Playstation 2 Ethics - do you think this is wrong?

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TheHinesCat

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It's certainly wrong to make the retailer eat the cost of the repair--even though they won't be paying to fix the unit, they will certainly incur costs by storing and shipping the defective unit (unless that's taken care of by the manufacturer--is it? I dunno).

Before taking this course of action because you feel like you're being ripped off, why not argue your case to Sony? I had a PS2 go bad on me after 6 months (wouldn't read games, just dvds) and, after telling the technical service rep that I hadn't mishandled the unit, that I believed the unit was defective, and that I would not pay to repair the unit, and I'd be happy to give my gaming dollar to their competitors if they didn't want to back their products, they relented and said they would fix it AND give me a renewed 90 day warranty. Of course, you can get result by making the retailer do the work for you--but nothing beats the moral satisfaction you will receive from having the manufacturer come around to your point of view.

If you wanna try this, here are some tips:

1) gather evidence--look for reports of people who are having the same problem as you. If you ask the tech rep if there has been a recall or if their product was experiencing a high failure rate, he/she will almost certainly deny it. You can then hit that person with the evidence.

2) Remain calm. Nothing feels better than venting your frustrations by yelling--BUT--you will make a much stronger case if you remain calm and state your point using logic, not anger. Remember that the tech rep isn't Sony, just a person who works for the company.

3) Stay strong--if you can't get them to service the unit without the repair cost, ask them to send you notification of their decision in writing. They will almost certainly refuse, but this gives you the opportunity to escalate the stakes. Tell them something like "I have evidence that suggests there is a high failure rate among these units, and, in light of the situation, if I can't get satisfaction from you...you leave me no recourse but to pursue other avenues." You know what that is--contact the attorney general of your state, um...write a letter to Ashcroft...um...I dunno--hey, if the problems are as bad as I've read about, you could initiate a lawsuit and seek class action status. Or you could just give up PS2 and find a girlfriend. And when you're done with that...find one for me...please?
 

spaceman

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screw em! Wal Mart etc/ should get credit for the unit.

Sony gave me(my work) the hugest hassle about a $1,000+ digicam that crapped after a month.


It took forever to get it back,and was far less than pleasant wading thru SOny's support system.


if my ps2 died,id do the exact same thing.
 
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Just out of curiousity, who winds up paying for a defective item that is returned within the Warranty period? The manufacturer, right?
 

Thegonagle

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Sony makes a hella lot of cheap crap these days. I try to avoid their products if I can.

The store does not suffer (except for shipping/trucking costs) when you do this, as long as you tell them it's defective. It gets sent back to Sony for credit and they deal with it.
 

Siva

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I think the store would just send it back to Sony for a refund and not take a hit at all. Doesn't seem too unethical then, considering how much Sony SUCKS for putting a 90-day warranty on such an expensive piece of hardware. Even so I wouldn't do, cause i'm a wuss.
 

911paramedic

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If a company will only stand behind their product for 90 days, screw them. Workmanship is a thing of the past I am afraid.

"I can sh|t in a box and put a warranty on it if you want, but it is still a piece of sh|t" Tommy Boy
 

royaldank

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You want to know if it's right?

Do this to find out. Go to Walmart and then walk up to customer service. Tell the manager there your plans to buy a new one, swap it with your defective unit at home, and then bring it back for a refund. I'm sure he'll let you know if that is wrong or not.

If it crapped out after the 90 warranty (or whatever Walmart's period is), then complain to Sony.

If you don't like Sony's warranty, don't buy their products. Or go to EB and get an extended warranty from them. Had you done this, you would have a new unit as soon as you visit the mall.
 

GermyBoy

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I've done that. Just be sure to peel the Serial code off and switch them. some lighter fluid helps get it off, and some super glue helps get it on. ;-)
 

mrCide

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its really a moral issue IMO. it's not going to drive up the cost (cmon guys, give me a break, dont you realize people always do this?) because they're screwing you in the first place with a shady warranty, and it barely touches the retailer (ooh trucking/shipping costs..). let sony deal with it.

or next time buy it with an amex blue :)
 

crypticlogin

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Feb 6, 2001
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Surprised this isn't locked yet... heaven knows there have been similar threads that had half the lifetime of this one.
 

dude8604

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<< you cant do that. the barcode when you buy a console nowadays is the barcode directly on the console itself. there is a little opening on the box to do this. i think thats how it was for my PS2. i know it was like that for my GBA. >>



That's true...it's not even possible. Unless you can switch the barcode stickers...;)
 

b0mbrman

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<< Hypothetical situation.
You buy a Playstation 2 from a store with a good return policy, like Wal-Mart or Target.
It dies after the 90-day warranty from Sony is up.
The repair cost from Sony is around $120.
You buy another PS/2 from the same store, put the defective one in the box, and return it to get your money back, telling them it is defective so it does not go back on the shelf.
Right, or wrong?
>>


You better believe it's wrong...but I'm sure lots of people will rationalize it because it's a convenient thing to do :)
 

dude

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Oct 16, 1999
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It is really wrong for Sony to put a 90 day warranty for their systems.

What you can do is if you paid by credit card is to hassle your card company and have them take care of it. That's what their job is. That's why they charge you crazy APR's. Just remember to pay your bill at the end of each month. ;)

Most card companies will give you an extra year exteded warranty after the manufacture warranty ends anyways.

 

d1abolic

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SONY is so full of sh1t. I can imagine how they arrived at this:

"We have the highest defect ratio in the industry!"
"So what do we do? Improve the quality of our products?"
"Nah, lower the warranty and make 200% profit on repairs!"

$200 for the PS2 motherboard? Come on! They are paying what, $50 for it? Plus money to the techs to install it. So in the end we're talking 250% profit off repairs. So not only do they screw you with a crappy product and crappy warranty, but they also cash in large when you send it in for repairs.