Playstation Network vs. Xbox Live

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Originally posted by: destrekor
But I bet most of you who say it is cheap and have that mentality of 'it's only a couple bucks a month, big deal' are probably in debt on credit cards too. I've recently began trying to keep to habits that can save me as much money as possible, and if that means buying the big packages of different products, not to mention the kroger or target brands of said items, then I do that. That alone saves me a couple bucks every purchase.

So says the man who owns a PS3, a Wii, and a PC good enough to game on. Too bad that you are only recently trying to obtain good habits with money by buying the cheaper brands, you could've had an XBOX 360 instead of that expensive PS3 you so valiantly defend. OR, you could've just stuck with the Wii or the PC, and we probably wouldn't have to listen to you lecture us debt-ridden Live users.
 

Aikouka

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Heh, why is Destrekor seriously trying to say that I will become Bill Gates if I don't pay $50 for 13 months of Live? I'd comment on that being minuscule compared to my pay, but that's petty :p.

Oh and don't be silly, the achievements aren't an e-peen measure, but the gamerscore is kind of. It's more of a measure of how much you play your 360 (somewhat). I mean, my score of ~1500 doesn't show that I play much. I don't play awfully much, but I tend to play Lumines a lot, which I can't get any of the other achievements :(. I think Microsoft needs to really rethink their Achievements. Some of the achievements on arcade games are harder than retail games. Like there are games where all you gotta do is beat the game (Enchanted Arms) but Lumines can be a pain to do things like 70 blocks cleared in 60 seconds.

Originally posted by: Modeps
All games must be "live enabled",

I'm not sure what you mean by it, but not all games have XBOX Live content. You can tell if the game doesn't list, "XBOX Live" on the upper right part (it should be beside where they put the "Only on XBOX 360" logo).

Originally posted by: randay
also not having frequent outages is a big plus to me.

I'm not sure if this refers to XBOX Live, but I haven't had an outage with it before :eek:.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: destrekor
But I bet most of you who say it is cheap and have that mentality of 'it's only a couple bucks a month, big deal' are probably in debt on credit cards too. I've recently began trying to keep to habits that can save me as much money as possible, and if that means buying the big packages of different products, not to mention the kroger or target brands of said items, then I do that. That alone saves me a couple bucks every purchase.

So says the man who owns a PS3, a Wii, and a PC good enough to game on. Too bad that you are only recently trying to obtain good habits with money by buying the cheaper brands, you could've had an XBOX 360 instead of that expensive PS3 you so valiantly defend. OR, you could've just stuck with the Wii or the PC, and we probably wouldn't have to listen to you lecture us debt-ridden Live users.

yea man i'm in so much debt ... i have to pay off school loans and my car :(

man what will I do to pay that off, this $2.50/mo that i'm spending on live could have so much use elsewhere.
 
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Originally posted by: purbeast0
And to those of you saying that Achievements are so lame and worthless ... just wait until the PS3's accomplishments start coming with PS3 games when Home launches.

I guarantee you will play parts of games JUST to get them and show them off in your Home.

no.
 

randay

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lame how quickly this turned into a lame ass thread. hope the penny arcade guys are reading it though, thier comic today was wtf. they needs material.
 

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Originally posted by: randay
lame how quickly this turned into a lame ass thread. hope the penny arcade guys are reading it though, thier comic today was wtf. they needs material.

every thread in this forum is being turned into a lame thread. it's hard to keep anything on topic
 

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
everything grows in time ... that's what happens with technology.

the fact that you said you haven't seen Xbox Live constantly improving is just you letting us know yet again you don't know much about xbox live. Ask anyone who's used Xbox Live from day 1 and it's improved greatly, and it will continue to do so.

They have a huge fall/spring updates that come out every year, and the fall one is coming out w/in the next couple months.

Ok, I guess what I've seen from Live currently, I haven't noticed that big of a difference between the start of the 360 and now. I'm just not seeing as big of a growth as I am on the PSN at this CURRENT time. The PSN does have more to catch up on, though.

Originally posted by: Modeps
I have it on good authority that Microsoft actually had a version of "Home" spec'd out when they were developing the 360 and its dashboard, but they decided to go for a simpler approach... why? Because they felt having almost instant access to everything was more important than having virtual images of yourself spending time wandering around a pretty world doing basically nothing. Yeah, its a neat concept when you first look at it, I was sort of impressed too, but I'd really rather use my gaming console to game and talk to people, not just only socialize or do Folding@Home.

Don't forget, about the one big thing that microsoft decreed upon developers: voice chat support for 100% of the games built into the dashboard. This means I can be playing one thing, my buddy be playing another, and I can still talk to him. I can leave the game and drop to the dashboard, put in another game and continue uninterrupted.

You can do everything in Home without having to walk around. It will incorporate a 2d interface, or so I've heard.

The chat thing is pretty cool, I'll admit that. I'd love to have that on the PSN, but there are also some problems chatting with a group if there are varying NAT types...just chatting with one buddy is no problem. But yeah, that chat feature would be nice on the PSN.

Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: hans030390
So, let's open it to everything. Past, present, and future. I don't see Live constantly growing, where as I see the PSN as something constantly growing over time. What cool new things does live have coming in the next year? Probably not as much as what the PSN has coming. I'm still thinking Live will offer more, but I'm not seeing nearly as much growth.

I'll have to disagree with you there. Live has done nothing but grow and offer new features since the 360 was released. Will it offer all the same features as PSN? No. But then again, PSN won't offer all the same features as Live either.

So the question shouldn't be which one will grow more. Instead it should be which one will have the features that I want to use.

Sorry, I meant to say that I didn't see it growing as much currently as the PSN is...of course, the PSN has a bit of catching up to do. If you go by the last question you posted, I'd have to say the PSN has what I want to use...Live offers more than I want for more than I want to pay.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
Another pro IMO is that the PSN store is a lot nicer to move around than the Marketplace. Also the PSN is a lot faster/responsive than the marketplace is and just all around loads faster. But as a whole I think the PS3 "dash" is much faster than the Xbox360's is.

If anything, I've felt the PSN store is a bit slow for my tastes...I like the layout, but it feels slow and hard to navigate at times (just slightly annoying). I didn't like Live's layout, but it was pretty quick for me.

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
achievements are so ridiculous...you're playing a fucking game for godsake.

I think they're a cool concept, and I'd probably work for a few of them. Do I really care? No. Would I miss them if a service didn't have them? No. I'm more interested in leaderboards and rankings. With the trophies on Home, I might play for some of them, but they're not that big of a deal.

Originally posted by: Suture
They aren't even comparable. XBL is integrated very well with the games and the system. PSN seems like an afterthought. $50/year for XBL (and it's not hard to get it for $40) is loose change.

I wouldn't call it an afterthought. That's a bit harsh. Live has been around MUCH longer than the PSN (on the Xbox), and Sony had basically nothing before that.

$50 a year isn't BAD for me. I'd rather not pay it. It stacks up over time. People complaining about the PS3's price better quit talking if they bought a 360 and pay $50 a year for Live. Eventually Live's cost (and all the other ridiculous costs that MS charges for accessories) will make the 360 more expensive than the PS3.

Originally posted by: chrisg22
It cracks me up, a majority of the people who hate achievements are PS3 owners...

I don't hate them, but I don't think they're as big as a deal as people make them out to be. Some people claim it makes Live "SO MUCH BETTER" than anything else out there. I own both a PS3 and 360, and I still stand by what I say.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I know you aren't paying, cause you don't have an Xbox360, and you probably never will, cause you are a PS3 fanboy :D

You sound like a 360 fanboy to me. Despite what good things you say about the PSN, you tried to bash Warhawk by saying it will die when the ranked servers go out. I proved you wrong there, because players can host ranked servers. It was basically an attempt to make Live/Halo 3 look better, but it really backfired on you. And yes, that thread did have a bit to deal with the PSN, what it offered, and how it was free as well.

Not to mention, you're pretty quick to jump in and defend anything involving the 360, Live, or Halo 3. Especially Halo 3. Like, I can't stress how much you'll jump on most posts involving Halo 3. Oh, and you have a link to Halo 3 screen shots in your signature. A bit into Halo 3 I see...a good, huge bit.

So, before you call anyone a PS3 fanboy, take a look at yourself and notice how much you scream Xbox 360 fanboy all over.

Yeah, call me a PS3 fanboy if you want. Despite the fact that I back up something I think is good (PSN), I'll still admit that Live is a good bit better than PSN. Big deal. I still thoroughly enjoy the PSN and what it offers. Live just doesn't seem like it's worth the extra cash to me PERSONALLY, regardless of how little it costs. That's my opinion.




 

Aikouka

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Well, what do you expect? It's essentially PS3 vs XBOX 360 not PSN vs XBL. If that happens, you most undoubtedly get people reaching for any reason to defend their beloved console. You know what, I could care less if you enjoy PSN. Good! Go have fun! If Live gives you a chubby, good... go... um do whatever you do with that :eek:.

XBOX Live is an older and more mature online implementation. It's a closed system that's designed to provide a central system for all games rather than let the developers do what they want. This has positives and negatives, although I will say that the negatives aren't as big for most games. I think the only game we may say has the most negative heat put on it from XBL is probably Unreal Tournament 3, where the PSN can provide more out-of-the-box.

Do I think Home will be great? I don't know. I mean, I do sometimes have fun chilling in WoW with some buddies in the middle of a major city, but I'm not entirely sure that is 100% applicable to Home. With the large amount of gimmicky things in this generation of consoles, I am finding it more and more hard to believe that something heavily promoted will not just be a gimmick and be way less than they try to push.

I did buy a PS3 today though... had to go with an 80GB to get backwards compatibility though. It kind of pissed me off that I had to pay $15 for a stupid memory card adapter just to transfer the data from my PS2 memory card though. Unfortunately, I don't have a friend that's local, has a PS3 and has the adapter :(. I just need to figure out where I'm going to put it in my entertainment center :p.
 

destrekor

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i hate all of you ;)
:laugh:

but seriously. okay with all the hate on destrekor going on in this thread, just on this page.. i can't acknowledge all of it. especially with all of the homework I should get back too.

let me just say that yes, I am hypocritical at times, but I realize why. But ugh, enough with the money. Everyone seems not to understand what I meant.. should have expected that since everyone here has family-supporting incomes and yes, then things that are cheap, even after adding up, are cheap and amount to guilty pleasures and are worthwhile. However, as a college student now having to make sense of my spending (last year I was able to get away with it, and I could still get away with it now but I need to start saving up), I know where I need to make cuts to make other habits not hurt my wallet. I'll save where I can so I can spend where I really want. Again, this is not a money thread and I'm sorry for apparently making it so. ;)

And I definitely don't feel the need to defend the PS3. I won't really defend the Wii unless someone makes a claim that is downright idiotic (and it's not because it's too good to have problems. oh it has it's share of problems, just like the PS3. however, they PS3's problems are not ingrained and can be fixed).

and I've said it before and I'll sum it up again: how can I be a fanboy when I don't bash other products and realize their strengths, just have reasons not to own one? sigh, some never understand.

and purbeast, as far as the whole spiel about console generations, it was completely out of place in this thread but I kind of felt it would be a good fit considering these threads always turn into console vs console, and it was something I noticed in history. Trends are interesting. :)

and aikouka summed up my beliefs on the live vs psn topic quite well. :)

fwiw, I just filled out a survey for PSN (was waiting in my inbox after I finished this post originally). It was a good survey and, basically, if more people are like me as far as the responses go, their will be some positive changes to the PSN and the structure of everything together. :)

One question also asked for my opinion on Xbox Live, from 1 (very favorable) to 4 (basically dislike/hate Live, cannot remember was official designation for 4 was), with a 5 for no opinion. I put a 2. If only they had a box to add reasons, however that wouldn't work on a mass survey because someone then has to read it. I put a 2, and not a 1, due to my dislike of the closed system. Epic has already voiced concerns over it, and I share the exact same beliefs. User content is one of the biggest upsides to PC gaming and I would love to see that feature for console gaming.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: hans030390
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I know you aren't paying, cause you don't have an Xbox360, and you probably never will, cause you are a PS3 fanboy :D

You sound like a 360 fanboy to me. Despite what good things you say about the PSN, you tried to bash Warhawk by saying it will die when the ranked servers go out. I proved you wrong there, because players can host ranked servers. It was basically an attempt to make Live/Halo 3 look better, but it really backfired on you. And yes, that thread did have a bit to deal with the PSN, what it offered, and how it was free as well.

Not to mention, you're pretty quick to jump in and defend anything involving the 360, Live, or Halo 3. Especially Halo 3. Like, I can't stress how much you'll jump on most posts involving Halo 3. Oh, and you have a link to Halo 3 screen shots in your signature. A bit into Halo 3 I see...a good, huge bit.

So, before you call anyone a PS3 fanboy, take a look at yourself and notice how much you scream Xbox 360 fanboy all over.

Yeah, call me a PS3 fanboy if you want. Despite the fact that I back up something I think is good (PSN), I'll still admit that Live is a good bit better than PSN. Big deal. I still thoroughly enjoy the PSN and what it offers. Live just doesn't seem like it's worth the extra cash to me PERSONALLY, regardless of how little it costs. That's my opinion.

when the hell will you get over the fact that I was wrong about Warhawk's servers? I have admitted to being wrong in like 3 different threads, and I've admitted that I've played Warhawk 2 times. Get over it - I know I was wrong, stop using me being wrong about that as your argument in every reply.

I just love how the fact that I like Xbox360 better than PS3 makes me a fanboy. That amuses me.

I own all 3 systems - Xbox360, Wii, and PS3. I've used everyone of them pretty damn extensively. I can nitpick all I want and I bash every single console out there.

IMO, Xbox360 > PS3 > Wii.

Also IMO, Xbox Live > PSN. Most people who have used both of them and uses both of them on a regular basis will tell you this. There are examples of that in this thread alone.

Also I think it's funny how you think that anyone who likes Halo 3 is a Halo fanboy. That is just an ignorant way to look at things, and it shows in your previous posts in another thread that you are clearly ignorant about this subject because you say that anyone who likes EGM must be a Halo fanboy. If you read any other Halo threads for it's content rather than just going to them to troll then you'd see that I've discussed flaws with Halo 3.

Just understand this - there is nothing wrong with liking Halo 3 and thinking it's a fun game. Millions and millions of people think so and are currently playing it. Bungie must be doing something right w/Halo 3 if it's getting so many players.

Oh and the Halo 3 link in my sig ... it's a website I started about a week ago. If you didn't know, advertising in signatures on this forum is a decent way of advertising and drawing some people to your site who may not have done so.

Stop getting so defensive of your PS3 and the PSN. To see that it doesn't have flaws and doesn't offer as much as Xbox Live is just being blind. And yes I will continue to call you a PS3 fanboy :p
 

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I didn't realize such a seemingly innocent topic could get people all charged up like this. I guess it is safe to say this is all really a matter of preference. As a 360 and PS3 owner, I simply don't understand why people would be willing to spend money just to play games that they already spent money on. I can't imagine, for example, if Steam started charging people to play CS:S. If achievements and gamer scores are that important, more power to you.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: JC86
I didn't realize such a seemingly innocent topic could get people all charged up like this. I guess it is safe to say this is all really a matter of preference. As a 360 and PS3 owner, I simply don't understand why people would be willing to spend money just to play games that they already spent money on. I can't imagine, for example, if Steam started charging people to play CS:S. If achievements and gamer scores are that important, more power to you.

hey it's fun though, it gets for some decent discussions usually, when people know their facts :p
 

gi0rgi0

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I dont mind achievement and gamerscores for accomplishing this or that. I just dont like everyone knowing. It even says how long you've been
playing. I like the anonymity of the psn.

edit: steam rules!!! TF2 tomorrow!!!!
and free multiplayer :)
 

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I have had an XBOX 360 and PS3 and used both. For what I do, I don't see much added from using live over PSN. It is laid out a little better, but not enough that I would pay for it. If I played 2-4 hours a day every day, maybe. but I only play online maybe once or twice a month so free just makes so much more sense since I would never come close to getting my moneys worth from Live.

Over the lifespan of a console you are looking at $200 extra to be able to use live.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I have had an XBOX 360 and PS3 and used both. For what I do, I don't see much added from using live over PSN. It is laid out a little better, but not enough that I would pay for it. If I played 2-4 hours a day every day, maybe. but I only play online maybe once or twice a month so free just makes so much more sense since I would never come close to getting my moneys worth from Live.

Over the lifespan of a console you are looking at $200 extra to be able to use live.

careful bringing money up. $200 is chump change for these folk. :p
me, that's how I see it. I'd rather spend $200 on audio equipment than game fees. Audio equipment gets me into the game more than fees. :)
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I have had an XBOX 360 and PS3 and used both. For what I do, I don't see much added from using live over PSN. It is laid out a little better, but not enough that I would pay for it. If I played 2-4 hours a day every day, maybe. but I only play online maybe once or twice a month so free just makes so much more sense since I would never come close to getting my moneys worth from Live.

Over the lifespan of a console you are looking at $200 extra to be able to use live.

careful bringing money up. $200 is chump change for these folk. :p
me, that's how I see it. I'd rather spend $200 on audio equipment than game fees. Audio equipment gets me into the game more than fees. :)

$200 over 5 years IS chump change. that's 11 cents a day.

and your audio equipment isn't going to get you into halo 3's matchmaking :p
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I have had an XBOX 360 and PS3 and used both. For what I do, I don't see much added from using live over PSN. It is laid out a little better, but not enough that I would pay for it. If I played 2-4 hours a day every day, maybe. but I only play online maybe once or twice a month so free just makes so much more sense since I would never come close to getting my moneys worth from Live.

Over the lifespan of a console you are looking at $200 extra to be able to use live.

careful bringing money up. $200 is chump change for these folk. :p
me, that's how I see it. I'd rather spend $200 on audio equipment than game fees. Audio equipment gets me into the game more than fees. :)

$200 over 5 years IS chump change. that's 11 cents a day.

and your audio equipment isn't going to get you into halo 3's matchmaking :p

but it'll get me more into single player, which I enjoy more. ;)
I'm a big movie person, love a good story in general, thus why I prefer single player. Another reason an online service is something I would not want to pay for. I play multiplayer, but just for short periods of time to change up the pace in the routine.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: purbeast0

Also I think it's funny how you think that anyone who likes Halo 3 is a Halo fanboy. That is just an ignorant way to look at things, and it shows in your previous posts in another thread that you are clearly ignorant about this subject because you say that anyone who likes EGM must be a Halo fanboy. If you read any other Halo threads for it's content rather than just going to them to troll then you'd see that I've discussed flaws with Halo 3.

I'm like the anti-Halo fanboy. I never had ANY interest in playing Halo. It is everything that I DON'T like in a FPS
- Unrealistic weapons
- Non-human combatants
- Unrealistic settings (locales)
- Absurd jumping ability

I only tried it because two of my coworkers talked me into it.

And I really, really like it. :Q

Except the Warthog controls... but that's a topic for a different thread. :p


I have no experience with PSN and I really know nothing about it... I'll get a PS3 eventually though, so I guess I'll find out then... or I'll find an opportunity to play with my brother's.
 

gi0rgi0

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Cool, I gotta give halo 3 multiplayer a try. Played some single and thought it was good. But playing warhawk kinda makes me hold out.
I want a newer falcon based 360 anyway.
 

hans030390

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Originally posted by: purbeast0

when the hell will you get over the fact that I was wrong about Warhawk's servers? I have admitted to being wrong in like 3 different threads, and I've admitted that I've played Warhawk 2 times. Get over it - I know I was wrong, stop using me being wrong about that as your argument in every reply.

I just love how the fact that I like Xbox360 better than PS3 makes me a fanboy. That amuses me.

I own all 3 systems - Xbox360, Wii, and PS3. I've used everyone of them pretty damn extensively. I can nitpick all I want and I bash every single console out there.

IMO, Xbox360 > PS3 > Wii.

Also IMO, Xbox Live > PSN. Most people who have used both of them and uses both of them on a regular basis will tell you this. There are examples of that in this thread alone.

Also I think it's funny how you think that anyone who likes Halo 3 is a Halo fanboy. That is just an ignorant way to look at things, and it shows in your previous posts in another thread that you are clearly ignorant about this subject because you say that anyone who likes EGM must be a Halo fanboy. If you read any other Halo threads for it's content rather than just going to them to troll then you'd see that I've discussed flaws with Halo 3.

Just understand this - there is nothing wrong with liking Halo 3 and thinking it's a fun game. Millions and millions of people think so and are currently playing it. Bungie must be doing something right w/Halo 3 if it's getting so many players.

Oh and the Halo 3 link in my sig ... it's a website I started about a week ago. If you didn't know, advertising in signatures on this forum is a decent way of advertising and drawing some people to your site who may not have done so.

Stop getting so defensive of your PS3 and the PSN. To see that it doesn't have flaws and doesn't offer as much as Xbox Live is just being blind. And yes I will continue to call you a PS3 fanboy :p

I got over the Warhawk thing a while back, but it's still pretty relevant to my argument. You can walking into that thread a while back, and you jumped at that opportunity to definitely try to smack down Warhawk and the PSN. You were trying to prove that Halo 3's online (and Live) is so much better. It doesn't matter that you were wrong, what matters is how you seemed pretty willing to make Live/Halo 3 look that much better than the PSN that much worse.

I never said PSN was better than Live. I CLEARLY stated that Live is better. I just added in that it's not worth it TO ME to pay for things I won't use. I can get what I want on the PSN. I did not say it's worse, or that I would never pay for it. Clearly you're not paying much attention to what I say.

I also did not say "Because you own a 360, you are therefore a 360 fanboy." I'm basing my opinion that you are a fanboy based on what I have seen you say. Sure, you can nitpick little flaws. BIG DEAL. I can do that for anything no matter how much I may like it. I haven't heard you say much negative about Halo or the 360. Ok, no problem. So you like them. What really got me was how quickly you tried to smack down the PSN and Warhawk (and bring your prized Halo 3 and Live up) in a previous thread. Sure, you were wrong, but your intentions stayed the same. It seems like almost everything you put here is an attempt to make Halo 3 and Live look so much better than everything else. They're great, I know, but sometimes you get a little to deep into it. I don't know what else to think of someone who links to pictures in their sig. Advertising is great and all, but I know how excited you were about these pictures. You posted the thread about them, right?

Ok, so you post flaws about Halo 3. I've seen some, and you even posted some negatives about Live on here. I still can't get over how you went into that thread and basically tried to say "Ha! Halo 3 is better than Warhawk! Warhawk will die! Live FTW!". If you didn't mean that, I'm sorry, but you totally came off that way. And yeah, that really was a big deal to me. I wouldn't attack Halo 3 for not having dedicated ranked servers...I don't know why it wouldn't, but it's not that big of a deal.

I'll tell you what really set me off with 1up/EGM. It was something like, "If you don't love Halo, you should question your manhood." Joke or not, that a pretty bold thing to say. Doesn't make me think "Oh, they're not fanboys at all." What if I don't love it? Am I not a gamer??? They seem to want you to think that. I really like the series. It's basically why I bought my 360. I still think the game is rather disappointing and boring...I've lost a lot of faith in any big reviews after seeing it getting such high scores. HOWEVER, I did mention I like basically everything else EGM puts out. Reviews are just iffy for me. I trust other places way more than them for reviews. And I don't recall saying anyone who reads EGM is a Halo fanboy. I just think the editors are fanboys. I read the magazine, but I'm not a Halo fanboy. I like the magazine, I just don't agree with some reviews, especially those involving Halo or competing games. Example: Halo 3 got best AI (the AI is not that good), Killzone 2 got worst AI. Killzone 2 is in an ALPHA state. What do you expect? It's just another one of their tactics to make Halo 3 look best, because they're fanboys. We all know you must be SUPER critical of KZ just because it's the main competing title. Look at the KZ: Liberation reviews...HORRIBLE. No one else rated it so low. I really think they don't want anything to stand in Halo's way.

Maybe you should read closely. I LIKE HALO. I think Halo 3 is not as good as it's made out to be. I don't think Live is worth the money, but it is better than PSN. I don't always like EGM, or a lot of gaming review stuff anymore. I think it's too biased. These are MY opinions, and others share some of those. This is what I have been saying for a while now, yet you seem to neglect some key things. Let me repeat: I like Halo. Don't think it deserves 10s (Not the 2nd or 3rd games at least), however. I KNOW Live is better. I'd just rather play for free, as the PSN has what I want. I'd rather read a non-EGM gaming magazine. I bought a 360 for Halo 3. Get it? Yes, I've been defending the PSN and my opinions, some of which I share with you. You can't seem to do anything but go against everyone that is totally pro-Live and pro-Halo. You seem to be missing that some things I agree on you ith. You also are twisting my words and claiming I said things that I did not. Also, had you not called a previous member a fanboy for his own opinion, I would not have called you a fanboy for your opinions. Some actions you take just definitely point to you being a fanboy. Throw in a good bit of nitpicking for Live and Halo 3 and I will correct myself, as I may be mistaken. You claim you can do so, so let me see it. If you can show me that you are not, I will correct myself on the spot. I am just going by what I have observed.

I think it's a bit harsh to call me a troll as well. I will share my opinions regardless of how popular they may or may not be. Like I said, there were a couple main things that really lead me to believe that you are pretty close to being a Halo/Live fanboy. The attempted Warhawk/PSN bashing and calling someone else a fanboy on here. Yes, I will use them over and over, because things like that really leave impressions on me.

 

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Originally posted by: destrekor
my only comment is the continued persistence that Live is cheap. $50/year (slightly cheaper if you look around) is not cheap. Sure, a few bucks a month feels cheap. But I bet most of you who say it is cheap and have that mentality of 'it's only a couple bucks a month, big deal' are probably in debt on credit cards too. I've recently began trying to keep to habits that can save me as much money as possible, and if that means buying the big packages of different products, not to mention the kroger or target brands of said items, then I do that. That alone saves me a couple bucks every purchase. I've never done the math but that's quite easily more than a few bucks a month. I like that philosophy, not the other way around. Because by not paying a few bucks a month for something I do not need, I have said enough to buy something I'd much rather have down the road, or not buy something at all until I have even more money and buy something bigger and better.

oh and achievements are only there to help people build bigger e-penises. I don't care to hear all the whiney kids and how big their e-penis is. I'd much rather see a rank within each game, versus an overall score and star rating for a person (think military ranks in Resistance and Halo). A per-game score system has much more merit than a general score system.

When the consoles cost > $400 and games cost > $50 a $4/month fee for Live is cheap. If you're that concerned about that $4 you shouldn't be buying consoles/games in the first place.

 
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did you know the ps3 was hitler's brainchild. he wanted to get blu-ray videos of his anti-semetic message out to everyone. thats right, ps3 hates jews.
 

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did you know the ps3 was hitler's brainchild. he wanted to get blu-ray videos of his anti-semetic message out to everyone. thats right, ps3 hates jews.

I didn't know that.

I did notice that if you click on the "View Posts" in your profile you get single-line post after single-line post of smart-ass remarks with little to no value added to any conversation.
 

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Originally posted by: hans030390
Originally posted by: purbeast0

when the hell will you get over the fact that I was wrong about Warhawk's servers? I have admitted to being wrong in like 3 different threads, and I've admitted that I've played Warhawk 2 times. Get over it - I know I was wrong, stop using me being wrong about that as your argument in every reply.

I just love how the fact that I like Xbox360 better than PS3 makes me a fanboy. That amuses me.

I own all 3 systems - Xbox360, Wii, and PS3. I've used everyone of them pretty damn extensively. I can nitpick all I want and I bash every single console out there.

IMO, Xbox360 > PS3 > Wii.

Also IMO, Xbox Live > PSN. Most people who have used both of them and uses both of them on a regular basis will tell you this. There are examples of that in this thread alone.

Also I think it's funny how you think that anyone who likes Halo 3 is a Halo fanboy. That is just an ignorant way to look at things, and it shows in your previous posts in another thread that you are clearly ignorant about this subject because you say that anyone who likes EGM must be a Halo fanboy. If you read any other Halo threads for it's content rather than just going to them to troll then you'd see that I've discussed flaws with Halo 3.

Just understand this - there is nothing wrong with liking Halo 3 and thinking it's a fun game. Millions and millions of people think so and are currently playing it. Bungie must be doing something right w/Halo 3 if it's getting so many players.

Oh and the Halo 3 link in my sig ... it's a website I started about a week ago. If you didn't know, advertising in signatures on this forum is a decent way of advertising and drawing some people to your site who may not have done so.

Stop getting so defensive of your PS3 and the PSN. To see that it doesn't have flaws and doesn't offer as much as Xbox Live is just being blind. And yes I will continue to call you a PS3 fanboy :p

I got over the Warhawk thing a while back, but it's still pretty relevant to my argument. You can walking into that thread a while back, and you jumped at that opportunity to definitely try to smack down Warhawk and the PSN. You were trying to prove that Halo 3's online (and Live) is so much better. It doesn't matter that you were wrong, what matters is how you seemed pretty willing to make Live/Halo 3 look that much better than the PSN that much worse.

I never said PSN was better than Live. I CLEARLY stated that Live is better. I just added in that it's not worth it TO ME to pay for things I won't use. I can get what I want on the PSN. I did not say it's worse, or that I would never pay for it. Clearly you're not paying much attention to what I say.

I also did not say "Because you own a 360, you are therefore a 360 fanboy." I'm basing my opinion that you are a fanboy based on what I have seen you say. Sure, you can nitpick little flaws. BIG DEAL. I can do that for anything no matter how much I may like it. I haven't heard you say much negative about Halo or the 360. Ok, no problem. So you like them. What really got me was how quickly you tried to smack down the PSN and Warhawk (and bring your prized Halo 3 and Live up) in a previous thread. Sure, you were wrong, but your intentions stayed the same. It seems like almost everything you put here is an attempt to make Halo 3 and Live look so much better than everything else. They're great, I know, but sometimes you get a little to deep into it. I don't know what else to think of someone who links to pictures in their sig. Advertising is great and all, but I know how excited you were about these pictures. You posted the thread about them, right?

Ok, so you post flaws about Halo 3. I've seen some, and you even posted some negatives about Live on here. I still can't get over how you went into that thread and basically tried to say "Ha! Halo 3 is better than Warhawk! Warhawk will die! Live FTW!". If you didn't mean that, I'm sorry, but you totally came off that way. And yeah, that really was a big deal to me. I wouldn't attack Halo 3 for not having dedicated ranked servers...I don't know why it wouldn't, but it's not that big of a deal.

I'll tell you what really set me off with 1up/EGM. It was something like, "If you don't love Halo, you should question your manhood." Joke or not, that a pretty bold thing to say. Doesn't make me think "Oh, they're not fanboys at all." What if I don't love it? Am I not a gamer??? They seem to want you to think that. I really like the series. It's basically why I bought my 360. I still think the game is rather disappointing and boring...I've lost a lot of faith in any big reviews after seeing it getting such high scores. HOWEVER, I did mention I like basically everything else EGM puts out. Reviews are just iffy for me. I trust other places way more than them for reviews. And I don't recall saying anyone who reads EGM is a Halo fanboy. I just think the editors are fanboys. I read the magazine, but I'm not a Halo fanboy. I like the magazine, I just don't agree with some reviews, especially those involving Halo or competing games. Example: Halo 3 got best AI (the AI is not that good), Killzone 2 got worst AI. Killzone 2 is in an ALPHA state. What do you expect? It's just another one of their tactics to make Halo 3 look best, because they're fanboys. We all know you must be SUPER critical of KZ just because it's the main competing title. Look at the KZ: Liberation reviews...HORRIBLE. No one else rated it so low. I really think they don't want anything to stand in Halo's way.

Maybe you should read closely. I LIKE HALO. I think Halo 3 is not as good as it's made out to be. I don't think Live is worth the money, but it is better than PSN. I don't always like EGM, or a lot of gaming review stuff anymore. I think it's too biased. These are MY opinions, and others share some of those. This is what I have been saying for a while now, yet you seem to neglect some key things. Let me repeat: I like Halo. Don't think it deserves 10s (Not the 2nd or 3rd games at least), however. I KNOW Live is better. I'd just rather play for free, as the PSN has what I want. I'd rather read a non-EGM gaming magazine. I bought a 360 for Halo 3. Get it? Yes, I've been defending the PSN and my opinions, some of which I share with you. You can't seem to do anything but go against everyone that is totally pro-Live and pro-Halo. You seem to be missing that some things I agree on you ith. You also are twisting my words and claiming I said things that I did not. Also, had you not called a previous member a fanboy for his own opinion, I would not have called you a fanboy for your opinions. Some actions you take just definitely point to you being a fanboy. Throw in a good bit of nitpicking for Live and Halo 3 and I will correct myself, as I may be mistaken. You claim you can do so, so let me see it. If you can show me that you are not, I will correct myself on the spot. I am just going by what I have observed.

I think it's a bit harsh to call me a troll as well. I will share my opinions regardless of how popular they may or may not be. Like I said, there were a couple main things that really lead me to believe that you are pretty close to being a Halo/Live fanboy. The attempted Warhawk/PSN bashing and calling someone else a fanboy on here. Yes, I will use them over and over, because things like that really leave impressions on me.

ok well we're basically going to have to agree to disagree and I'm cool with that :)

however like 3-4 of your paragraphs are still saying the same thing - that I say Halo/Live is better than warhawk/PSN ... we know I think this, again, get over that fact.

also about your EGM comment, you are taking the "typical" PS3 stance and looking at "what it will be in the future" stance. do you know why they compare the AI of Halo 3 to the AI of KZ2 in it's current form? Because that's all they have to go off of. They aren't psychics and can't tell you how it will be in it's final build. Who gives a crap, they are doing their previews based on what they actually previewed.

And the fact that you said the AI in H3 is not good just straight up shows that you have yet to play Halo 3 on Legendary mode (or hell probably even heroic mode). Or if you have played it on Legendary and think that's bad AI, then you must think every game has bad AI.

And if you think I'm critical of KZ2 maybe you should go read some threads on this forum and see my comments about it. Here, I'll link you to this one here. and quote myself ...

Originally posted by: purbeast0
I personally think KZ2 has the potential to be that killer app that PS3 needs. From that demonstration I saw of it, the game looks freaking insane. The presentation, graphics, sound, the peaking out and taking cover ... everything just looks amazing IMO.

Watching that video made me excited to see more of it. HOWEVER ... I've just been reading about how the AI is not shaping up like the rest of the game is.

But hey we have over a year until it's going to be finished most likely, so I'm reserving final judgement. I'm just talking about what i have currently seen and read about current builds, not what it WILL be in the end, cause obviously no one knows.

I personally think KZ2 looks a lot better than MGS4 does. Nothing about MGS4 gets me excited honestly. I don't even think it looks that great. Part 2 blew (played it all the way through) and it made me not even want to try part 3, although I did play it for like 30 minutes. I can't really pass final judgement on that game, but it did not suck me in at all.

I also hardly played KZ1 but the time i did have with it was not htat great.

So again, your "you are a fanboy because you like halo 3" fails again. Whether or not you think I'm a fanboy or not, because I think Live > PSN and Halo 3 > Warhawk, I'm far from a fanboy. I play games to play them and have fun, regardless of what console they are on. Why else would I have every console out there?

Oh and currently my 2nd 360 died and I just fixed it w/the towel trick. BUT HEY THE MICROSOFT QUALITY DEPARTMENT IS FLAWLESS BECAUSE IM A FANBOY!!

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and comparing a PSP review to an Xbox360 review is just flat out stupid. they have no relevance to eachother and don't take any sales from eachother, so the score of KZ:L compared to H3 is just a stupid excuse you came up with. EGM is just blunt and critical, and as someone stated above in a post, just because a game gets a 10/10 does not mean it's a perfect game. ANyone who judges a game solely off of a number is a moron anyways.