won't save your ass. Find a 12 step program, get involved, and work it.

My mother was an RN in a drug rehab clinic for decades. Yes, rehab works, I've seen the people go through the program who were basically near death and/or looking at long prison terms turned into some of the best, most productive and caring people I know.

 

[AlienCraft]

At one time, ordering someone into AA was very common. AFAIK, nowadays, judges merely order a person into a rehab program...usually set up by the defendant and his attorney, and USUALLY agreed to by the DA and the judge.
Successful completion of such a rehab program is generally a condition of probation, and unless you're Lindsay Lohan or some other "I'm too important to obey the law" type of celebrity, failure to complete the program may be enough to trigger a probation hold...and revocation of probation.

I'm here to testify that it does indeed happen. It happened to me and I lived to quit and tell the truth. I went in with an 'Eff YOUUU! and yer higher power bullshit' attitude and after a few weeks of re-programming, I "got it".
NOW, I will say that getting treatment for depression and being on a mix of SSRI's has been a world of difference. I'm digging my medical insurance now!
It seems that doing a lot of coke and speed will burn out one's neurotransmitters and receptors. That manifests itself in strange and peculiar ways.Go figure.



Good Luck, Heller. There is a way out.

 

[BoomerD]

My mother was an RN in a drug rehab clinic for decades. Yes, rehab works, I've seen the people go through the program who were basically near death and/or looking at long prison terms turned into some of the best, most productive and caring people I know.

Rehab CAN work...if the person REALLY wants to quit.

You can't rehab someone who doesn't want to stop using drugs/alcohol.

Like I said earlier, if the person truly wants to quit, rehab programs can be a valuable tool in helping them achieve that goal. Some addict "just say no," and stop using, deal with the withdrawals, and get on with their lives. Others need a bit of counseling to help them with the cravings and psychological part of kicking the habit, while still others have to be in a program that not only helps with counseling, but physically keeps them away from the temptations.
Everyone is different.
For me, I can't seem to quit smoking long-term. I quit for about 18 months after I had my knee surgery, but I was never completely over the cravings, and in a "weak moment," I picked up a smoke...and that was it for me.
IMO, nicotine is one of the hardest drugs to quit. Not only is the physical addiction so difficult for some, but the psychological addiction...the habit of smoking is a tough one to break...PLUS, it's available nearly everywhere, used by people everywhere, and unlike most addictive drugs, doesn't live in a "hidden sub-culture." It's right out in the open...thus increasing the temptation for the nicotine addict.
Yes, there are many addictions that are physically more difficult to break, alcohol and "downers" can have life-threatening withdrawals for some severely addicted people, but IMO, none are more difficult to quit long-term than nicotine.

 

[AlienCraft]

No it doesn't. If I were the guy with 30 million I would happily give heller the money. The fact that so many in here think this is outrageous is what bothers me, but what bothers me most is that you people would rather hate on him than encourage him. He wants to be a better person and the best you can do is give him a good example of what not to be.

Well, there is a grand tradition here on ATOT of spectacular frauds, ESPECIALLY when it comes to anything perceived as being 'real' or on an emotional point.
I think a lot of it comes from the demographic being skewed towards a younger age range. I find the older among us have been taken in, learned our lesson, and hang back now, yet are such a small number among the group sample, that our response ( or lack of) isn't significant in the result being measured.
Forums, in general tend to be a rough room and anyone with a thin skin usually fades into lurker-dom quickly.
But that being said, you are right. :thumbsup:

 

[rudeguy]

At one time, ordering someone into AA was very common. AFAIK, nowadays, judges merely order a person into a rehab program...usually set up by the defendant and his attorney, and USUALLY agreed to by the DA and the judge.
Successful completion of such a rehab program is generally a condition of probation, and unless you're Lindsay Lohan or some other "I'm too important to obey the law" type of celebrity, failure to complete the program may be enough to trigger a probation hold...and revocation of probation.

Judges are not allowed to order someone into AA. There have been plenty of cases that established that ordering a person into AA is outside a judge's power. That and AA wants people there because they want to be, not because they are court ordered.

With that being said, most probation offices require proof of AA attendance. Its a double edged sword because sometimes AA will help people court ordered (like me) but more often than not, those people either take away from meetings or add nothing to them. AA can't do anything about it though, since they can't be involved in controversy of any kind.

Most courts do offer either drug and/or alcohol court. This gives people the option of proving they are serious about getting sober by being closely monitored and going through an aggressive treatment program. This usually does involve AA or NA. But since the person chooses this, its not illegal.

The bottom line is that a person has to want to be completely through with his or her addiction. The courts can put you on house arrest, put an alcohol monitor on you, require daily piss tests and people will still find a way around it. I've seen it with my own eyes. Until that person's desire to be sober becomes greater than their will drink or drug, they are beyond help. Watch "Intervention" sometime. 90% of those shows end up with the person relapsing because they hadn't hit bottom yet.

 

[surfsatwerk]

My mother was an RN in a drug rehab clinic for decades. Yes, rehab works, I've seen the people go through the program who were basically near death and/or looking at long prison terms turned into some of the best, most productive and caring people I know.

Rehab only offers a short term solution for an addicts problems. What most addict's need is a long term solution, which is why continued activity with a 12 step program succeeds for addicts who stay active in it.

 

[Vic Vega]

Rehab only offers a short term solution for an addicts problems. What most addict's need is a long term solution, which is why continued activity with a 12 step program succeeds for addicts who stay active in it.

Absolutely wrong. Rehab doesn't end when you leave the facility. Rehab can and does work. Part of rehab is the detox, yes, and the other part is changing a person's behavior long term.

The major pushers of 12 step are religious folks looking for converts who will basically say any other method won't work. Ridiculous. I won't bother speaking with you further on this topic as your mind is made up.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Absolutely wrong. Rehab doesn't end when you leave the facility. Rehab can and does work. Part of rehab is the detox, yes, and the other part is changing a person's behavior long term.

The major pushers of 12 step are religious folks looking for converts who will basically say any other method won't work. Ridiculous. I won't bother speaking with you further on this topic as your mind is made up.

I personally have no religious inclinations. And most rehab centers don't offer patients care that lasts years on end for almost no cost. I personally don't care what voodoo the programs support, but there is evidence that it does work and won't bury a person in debt like some treatment facilities.

Hey if someone can find help for their problems who cares what the source is. I just see a lot to be admired about a group of addicts using their personal time and effort to help other addicts get clean, and not trying to get rich off the deal.

 

[rudeguy]

Absolutely wrong. Rehab doesn't end when you leave the facility. Rehab can and does work. Part of rehab is the detox, yes, and the other part is changing a person's behavior long term.

The major pushers of 12 step are religious folks looking for converts who will basically say any other method won't work. Ridiculous. I won't bother speaking with you further on this topic as your mind is made up.

Please provide some type of backing for your statement.

 

[Heller]

Fixed.

By the way, Heller, what prompted you to go to rehab?

My parents, it was either move out or get clean.

 

[Jeeebus]

My parents, it was either move out or get clean.

Interesting that you live in an apartment with a roommate (the millionaire footing the bill for rehab) while simultaneously live at home with your parents.

Oh, and I thought you did drugs with your parents.

You might want to start cataloging your bullshit so you don't get tripped up.

 

[Heller]

Interesting that you live in an apartment with a roommate (the millionaire footing the bill for rehab) while simultaneously live at home with your parents.

Oh, and I thought you did drugs with your parents.

You might want to start cataloging your bullshit so you don't get tripped up.

I've been at home taking care of my father who has cancer while my mom was on vacation. Im more then welcome to go back to apartment when i please, which will be in 28 days.

 

[zinfamous]

Interesting that you live in an apartment with a roommate (the millionaire footing the bill for rehab) while simultaneously live at home with your parents.

Oh, and I thought you did drugs with your parents.

You might want to start cataloging your bullshit so you don't get tripped up.

Ouch.

that's gotta hurt

 

[veri745]

My parents, it was either move out or get clean.

And I thought you were only home for the weekend. Drop out of rehab already?

 

[zinfamous]

And I thought you were only home for the weekend. Drop out of rehab already?

Heller has continued his novel here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2120689

it's like an epic comic book crossover. to get the full narrative, we need to seek out his lies in multiple threads!

:awe:

 

[Jeeebus]

lets not forget that Office Depot has no record of Josh Heller working for them or ever having worked for them.

I'm sure that's because he's actually working at Office Max or because his manager is just a cool druggie that pays him under the table and they just smoke pot during his shift.

Can't be that this guy is just an attention-seeking tool.

 

[Krazy4Real]

It's official... Heller = Zane Johnson