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surfsatwerk

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Yea, they aren't owned by state agencies, but it's common, at least in MD to mandate AA meetings for DUI offenses.

I just think it's an important point that the meeting exist without support from the court system. Those cards are signed as a service to the people who need them, not because the meetings are an extension of the legal system itself.
 

Ns1

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I just think it's an important point that the meeting exist without support from the court system. Those cards are signed as a service to the people who need them, not because the meetings are an extension of the legal system itself.

there are many people who go to AA because the court mandates them to, not because they want to.
 

surfsatwerk

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there are many people who go to AA because the court mandates them to, not because they want to.

Yes but those people don't run the meeting and I believe they aren't required to pay any money to get their card signed.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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Yes but those people don't run the meeting and I believe they aren't required to pay any money to get their card signed.

I vaguely recall money being involved, but I'm not sure. I've never gone myself, but I've worked with people who did, and it's a royal PITA. There may be some kind of mandatory "donation" when the courts are involved.
 

Malak

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What exactly am I jealous of? Some drugged up loser on the internet telling a story about how his roommate has 30 million dollars and is forking over 45k out of the goodness of his heart to send the OP to a fancy rehab resort?

Does that seriously not raise any red flags to you? If not, let me know and I might have a long lost relative from Nigeria that wants to speak to you

No it doesn't. If I were the guy with 30 million I would happily give heller the money. The fact that so many in here think this is outrageous is what bothers me, but what bothers me most is that you people would rather hate on him than encourage him. He wants to be a better person and the best you can do is give him a good example of what not to be.
 

BoomerD

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No it doesn't. If I were the guy with 30 million I would happily give heller the money. The fact that so many in here think this is outrageous is what bothers me, but what bothers me most is that you people would rather hate on him than encourage him. He wants to be a better person and the best you can do is give him a good example of what not to be.

Fish On!! Fish On!!
 

IcePickFreak

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Not that I am certain Heller isn't trolling, all the people trolling a thread like this are the bigger trolls even if he is IMO. If you don't believe him or just don't like him, don't post (like that would happen on AT, much less ATOT.) Seems a big gamble to take bashing a person who possibly could of hit rock bottom and is trying to pick up the pieces.

I'm starting to get the impression that 90% of AT posters are Nazi sympathizers who think they're part of the "master race" and can do no wrong. :|
 

nick1985

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No it doesn't. If I were the guy with 30 million I would happily give heller the money. The fact that so many in here think this is outrageous is what bothers me, but what bothers me most is that you people would rather hate on him than encourage him. He wants to be a better person and the best you can do is give him a good example of what not to be.

Dear Sir,
I sincerely write to seek your co-operation and trust
to enable my colleagues and I carry out an urgent
business opportunity in my department. I work with the
Union Bank of Nigeria PLC, currently I am the senior
manager of bills and exchange at the foreign
remittance department of my bank. I have an urgent and confidential
business proposal for you. On June 6, 1998, an Australian oil
consultant/contractor with via National Petroleum cooperation
(NNPC) Mr. Ali B. Ashraf
made a numbered time (fixed) deposit for twelve calenderer
month valued at US$51,000,000.00(fifty _one Million US Dollars) in my
branch. On maturity, I sent a routine notification tohis forwarded
address but got no reply after months we send a reminder and finally we
discovered from his contract employee (Nigeria National Petroleum Corporation)
that MR. Ali B. Ashrafdied from an automobile accident. On further
investigation, it was clear that he died without making a WILL.
All attempts by the Australian to trace his next of kin were fruitless.
I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr. Ali B. Ashraf did
not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents
including his deposit document in my bank. The total sum
US$51,000,000.00 is still in my bank as dormant acct.
No one will ever come forward to claim it.
According to Nigerian banking law, after five years, the money
will revert to the ownership of the Nigerian Government. If the account
owner is certified death and nobody comes forward to claim it. This is the
situation , and my proposal is that I am looking for aforeigner who will stand
in as the beneficiary/next of kin. This is simple. All you have to do is to
immediately send me the details of a bank account anywhere in the
world for me to arrange the proper money transfer document. The money will then
be transferred into the account for us to share in the ratio of 60% for
me 30% for you while the remaining 10% will be set aside for expenses
incurred with here and there. There is no risk involved. I am using my position
and connection in the bank here to do all the document work for the
transaction. We shall employ the services of an attorney to draft the
will and obtain all necessary documents and letter of administration in
yourfavor for the transfer. This transaction is risk free guaranteed. If
you are interested, , I will send to you the text of the application
that you will send to the Union Bank authority for an approval to
submit your claims.
Send your reply through mydirect and private email
address ( martins_dr@yahoo.co.uk ) indicate your direct
Fax and telephone numbers for effective communication
that this transaction needs. Do not reply through the
union bank email address because it belongs to the
senior staffs for public use.
Please note that you are not to appear in person, as
every thing regarding this project will be strictly on
documentations and every banking documents needed for
this transaction will be taken care of by my self.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Yours Faithfully

DR.IBRAHIM MARTIN
 

moshquerade

No Lifer
Nov 1, 2001
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Just got home from my 8 day drug detox,been clean of everything since November 2nd,first day was horrible because i just miss the doctor and wasn't gonna be able to see the doctor till the next day, i went over 40 hours of withdrawing but before they gave me my detox meds (suboxin)they gave me 2 shots of ativan 4mg throughout the night so i could literally get knocked out and go to bed till the doctor was coming tomorrow.

Now i get to spend the weekend at home then its a rehab/treatment center i go, where ill be for the next 30 days (no laptops but atleast i get a tv in the living room of my sober house (an hour away from my house in palm beach county.My roommate is paying for all my treatment and sending me to a resort type rehab and not some average standard rehab.Its $1500 per day but he just wants me to get clean and has the extra money to help his best friend out with. Hes even cleaned up and took the bongs out of the living room and put away, and he wont smoke infront of me.

Wish me luck ATOT
Heller-
Good luck Heller.
Sounds like your friend needs rehab too though. :\
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Yea, im gonna ask my friend for $500 to give to someone who has not only been a prick to me online, but has also never met me in irl

I've never said anything mean to you, can I have $500?

And good luck, 12 step programs work if you put the effort into it.

I have a cousin that's 20+ years into recovery and his life revolves around AA, NA's the same way. He's a happy productive person and gets laid right & left from chicks he meets at AA...
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
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Not that I am certain Heller isn't trolling, all the people trolling a thread like this are the bigger trolls even if he is IMO. If you don't believe him or just don't like him, don't post (like that would happen on AT, much less ATOT.) Seems a big gamble to take bashing a person who possibly could of hit rock bottom and is trying to pick up the pieces.

I'm starting to get the impression that 90% of AT posters are Nazi sympathizers who think they're part of the "master race" and can do no wrong. :|

Heller's life, his scrambled posting about it, our "trolling" his threads in response and, yes, your "outrage" at our "trolling" are, for better or worse, such standard staples of OT that I'm surprised you haven't figured this out yet.

To put it another way, your post is just another tired and predictable cliche moldering away in our tired cliche pile.

Now, watch as a subsequent poster points out that my response to your response to our response to Heller's response to his confused life belongs in the same damn cliche pile.

Can I get a witless? ;) :p
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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that's just how he rolls.

seriously, that 5% doesn't sound like much, but it represents how many people? how many lives saved? how many families saved? the benefits are immeasurable. you can point fingers and laugh at AA and similar 12-step programs which may possess some measure of religious framework, but the proof is in the pudding... only a truly malevolent soul would try to discount the advantages of having such programs in society. haters gonna hate...

eh, the 5% as reported in that link reflects 5% retention--meaning, those who remain after a year or so. So, how many of those 5% actually do remain sober...or just attend meetings? perhaps less?

further, how many of those who drop out after 30 days, 90 days....do get sober? probably plenty. The 5% success defined through 5% retention is hogwash, if you ask me.

Someone posted a better link, though, with more useful data. :\
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
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court can very commonly order you to attend AA as part of their verdict.

Though the legality of them doing so has been successfully challenged in more than one juridiction.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Heller's life, his scrambled posting about it, our "trolling" his threads in response and, yes, your "outrage" at our "trolling" are, for better or worse, such standard staples of OT that I'm surprised you haven't figured this out yet.

To put it another way, your post is just another tired and predictable cliche moldering away in our tired cliche pile.


Now, watch as a subsequent poster points out that my response to your response to our response to Heller's response to his confused life belongs in the same damn cliche pile.

Can I get a witless? ;) :p

there is something perfect about that statement right there.

I think it sums up the attitude of just about everyone posting in this thread, trolling, offering "support," trolling simply b/c it's Heller--whether or not one might wish him luck, etc....
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
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ORLY?

:hmm:

Wiki says it's true, so it must be! ():)

United States courts have ruled that inmates, parolees, and probationers cannot be ordered to attend AA. Though AA itself was not deemed a religion, it was ruled that it contained enough religious components to make coerced attendance at AA meetings a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the constitution.[72] In September 2007, United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that a parole office can be sued for ordering a parolee to attend AA.[73][74]
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Wiki says it's true, so it must be! ():)

At one time, ordering someone into AA was very common. AFAIK, nowadays, judges merely order a person into a rehab program...usually set up by the defendant and his attorney, and USUALLY agreed to by the DA and the judge.
Successful completion of such a rehab program is generally a condition of probation, and unless you're Lindsay Lohan or some other "I'm too important to obey the law" type of celebrity, failure to complete the program may be enough to trigger a probation hold...and revocation of probation.
 
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