PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds

[IndyColtsFan]

I've heard this - I've never encountered a cheater at all on EU servers in 160+ hours of gameplay.

Last night, I watched friends play and they got killed from nowhere and were in the middle of a bunch of pipes and machinery. They watched the deathcam. The guys who killed them were so far away that you literally could not see my friends and you definitely could not make them out between all the pipes and garbage they were in. This guy had a red dot, just aimed in the general area, and killed them. Definitely aimbotting.

 

[Rifter]

So how bad is the cheating really?

I had a buddy who lived and breathed PUBG for months and months, im talking 4+ hours play time a day. He was hassling me to play with him at least once a week since last summer. I was holding out for a sale.

Fast forward to last week i finally told him ill buy even full price and give it a shot and he tells me not to bother he doesnt play anymore. I was so confused, he had previously said he was going to play this game long term, likely for years. He said it was the cheating, that it had gotten so out of hand that he estimated 10-20% or more of the players in every game were cheating. He said the devs have no clue how to handle cheaters and arnt doing anything about them and they ruined the game.

Is he just being a drama queen or is it really that bad?

 

[Harrod]

So how bad is the cheating really?

I had a buddy who lived and breathed PUBG for months and months, im talking 4+ hours play time a day. He was hassling me to play with him at least once a week since last summer. I was holding out for a sale.

Fast forward to last week i finally told him ill buy even full price and give it a shot and he tells me not to bother he doesnt play anymore. I was so confused, he had previously said he was going to play this game long term, likely for years. He said it was the cheating, that it had gotten so out of hand that he estimated 10-20% or more of the players in every game were cheating. He said the devs have no clue how to handle cheaters and arnt doing anything about them and they ruined the game.

Is he just being a drama queen or is it really that bad?

In the past 2 weeks it has gotten pretty bad. I'm not sure if you saw my post a few days ago, but it sucks playing a game where you drop into a map, gather supplies for a few minutes. Then get killed by someone with a name that is a bunch of random chracters. I've only seen the aimbotters twice in the game. The ones that happen to know where everything is on the maps seems to be more prevalent.

On top of all of that, there are cheats available where the seller is giving away free keys to the game with purchase.

I do plan on playing the game long term, but it's just not worth it at this point unless they can get this issue fixed.

I feel that someone else is going to make a very similar game to this, without these issues, that most players will end up migrating to.

 

[DigDog]

cheating in videogames : everything you need to know.

back in the days, specifically games like quake, people found that you could bork your video settings and the GPU would not render the walls. This was the first PvP hack, now known as wallhack. Hacking single-players videogames existed since forever, and exploiting faults in the system was almost considered an art, integral to the gameplay. As such, at this stage "cheating" was considered "being smart".

The various quake/UT/CS 1.6 communities, who began the eSports movement, did not take lightly to this, and went down hard on any sort of cheating or exploiting.
This is about the time that aimbots started happening.

When later WOW exploded in popularity and everyone and their dog became a "gamer", the VAST number of casual gamers made fertile ground for cheat developers; gold cheats, macros, ESP, radar, trading hacks, more or less the whole set of hacks existing today. This due without a doubt to the number of casuals who had no concept of eSports "fairplay" and who were willing to pay money for ingame gold.
the massively successful F2P/P2W Combat Arms also contributed immensely to the cheating panorama by catering to idiots who would win with their wallets.


CHEATING TODAY:

there are two kind of games, broadly speaking, when it comes to cheating: company controlled, and community controlled.

if you go today into quake and cheat, you will IMMEDIATELY be kicked, banned from that server, and within a couple of days max your account will be suspended.
this is because 1. players have enough experience to tell straight away that you are hacking. 2. there is a votekick system in place that everyone uses on a regular basis (and no, it doesn't generate drama). 3. the servers / lobbies are privately owned and have admins in-game. 4. the management relies on external, community-driven organizations (such as ESReality) to confirm hackers and will ban anyone confirmed.
for a hacker, life in quake is impossible. you won't last half an hour before you are banned from every server in existence.

there are very few games like quake and those who are like quake generally last long and are profitable. and the closer a game is to this community-owned system, the more they tend to prosper.

on the other hand, in company-owned games, the situation is vaaaastly more complex.
1. banning hackers means that other hackers know their hack is vulnerable.
2. hackers are profitable; people buy new accounts to use a hack, which they would not if that hack was known as vulnerable.
3. there is more population, therefore more money, therefore more invested into making superior hacks.
4. there is a vastly more casual population that cannot be trusted with a votekick + ban feature. i have been kicked ZERO times from quake. i have been kicked countless times from Blacklight (a CoD-clone) for "hacking". as the game operator, you will be flooded by reports of hacking, mostly false, which means there is no way to monitor the population.

end of part 1.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Last night I dropped into a game and 4 people were swimming through the air on top of a building. I shot 2 of them, and one did a spinning drop kick on me which took half my health before i shot him. That...was interesting, but I didn't consider it cheating just some people hacking and having fun...at least at that time.

Later I was in a squad game with 2 other chinese people. We got pretty far (not really playing together until the end). I died and I spectated the other 2. One of them sure seemed to have some sort of botting, but not perfect. There were many moments he was shooting people I couldn't even see on the screen even with his scope, but he wasn't one shotting anyone. They did end up winning the match though.

 

[DigDog]

part 2 of everything you need to know about H4xx05z

see, the thing is that you are always going to have cheating, if more or less is based on the population and ownership. The closer both are to eSports, on in general viewing cheating as the worst thing a human being can do, the less cheaters you'll have. The closer they are to casuals, the more hackers will be allowed to run rampant; this is because, in the end, casuals will cry and stomp their feet at a cheater but they don't actually HATE them, and often they will resort to cheating themselves.

I collaborated for two years on a website trying to police Blacklight, a community-driven blacklist of known hackers, and i absolutely hate hackers, i'm going full nazi on them. From the guy who laughs at breaking your game, to the guy who buys hacks specifically to hurt people "because it makes me feel good", they all without fault ... erm.. MOST of them show zero empathy; they don't care if what they do is wrong, they dont care if people cry, they just do not register the emotions they cause exactly like psychopaths.
Then there's a bunch of retarded kids who genuinely see buying hacks the same way that they see paying for a DLC. And then you get some frustrated idiots who think EVERYONE is hacking because they cannot hold a mouse.

The problem isn't the infection, but rather the petri dish, which allows for easy proliferation of professional hack makers. And you cannot fight this, because the per-player profit of the owner company simply does not allow for policing of the population.

 

[Rifter]

Thanls DigDog. If im reading your responses correctly then this "And you cannot fight this, because the per-player profit of the owner company simply does not allow for policing of the population."

Means i should stay well away from PUBG as it will be a hacker haven.

Guess thats ok ill save some cash and headache.

Now i know why my buddy is so pissed, he had a huge time investment into this game just to have it go full retard on him.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Thanls DigDog. If im reading your responses correctly then this "And you cannot fight this, because the per-player profit of the owner company simply does not allow for policing of the population."

Means i should stay well away from PUBG as it will be a hacker haven.

Guess thats ok ill save some cash and headache.

Now i know why my buddy is so pissed, he had a huge time investment into this game just to have it go full retard on him.

I play PUBG because I want to be scared to move. I take the long run, jump on the outskirts and fight the long fight to get to the top. I love the paranoia from crossing open fields, etc.

Knowing there might be a super player with xray vision just drives that home and makes me play that much more carefully.

Basically, I've just kind of accepted it and factor the risk in with my gameplay. I'm ok with it and hope they can iron things out for the better.

 

[quikah]

Hacking is more of an issue with PUBG than the usual games because of the dead and your out nature of the game.

Has the same issue cropped up in Fortnite?

You could always go the Xbox route if hacking is that much of an issue. It is pretty rough at the moment, but playable.

 

[HumblePie]

So how bad is the cheating really?

I had a buddy who lived and breathed PUBG for months and months, im talking 4+ hours play time a day. He was hassling me to play with him at least once a week since last summer. I was holding out for a sale.

Fast forward to last week i finally told him ill buy even full price and give it a shot and he tells me not to bother he doesnt play anymore. I was so confused, he had previously said he was going to play this game long term, likely for years. He said it was the cheating, that it had gotten so out of hand that he estimated 10-20% or more of the players in every game were cheating. He said the devs have no clue how to handle cheaters and arnt doing anything about them and they ruined the game.

Is he just being a drama queen or is it really that bad?

I don't play the game, but many people I know do. Friend was complaining that in one game as he was dropping someone else had managed to teleport to the ground, picked up a gun, and killed everyone off before they finished landing from the parachute drop. So the game was literally over before it started with the cheater winning in a minute. He said, that while bad, at least it was over with quickly. He said it's worse when you spend 20 minutes in a game to have some asshat with the hack waiting until near then end and then instant killing everyone else on the map no matter where they are.

Welcome to online gaming. There are always people cheating. ALWAYS. It is far more prevalent than most people think. If you think it's about 10% of the player base or less, it probably is closer to 40-50%.

 

[pj-]

I haven't encountered any obvious cheaters but I haven't played much so I might be getting matchmade with other scrubs.

The worst part about the game to me is non-english speakers (mostly chinese i am assuming) screaming into their mics and racist americans insulting them in return. Why am I playing with people in China when I'm on the NA server?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yea, it's just something you learn to live with. Honestly it isn't a HUGE problem. In most cases you'll die to normal players long before you encounter a hacker. And there will always be instances where you get owned by someone who is just much better than you. I do think the deathcam does help give you some clarity on what is really hacking and what is just you not being as aware of your surroundings as you think you are.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I haven't encountered any obvious cheaters but I haven't played much so I might be getting matchmade with other scrubs.

The worst part about the game to me is non-english speakers (mostly chinese i am assuming) screaming into their mics and racist americans insulting them in return. Why am I playing with people in China when I'm on the NA server?

Not sure about everyone else..but I always had the chat shut off, so I've NEVER had to deal with it. I completely forgot it even existed.

Recently though I started playing squad games.I turn on team chat only, and it is INSANE how many chinese there are. 95% of my games are all chinese people. Some speak english some don't...but aside from a couple games, I've never had issues with them and if there's some noisy guy who won't shut up etc, I just mute the chat. Although when I do run into english speaking people, we will friend up and team for squads.

 

[ImpulsE69]

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I collaborated for two years on a website trying to police Blacklight, a community-driven blacklist of known hackers, and i absolutely hate hackers, i'm going full nazi on them. From the guy who laughs at breaking your game, to the guy who buys hacks specifically to hurt people "because it makes me feel good", they all without fault ... erm.. MOST of them show zero empathy; they don't care if what they do is wrong, they dont care if people cry, they just do not register the emotions they cause exactly like psychopaths.
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This is an exercise in futility. Local server based gaming as you mentioned above is/was the best policing solution. Unfortunately, those days are mostly gone (and maybe not unfortunately...be nice to maybe have the option right?).

 

[TechBoyJK]

nice thing about the chat is you can talk shit to people in real time during the game.. even right after you kill someone.

was playing a squad match and I was the last one standing.. until I got mowed down as well. One of the opposing players came over and basically teabagged me while saying in broken english 'where are your friends now?' while shooting into my corpse for good measure

 

[pj-]

Not sure about everyone else..but I always had the chat shut off, so I've NEVER had to deal with it. I completely forgot it even existed.

Recently though I started playing squad games.I turn on team chat only, and it is INSANE how many chinese there are. 95% of my games are all chinese people. Some speak english some don't...but aside from a couple games, I've never had issues with them and if there's some noisy guy who won't shut up etc, I just mute the chat. Although when I do run into english speaking people, we will friend up and team for squads.

I thought about muting the chat but then last night I killed a guy as he was coming out of a house and heard him deliver the loudest and angriest "FUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK" I've ever heard in my life. I laughed for 5 minutes.

My concern with chinese players is mostly the pings. Also I don't know what the chinese F word is so I don't know how angry they are when I kill them.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

So how bad is the cheating really?

I had a buddy who lived and breathed PUBG for months and months, im talking 4+ hours play time a day. He was hassling me to play with him at least once a week since last summer. I was holding out for a sale.

Fast forward to last week i finally told him ill buy even full price and give it a shot and he tells me not to bother he doesnt play anymore. I was so confused, he had previously said he was going to play this game long term, likely for years. He said it was the cheating, that it had gotten so out of hand that he estimated 10-20% or more of the players in every game were cheating. He said the devs have no clue how to handle cheaters and arnt doing anything about them and they ruined the game.

Is he just being a drama queen or is it really that bad?

I have played 20 or so matches over the last few days. Only killed once by a cheater. So in my opinion it is not too bad. Though others seem to have much worse luck.

 

[HumblePie]

I have played 20 or so matches over the last few days. Only killed once by a cheater. So in my opinion it is not too bad. Though others seem to have much worse luck.

The problem is that you've probably been killed more than once by a cheater, or had cheaters in multiple games that didn't specifically kill you, but were certainly cheating. They were just not being blatant about it. Most cheaters try to be sneaky about it and don't make everyone think they are cheating. So they get an edge and hope no one is the wiser. So unless you know what to look for and were lucky enough to witness a cheater, you probably didn't notice the "good" cheaters. I mean good in that they are good at hiding their cheating.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

I still don't understand why this game is so popular, so I looked into it since I seem to be losing a lot of gaming buddies to it recently.

Hunger Games, Arma Multiplayer mod style.

Nope. Not in any way interested in playing.

Seems to be the most popular game in China which explains why you guys see so many Chinese playing. If I'm reading the graph right, 79% of players in the past 2 weeks have played the game:http://steamspy.com/country/CN

 

[Stg-Flame]

I have played 20 or so matches over the last few days. Only killed once by a cheater. So in my opinion it is not too bad. Though others seem to have much worse luck.

HumblePie is right. Hell, there's a map hack available on a public download site with over 150,000 downloads. It was recently linked on the Steam discussions, so I'm sure it will be removed eventually, but to already have 150k downloads is pretty bad. People might not be using NoClip and aimbots, but there are plenty of people who use cheats that you can't readily see.

Glad I didn't buy this because I've seen a lot of people on my friend's list get 400+ hours in this game and have stopped due to the rampant cheating.

I still don't understand why this game is so popular, so I looked into it since I seem to be losing a lot of gaming buddies to it recently.

Battle Royal games are the current flavor of the month. If that's not your cup of tea, just go play something you enjoy and make new gaming buddies.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I still don't understand why this game is so popular, so I looked into it since I seem to be losing a lot of gaming buddies to it recently.

Hunger Games, Arma Multiplayer mod style.

Nope. Not in any way interested in playing.

Seems to be the most popular game in China which explains why you guys see so many Chinese playing. If I'm reading the graph right, 79% of players in the past 2 weeks have played the game:http://steamspy.com/country/CN

It's an excellent game overall. I pretty much quit playing FPS games and I hate ARMA. I got into The Culling a few years ago for a time but they ruined that game. This game is actually a great amount of fun and addictive in the 'just one more round' way.

 

[HumblePie]

HumblePie is right. Hell, there's a map hack available on a public download site with over 150,000 downloads. It was recently linked on the Steam discussions, so I'm sure it will be removed eventually, but to already have 150k downloads is pretty bad. People might not be using NoClip and aimbots, but there are plenty of people who use cheats that you can't readily see.

Glad I didn't buy this because I've seen a lot of people on my friend's list get 400+ hours in this game and have stopped due to the rampant cheating.


Battle Royal games are the current flavor of the month. If that's not your cup of tea, just go play something you enjoy and make new gaming buddies.

This is the reason I don't do online first person shooters at all. They are always full of cheaters. ALWAYS. Been like that since the original doom/quake/unreal days. Hasn't changed.

Truth be told, it's prevalent in any online competitive game. Which is why I don't try to take online games too seriously. Still, I find playing shooters online way to frustrating when playing against cheaters. It doesn't take much of an advantage to dominate if the player is already decently good.


To let you know, most good triggerbots/wallhacks/and cheats will always be undetectable as they use the video card interface to do everything. They don't actually hack or touch the game code/memory at all. So the game can't detect them.

How an undetectable map cheat works is by drawing an overlay through the video card of sniffed out internet packet info it intercepts coming in to the game. Meaning such players may be able to see data other players can't because the game doesn't normally display this info. This is a typical map/fog of war cheat.

Wallhacks change the way the video card draws walls and colluding objects. They can either show part of a moving object behind a wall, or draw something else on top of the wall around a moving object. Either lets the player know something is beyond the walls they normally shouldn't be able to see.

Triggerbots scan the actual screen draw code and figure out objects the player wants to shoot. They aren't as accurate as native aimbots, but they are pretty darn close. They are also undetectable.

Those 3 examples of powerful first person shooter cheats are the typical cheats that most cheaters get away with. They can NEVER be detected by the gaming software so they will never be banned for using them since they don't in anyway touch the game memory or code.

There are other more powerful, and usually more blatant, cheating hacks that do make use of actually hacking the game memory or code. These can be detected, although good cheater code writers are going to make it very difficult ad continually update their code to avoid detection. Still the top three types of cheats I listed above have been around for a very long time and are very safe to use. Which is why people use them a lot. Which is why I say a large portion of the player population of most online shooters are typically cheating in some way.

 

[DigDog]

Means i should stay well away from PUBG as it will be a hacker haven.

i'm telling you what is likely to happen, but i'm not telling you it will happen 100% guaranteed.

conscentious game owners can mitigate the problem. the real question is, how do you feel about hackers.

if you are like me, one hacker can send me in a nerd rage. i wasn't kidding when i say i hate them, elect me to supreme power and i will have spammers and hackers put to death. But, i'm not saying "PUBG will be so hack-infested that it will be impossible to have fun".

Rather, what i'm 101% confident of, PUBG will be impossible to play AT A HIGH SKILL LEVEL because that kind of game attracts hackers aplenty and a simple radar hack or ESP hack is too hard to detect in that type of game.

In Quake, you simply cannot get away with hacks, ESP is useless, and wallhack is fairly easily spotted, more so when people have 20 years of experience in the game and are absolute maniacs for quake.

Also, hax are useless against people who are better than a bot. Quake relies more on prediction projectile weapons rather than hitscan weapons, and also massively on movement, like UT, so 1337Pr0 > hacker .

i wouldn't want to play PUBG with waay too much effort and then rage because someone killed me and then have my brain eroded by the thought "omg, was he a hacker? he must have been a hacker! am i going insane?"

i play Survarium, i get instakilled from someone on the other side of the map, but i still know he's not hacking, because the developers of that game are absolutely ruthless in eradicating hackers, and there is a self-policing system in place that makes it almost impossible for anyone to hack for more than 2-3 rounds and not be banned.

in CSGO .. it's another story ...

 

[Feneant2]

I played 5-6 matches today and do quite well because I'm learning to camp, etc. But looking at who killed me today, what I notice that is odd is most of them have little to no recoil. It's weird how they have the same weapons I do but their recoil is about 10x less. There were no obvious cheats such as knowing where I was or aimbotting but barely any recoil- which for all I know is 'cheating lite'.

On another note, one way I've found to have less cheaters is I play on the Asia server. I have yet to run into any obvious cheats, finished in the top 10 on 3 occasions and other than little recoil, the guys who killed me just happened to run into me in the much smaller circle.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

I look at death cams most of the time, and sometimes it seems like I get hit while someone's sights were noticeably off to one side of me or the other. It didn't look like they were using an aimbot, so, is this a problem with the deathcam not properly reflecting the realities of latency, is the hitregistration too forgiving, or what?