Playstation 3 Games you have to PURCHASE but you WILL NOT OWN THEM!!

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Fine.. do what you want. I still think it's a risk. I think the PS3 launch is going to be a bust.

You're an industry analyst for what company again?

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Thraxen
No, the biggest risk is your that auction doesn't even make the retail price. If you set a reserve at the retail price then you out the listings fees and still saddled with a $600 system you don't need.

Assuming he doesn't buy them out of a white van, I wager he'll just invoke this little thing called a "return policy."

Go to store A: "Hi, my preorder came in at Store B. Don't need this one."
Go to store B: "Hi, my preorder came in at Store A. Don't need this one."

Etc.

- M4H

True... you could do that. I guess you are just out fees, gas, and time then. Anyway, I think people who e-bay these things are asshats, but that's only my opinion and you are free to do whatyou want.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Thraxen
No, the biggest risk is your that auction doesn't even make the retail price. If you set a reserve at the retail price then you out the listings fees and still saddled with a $600 system you don't need.

Assuming he doesn't buy them out of a white van, I wager he'll just invoke this little thing called a "return policy."

Go to store A: "Hi, my preorder came in at Store B. Don't need this one."
Go to store B: "Hi, my preorder came in at Store A. Don't need this one."

Etc.

- M4H

True... you could do that. I guess you are just out fees, gas, and time then. Anyway, I think people who e-bay these things are asshats, but that's only my opinion and you are free to do whatyou want.

And why are we asshats again?

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Fine.. do what you want. I still think it's a risk. I think the PS3 launch is going to be a bust.

You're an industry analyst for what company again?

Did I say I was or did I say "I think"? Yeah...

Originally posted by: BigJ

And why are we asshats again?

You don't need it spelled out... or do you? Like I said, it's just my opinion.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Ah yea, they will sell out at the beginning, after that the magic 8 ball says, it doesn't look good. Also on the supply side of things, Sony may not have a very good supply from the start due to chip yield issues. How many units is the US getting at launch? 1 million, 500k?

Whatever (2million promised - #of units promised units that can't be delivered) divided by three territories is.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BigJ

And why are we asshats again?

You don't need it spelled out... or do you? Like I said, it's just my opinion.

Most of the people with this opinion are a bunch of hypocritical "asshats" who are normally just jealous they don't have the resources to do so.

 

[GeneValgene]

game over

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: BigJ


Most of the people with this opinion are a bunch of hypocritical "asshats" who are normally just jealous they don't have the resources to do so.

Make all the dumbass assumptions you want, doesn't change my opinion.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BigJ


Most of the people with this opinion are a bunch of hypocritical "asshats" who are normally just jealous they don't have the resources to do so.

Make all the dumbass assumptions you want, doesn't change my opinion.

Then go ahead and have all the dumbass opinions you want

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
True... you could do that. I guess you are just out fees, gas, and time then. Anyway, I think people who e-bay these things are asshats, but that's only my opinion and you are free to do whatyou want.

If exploiting stupid people for profit makes you an asshat, you should probably stay in your nice little hole in the ground with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears.

- M4H

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Thraxen
No, the biggest risk is your that auction doesn't even make the retail price. If you set a reserve at the retail price then you out the listings fees and still saddled with a $600 system you don't need.

Assuming he doesn't buy them out of a white van, I wager he'll just invoke this little thing called a "return policy."

Go to store A: "Hi, my preorder came in at Store B. Don't need this one."
Go to store B: "Hi, my preorder came in at Store A. Don't need this one."

Etc.

- M4H

True... you could do that. I guess you are just out fees, gas, and time then. Anyway, I think people who e-bay these things are asshats, but that's only my opinion and you are free to do whatyou want.

soo anyone who buys something and re-sales it for more is a asshat? damn. now i feel bad since i owned a business (would buy cheap and resale for more). sniff sniff.

if someone has the money to risk (yes it is a risk) and resales it on ebay and makes a killing then great. more power to them.


i think its a great idea. there is going to be a shortage onf PS3's at launch (do not think hte price is going to hurt them that bad). If i have the money extra i plan on buying one to ebay.

 

[letdown427]

I call shens on Sony. They're blatantly unleashing as much BS as they possibly can to get as much hype as possible. Everyone is talking about PS3 at the moment, yes because they think it's utter crap and overpriced etc, but they are talking about it. Admittedly it's making people fal in love with their 360 and probably buy more, but they're talking about it.

At least, for Sony's sake, I hope that's what they're trying to do.

Also, this latest "We want to fail" release from Sony, makes PS3 games illegal to give as presents does it not? If you've paid for the licence to play the game, you can't give it to someone else. Otherwise, people will just sell rent 'licences' to play PS3 games, with a free disc attached.

"Hopefully we've made sure no children will get hold of one of our consoles. But, let's make sure of that by making the games illegal to give as gifts. That should stop that nasty Chritmas profit we love."

Riiiight. I'm looking forward to seeing what they'll do. I reckon they're trolling, lol. Somehow. They're feeding us as much shock horror as they can think of. Maybe.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: waggy

i think its a great idea. there is going to be a shortage onf PS3's at launch (do not think hte price is going to hurt them that bad). If i have the money extra i plan on buying one to ebay.

Like I said, it's just my opinion. There's a difference between being an official re-seller and buying up retail stock and auctioning it off. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just makes you an asshat IMO. Anyway, who needs extra money? If you are positive about the demand then just throw a few on a credit card.


Anyway, I do think they are going to be hit hard by the price. It's simply too high. I'm a rather "hardcore" gamer myself... I've owned basically every system the last few generations on launch day. And even though I have the money, I'm skipping out on the PS3. And news like this topic doesn't help change my mind. I'll pick it up when the price drops a couple hundred dollars and there is a decent supply of games. Sony burned me too recently with the expensive PSP and it's poor line-up of games. They pulled the poor line-up thing with the PS2 in its first year too, but it also wasn't $600.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: waggy

i think its a great idea. there is going to be a shortage onf PS3's at launch (do not think hte price is going to hurt them that bad). If i have the money extra i plan on buying one to ebay.

Like I said, it's just my opinion. There's a difference between being an official re-seller and buying up retail stock and auctioning it off. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just makes you an asshat IMO. Anyway, who needs extra money? If you are positive about the demand then just throw a few on a credit card.


Anyway, I do think they are going to be hit hard by the price. It's simply too high. I'm a rather "hardcore" gamer myself... I've owned basically every system the last few generations on launch day. And even though I have the money, I'm skipping out on the PS3. And news like this topic doesn't help change my mind. I'll pick it up when the price drops a couple hundred dollars and there is a decent supply of games. Sony burned me too recently with the expensive PSP and it's poor line-up of games. They pull the poor lin-up thing with the PS2 in it's first year too, but also wasn't $600.

Thraxen actually I would like you to spell it out as to why we are asshats for doing that. I auctioned off a free 360 that I won and made a $1700 profit. I guess I should have just gave it away. (I also sold 3 more that I bought for a nice profit).

And you are 1 person which is about .000000000002 percent of the marketshare that Sony currently holds. There are probably 10x more sony fanboys than MS fanboys, and the extra $200 (over the $400 360) isn't going to stop those 10x more people from wanting to get one on launch day.

I guarantee you that the price will not hurt the launch one bit.

and they are going to "burn" many people who are excited about the PS3 just as you were about the overpriced PSP that you purchased.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
And you are 1 person which is about .000000000002 percent of the marketshare that Sony currently holds. There are probably 10x more sony fanboys than MS fanboys, and the extra $200 (over the $400 360) isn't going to stop those 10x more people from wanting to get one on launch day.

I guarantee you that the price will not hurt the launch one bit.

and they are going to "burn" many people who are excited about the PS3 just as you were about the overpriced PSP that you purchased.

We'll see. I think the price is too high for the console market. The 360 is the first system that has even done well at $400 or higher. Everything else at that price (Saturn, NeoGeo, 3DO) either busted or was nothing more than a niche machine. Granted, Sony will have a bigger line-up and better advertising, but the competition with the 360 and the Wii is going to fierce. Especially since you will be able to buy both of the competition's machines for the price of one PS3. Sony's had their 2 generations in the sun like Nintendo before them... I think they are going down this time. Too many misteps and they have lost touch with the market.

 

[conehead433]

Reminds me of something Garth Brooks claimed years ago. He thought that it should be illegal for his Cds to be sold used or that he should get a cut I guess when they were sold again.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: purbeast0
And you are 1 person which is about .000000000002 percent of the marketshare that Sony currently holds. There are probably 10x more sony fanboys than MS fanboys, and the extra $200 (over the $400 360) isn't going to stop those 10x more people from wanting to get one on launch day.

I guarantee you that the price will not hurt the launch one bit.

and they are going to "burn" many people who are excited about the PS3 just as you were about the overpriced PSP that you purchased.

We'll see. I think the price is too high for the console market. The 360 is the first system that has even done well at $400 or higher. Everything else at that price (Saturn, NeoGeo, 3DO) either busted or was nothing more than a niche machine. Granted, Sony will have a bigger line-up and better advertising, but the competition with the 360 and the Wii is going to fierce. Especially since you will be able to buy both of the competition's machines for the price of one PS3. Sony's had their 2 generations in the sun like Nintendo before them... I think they are going down this time. Too many misteps and they have lost touch with the market.

$400 back then was a lot different than $400 now a days. Also, Neo Geo games were $200 a piece. Panasonic had never had any marketshare and came out blasting with a $400 system (maybe more). Saturn was just way too expensive at the time for what it had to offer.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Queasy
So what would stores like Blockbuster and Gamefly.com do with all these PS3 discs?

I THINK what it would mean is that they would be allowed to rent them out, but prohibited from reselling them used.

Yeah, but we all know that game rentals eventually get sold used. Would Blockbuster and Gamefly.com buy as many PS3 games knowing that they would not have the opportunity to resell them? They'd be left with inventory taking up space in their warehouses/stores.

gamefly and blockbuster have a different license agreement from sony than does a regular consumer. each of those also has something that the average joe (individually) does not - market power. they'll be able to negotiate their own license agreement that will allow them to rent and possibly sell the used game, but sony will get a cut of the used sale.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: purbeast0
And you are 1 person which is about .000000000002 percent of the marketshare that Sony currently holds. There are probably 10x more sony fanboys than MS fanboys, and the extra $200 (over the $400 360) isn't going to stop those 10x more people from wanting to get one on launch day.

I guarantee you that the price will not hurt the launch one bit.

and they are going to "burn" many people who are excited about the PS3 just as you were about the overpriced PSP that you purchased.

We'll see. I think the price is too high for the console market. The 360 is the first system that has even done well at $400 or higher. Everything else at that price (Saturn, NeoGeo, 3DO) either busted or was nothing more than a niche machine. Granted, Sony will have a bigger line-up and better advertising, but the competition with the 360 and the Wii is going to fierce. Especially since you will be able to buy both of the competition's machines for the price of one PS3. Sony's had their 2 generations in the sun like Nintendo before them... I think they are going down this time. Too many misteps and they have lost touch with the market.

$400 back then was a lot different than $400 now a days. Also, Neo Geo games were $200 a piece. Panasonic had never had any marketshare and came out blasting with a $400 system (maybe more). Saturn was just way too expensive at the time for what it had to offer.

But what does Sony have to offer? Blu-ray? Your average consumer won't have a clue what that is. They will need some stellar launch titles to convince the average consumer to buy. You are thinking too much from an enthusiast standpoint.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: purbeast0
And you are 1 person which is about .000000000002 percent of the marketshare that Sony currently holds. There are probably 10x more sony fanboys than MS fanboys, and the extra $200 (over the $400 360) isn't going to stop those 10x more people from wanting to get one on launch day.

I guarantee you that the price will not hurt the launch one bit.

and they are going to "burn" many people who are excited about the PS3 just as you were about the overpriced PSP that you purchased.

We'll see. I think the price is too high for the console market. The 360 is the first system that has even done well at $400 or higher. Everything else at that price (Saturn, NeoGeo, 3DO) either busted or was nothing more than a niche machine. Granted, Sony will have a bigger line-up and better advertising, but the competition with the 360 and the Wii is going to fierce. Especially since you will be able to buy both of the competition's machines for the price of one PS3. Sony's had their 2 generations in the sun like Nintendo before them... I think they are going down this time. Too many misteps and they have lost touch with the market.

$400 back then was a lot different than $400 now a days. Also, Neo Geo games were $200 a piece. Panasonic had never had any marketshare and came out blasting with a $400 system (maybe more). Saturn was just way too expensive at the time for what it had to offer.

But what does Sony have to offer? Blu-ray? Your average consumer won't have a clue what that is. They will need some stellar launch titles to convince the average consumer to buy. You are thinking too much from an enthusiast standpoint.

since sony currently dominates the console marketshare, they don't need too much to offer. and the "average consumer" isn't going to be the one going out and buying a $600 console.

and the "average consumer" also doesn't get a console at launch either, they wait till the hype dies down and get it down the road, which again re-enforces my thoughts that the launch is going to be huge for Sony, and thereafter it will die down very quickly.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: purbeast0
And you are 1 person which is about .000000000002 percent of the marketshare that Sony currently holds. There are probably 10x more sony fanboys than MS fanboys, and the extra $200 (over the $400 360) isn't going to stop those 10x more people from wanting to get one on launch day.

I guarantee you that the price will not hurt the launch one bit.

and they are going to "burn" many people who are excited about the PS3 just as you were about the overpriced PSP that you purchased.

We'll see. I think the price is too high for the console market. The 360 is the first system that has even done well at $400 or higher. Everything else at that price (Saturn, NeoGeo, 3DO) either busted or was nothing more than a niche machine. Granted, Sony will have a bigger line-up and better advertising, but the competition with the 360 and the Wii is going to fierce. Especially since you will be able to buy both of the competition's machines for the price of one PS3. Sony's had their 2 generations in the sun like Nintendo before them... I think they are going down this time. Too many misteps and they have lost touch with the market.

$400 back then was a lot different than $400 now a days. Also, Neo Geo games were $200 a piece. Panasonic had never had any marketshare and came out blasting with a $400 system (maybe more). Saturn was just way too expensive at the time for what it had to offer.

But what does Sony have to offer? Blu-ray? Your average consumer won't have a clue what that is. They will need some stellar launch titles to convince the average consumer to buy. You are thinking too much from an enthusiast standpoint.

What did Sony offer at the PS2 launch? Crap, Promises, Crap and more Crap. Still sold like hotcakes off a naked woman's belly.

Sony is in a position now where they can sell on name alone. It may be tougher with a $500/$600 console but it will still sell. Not to me though...I've got better things to do with my money.

 

[j00fek]

another reason why sony blows

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

and the "average consumer" also doesn't get a console at launch either, they wait till the hype dies down and get it down the road, which again re-enforces my thoughts that the launch is going to be huge for Sony, and thereafter it will die down very quickly.

You might be right. Sort of like the Dreamcast. I guess it depends on much of the "hardcore" audience there is that is willing to shell out $600. I still have my doubts though. Sony has burned a lot of people. I know one guy that is on his 5th PS2. Sony also burned a lot of people with the PSP. Consumers will only take so much.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
if this == true
{
sony.harakari();
}

- M4H

fixed

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Queasy

What did Sony offer at the PS2 launch? Crap, Promises, Crap and more Crap. Still sold like hotcakes off a naked woman's belly.

Sony is in a position now where they can sell on name alone. It may be tougher with a $500/$600 console but it will still sell. Not to me though...I've got better things to do with my money.

Exactly my point. But Sony sold the PS2 off the hype earned from the PSOne. But now people have been burned multiple times by Sony... from the bad PS2 systems and lack of games at launch to the PSP with it's horrendous lack of games. You mearly need to look at Sega to see what happens after multiple misteps.