Plant downtime jumps almost 70 percent as production far outpaces demand for U.S. autos.

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The workers are sent home -- where they receive nearly full pay. The assembly line grinds to a halt. And the auto plant goes dark, often for weeks at a time.

It's a new sign of the times in the U.S. auto industry, where excess vehicles and sliding market share have left the Big Three with the capability to build far more vehicles than they can sell.

So far this year, North American factories operated by Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group have logged 210 weeks of downtime. plants were idle 125 weeks all of last year.

The numbers tell a story that has an unhappy ending for the U.S. autoworker. Both GM and Ford are preparing to announce plans to close plants and cut thousands of jobs in an effort to bring factory capacity back in line with demand.

"It's been going for a very long time and will continue until overcapacity is removed from the system," said Global Insight analyst Catherine Madden.

The increase downtime has affected everything from Dodge Viper output in Detroit and Chevy SSR production in Lansing to SUV plants in Michigan, Texas, Wisconsin, Delaware, Oklahoma and Ohio.

The situation is actually worse than the numbers suggest. In some cases, automakers will idle one shift at an assembly plant, which doesn't count as a down week.

Dave Mackens, an assembly line worker at DaimlerChrysler's Warren Truck Assembly plant, said his factory has officially been closed four weeks this year, but he and other workers have been idled for nearly 13 weeks.

"This is the most I've ever been off," said Mackens, who has spent a decade on the line for Chrysler.

The factory downtime is the result of several converging issues:

? GM and Ford are losing market share at alarming rates.

? Contracts with the United Auto Workers don't allow Detroit's Big Three to close plants at will.

? And not all plants are flexible enough to build other models if sales fall for a certain car or truck.

Once vehicle inventories rise, plant idling often is the only option. That was the situation early this year, said Mike Jackson, an analyst with CSM Worldwide.

He said Detroit automakers began 2005 with huge inventories. GM had the largest stockpile. Ultimately, the company offered deep discounts such as employee pricing to the masses to clear excess inventory. http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0511/14/A01-381084.htm
 

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while its going to suck for all the workers I think the only choice GM/Ford have is bankruptcy to get them selfs free from the unions. otherwise I just don't see them being able to keep there head above water
 

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the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.



I would have no problem buying a new ford or gm. GM has had very good initial quality the last several years.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.

I wouldn't. Just because your brother's best friends sister had a lemon Escort in 1989 doesn't mean that they are bad cars now. The last time my Dad had a lemon Domestic was in the 70s.
 

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Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.

I bought a 2005 Pontiac G6 GT in June.
Before that I owned a 2002 Pontiac Grand Am that never gave me any trouble.
 

spaceman

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i like some of the styling of the newer model small domestic autos, but when it comes time to put my money where my mouth is..ill go with the import.
the perceived unreliability is possibly unwarranted or just overstated..but time and again its the 1st thing i hear people bring up when discussing purchasing one.

im no mechanic, but i know several and while they do rave about certain full size trucks from gm and ford(never hear much good about dodge) they never have a good thing to say about domestic cars.
 

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I'm thinking more people are economically minded to buy a used car. Get one with under 20,000 miles on it and it will be practically brand new, possily still under warranty, and being cheaper than a new car.
 

spaceman

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.

I bought a 2005 Pontiac G6 GT in June.
Before that I owned a 2002 Pontiac Grand Am that never gave me any trouble.

why would you anticipate problems with a 2002 model?i would hope it still functions perfectly.

 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: Shadowknight
I'm thinking more people are economically minded to buy a used car. Get one with under 20,000 miles on it and it will be practically brand new, possily still under warranty, and being cheaper than a new car.

You are completely naive if you believe that. Most people prefer new cars to used ones. There is no other reason you see so many Aveos and Kias driving around.
 

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Originally posted by: ncircle
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.

I bought a 2005 Pontiac G6 GT in June.
Before that I owned a 2002 Pontiac Grand Am that never gave me any trouble.

why would you anticipate problems with a 2002 model?i would hope it still functions perfectly.
I didn't anticipate problems. My point is that I have no problem buying GM cars. I only kept my Grand AM up to 50,000 miles but I didn't have any trouble with it. I sold it because I wanted the G6, not because of problems.
 

spaceman

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.

I wouldn't. Just because your brother's best friends sister had a lemon Escort in 1989 doesn't mean that they are bad cars now. The last time my Dad had a lemon Domestic was in the 70s.

my 92 ranger was a junk sub 100k
my gfs 2001 focus is days away from being traded in with under 80k, while it hsnt had any major problems it has recurring problems with the ignition and has been in for i dont know how many recalls silent and otherwise.
my friends 2004 neons tranny is sh!tting the bed with 13k on it.


 

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Detroit needs to take the lead in innovation. Stop sitting on their rears while Japan comes out with the latest technology/features. Chrysler lead the minivan market, and now? Its Honda. Who was the first to make hybirds popular? Sure as hell wasn't Detroit.
 

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Originally posted by: ncircle
the average consumer doesnt trust these automobiles/or there are more desirable models at similar prices offered from foreign automakers.


how many people can honestly tell me they would feel good about buying any brand new ford/chevy/dodge car? im not talking about the exotics...but simply for a commuter car?

i sure as hell wouldnt and wont.

I wouldn't have a problem buying a ford/chevy/dodge. Heck the new Aveo (sp?) gets 35 mpg and would make a good commuter car. That being said I would not buy a new ford/chevy/dodge because they depreciate so bad. The reason they depreciate is because so many thousands of dollars for each car goes to pay health insurance and pay for idle workers. New cars fromt eh big 3 should be a bargain, but they are not.
 

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i don't know about the reliablility issues being the biggest issue, maybe it would if i put more research into domestics when I bought my car. the fact is i NEVER did any research because no domestic cars even appealed to me except the mustang gt.

if domestic producers get make people want to look at their cars that will be a huge step.
 

CaptnKirk

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Anyone even think that reducing the cars to a realistic price instead of keeping them inflated might help them sell ?

Instead of paying the employees to styy home, why not keep them working and offer the
$30,000 Junkmobiles for $ 10,000 to $ 15,000.
 

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The reliability problems may well be behind them, but they never should have let themselves get that reputation in the first place if they wanted to compete long term. Its a short road to lose public favor, and a long road to get it back.
 

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
i don't know about the reliablility issues being the biggest issue, maybe it would if i put more research into domestics when I bought my car. the fact is i NEVER did any research because no domestic cars even appealed to me except the mustang gt.

if domestic producers get make people want to look at their cars that will be a huge step.

BS.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

tastes change and are often dictated by madison avenue. where fashions are concerned most people are sheep.

shoot, i think many of the domestics look good. i think the avalanche with all the body armor looks great. that a lot of atoters say the new avalanche looks like a honda ridgeline shows you just how brainwashed most of you jap fanboys are. the avalanche and the sporttrac before it were around WAYYYY before the ridgeline.

bottom line, any of you that say you prefer foreign cars due to looks are just playing into the hype. if you say you prefer it do to quality, ok, that i can buy as toyota and honda have had better track records (and no, nissan has not had such a great track record).

i personally own 2 american vehicles, Olds Intrigue and Ford Windstar and for their respective classes i think both automobiles are very good looking.