Planning a trip to Europe help!

supesman

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I"m planning on going to europe this summer but i have no idea how to plan it out. My friends and I have decided on going to these countries:

Ireland, England, Spain, Italy, France, Sweden, Czech Republic

What type of train should we take? There are so many different ones that I"m getting confused. We're planning on going for around 3 weeks. Will that be enough time to see all these countries?
 

Rarr

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If you want to have relaxing vacation, that doesn't make you stressed-out, I would not advise that you see all of those countries in a three week trip.

France, is my personal favorite. Try touring some of the chaeteus in the Loire Valley.

England and Ireland were not my favorites. But, If you do go to England, you can take the EuroStar across the channel to Paris. It is a nice train ride and lets you fit Paris into a three week trip. You can take a ferry ride to Ireland from Wales- Cork, and Dublin are pretty cool, try to visit Blarney Castle.

Italy is a good country for a three week trip- I took a trip starting in Rome, trained to Florence and then to Venice in three weeks. It was great, not too hectic. You can easily spend five days in each city.

Spain was alright, I found Barcelona to be the most interesting city that I visited. You can visit Gibraltor, the rock is an interesting visit. The Alhambra castle is beautiful. And, if you have the chance, take a day trip to Figueres in North eastern spain to visit the Salvador Dali museum- it is phenominal.

Try to stick with a relaxed route though. You can always go back. Good luck!:)
 

luv2chill

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Hi,

First of all I think it's great that you're taking this trip. I took a similar trip a year and a half ago (college graduation present) and it is perhaps the single best thing I've ever done. I had so much fun, and at the same time got a real and genuine appreciation for how things work over there. I was gone six weeks, but I saw a hell of a lot during that time.

I'd be more than happy to share my advice with you, but you need to decide what cities you want to see in each of those countries, and how you want to divide up your time. If you have no idea, first thing you should do (do it regardless) is pick up a guide book. The best are made by Lonely Planet or Let's Go (mainly geared for younger people rather than old fogies :)). You will take this book with you on your trip too, but it can be a very helpful planning guide as well.

I assume you're in North America, so you will be flying into one of those countries. I suggest London, England or Paris France, just because you're probably likely to get the cheapest fares that way... hopefully you want to visit both of those cities (I highly recommend both). So whatever city you fly into, start your trip there and spend however many days. The countries you want to visit are pretty far apart (Sweden versus Italy, for instance) so you may want to look at whether flying to some of them would be a better option.

If you're going to take more than a few train trips, then it's usually worthwhile to get a rail pass. You can check out the various options at Rail Connection. You'll just need to sit down in front of a map of Europe and map out the best route to see all of those countries.

Another site you should definitely have is EuroTrip. As well as normal site content, they have a message board with a wealth of good info. Using the search function there, I was able to get a lot of great info I wouldn't have found otherwise.

I hope you're planning to backpack and stay in hostels, because as well as the cheapest and easiest option, it's also the best way to go when you're young. I wouldn't have done it any other way. About hostels though, they vary in how nice they are. You will find good hostel recommendations at Eurotrip and in the guidebook you will pick up shortly (right?). You're going during the summer, which is good weather-wise, but a couple of problems are that Europe's tourism is at its busiest during the summer months, and also, many Europeans get time off in the summer and so some shops may be closed. But I went in August and early September and was okay for the most part. One piece of advice which I hope you will take (learn from my mistake) is to book hostel reservations at least a few days before you arrive in a city (if not all at once beforehand). When we got to Paris (our first stop after London), we got in at 18:00 (better learn your military time--that's all they use over there:)) and started frantically calling hostels... every single one in our guidebook was full up. We had to stay in a hotel the first night, and then were able to get accomodations for a hostel for the rest of our stay. As if once was not enough... had the same problem in Venice. Unfortunately, Venice doesn't have many hostels... so even though I arrived early enough in the day, they were still all full. I ended up staying in a hotel room for three days there.

So, bottom line is plan, plan, plan. Deviating from your plans once you get there is one thing (I got drunk with some new friends and ended up accidentally missing my train from Munich to Berlin... had to go a day later... haha), but at least you have your plan in place if you need it. If you need to change your hostel reservations, most places will do that no problem with a day's notice.

Like I said, get a nice, comfortable backpack, and a smaller daypack, and that's it. Pack them well, but don't overpack. I guarantee you will take more than you need, but try to pare it down as much as possible. Your shoulders will thank you later.

I'd be happy to answer any other questions here or via PM or whatever. Just ask away. Of the countries you listed, I've only been to two of them (England [London and York] and Italy [Venice, Rome, and Florence]) so I won't be much help on what you should do and see in the other countries, but that's where EuroTrip is invaluable. But I learned a lot about Europe travel in general, and I'd be happy to help you further. You're making me jealous... I want to go back!

l2c
 

Static911

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LMK if you need some good places to stay

Some hostels are outright like a frat house...lots of partying and you don't know if your stuff gonna get stolen

Others are, well, seems like a hotel at cheap rates

edit: England is expensive. You might as well splurge there (and I have a good place to stay...only costs $160/night...but awesome)



Static911
 

luv2chill

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You were obviously exaggerating about lodging rates in England... maybe if you're staying at some four star hotel you will pay $160 a night, but hostels are cheap. Hostels in London are more expensive than in some other European countries, but not that much more. I can't remember for sure, but I think I paid $20-30 a night to stay in a shared room. Showers were free (some hostels nickel and dime you for stuff like that).

St. Christopher's Village in where I stayed in London... very nice hostel with cool people and a bar downstairs! They've even got an online booking system (just do a web search and you'll find 'em).

Besides, I think he will find that Sweden is more expensive than England.

l2c
 

Jzero

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<< LMK if you need some good places to stay

Some hostels are outright like a frat house...lots of partying and you don't know if your stuff gonna get stolen

Others are, well, seems like a hotel at cheap rates

edit: England is expensive. You might as well splurge there (and I have a good place to stay...only costs $160/night...but awesome)



Static911
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After staying in British hotels I find it hard to live without a heated towel bar.
 

Mursilis

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<< If you want to have relaxing vacation, that doesn't make you stressed-out, I would not advise that you see all of those countries in a three week trip. >>



Wise words - take the time to savor the trip, and try not to do too much. You'll most likely get back over there sometime in your life, so don't try to see/do it all in one trip.
 

supesman

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Thanks for the advice. I'll have to replan the trip i guess. Maybe i'll go to only Ireland, England, Italy and France in three weeks. I was planning on sleeping in hostels but i was wondering how you guys got around, by train? There are different types of passes that a person can get right?
 

THELAIR

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okay okay my time to jump in on the bandwagon


back in 2000, i spent 3 MONTHS all by my lonesome backpacking through europe.


I was able to hit up

Denmark,
Germany,
Amersterdam
Spain
Italy

Thats it!! Amazingly short list of countries i know, but ...... I had complete flexability with my itenerary, and calling ahead for hostels is a good idea, but i was able to chance it whenever i arrived. If i couldnt find a spot to sleep, i would just jump on a night train to somewhere (random dart throw on the train map) and then come back and hoepfully get a place.

As for the trains, I had a 3 month unlimited euro rail pass, so that means i could go anywherein continental europe on that pass.

The way the trains work is they are numbered. You will see #1 and #2's all over the place. If i recall correctly #1 is regular coach and #2 is upper class. You can tell which is upper class cuz it will have nice plush seats, electrical plug ins for laptops and such, and kinda semi private with a sliding door to your cabin. There are also bunk beds/sleeper carriages on night trains but i never stayed in them cuz the gypsy's would rip you off when you slept BEWARE OF THE GYPSIES!! :p

The only way i knew wher ei was going was to be on the right plat form and make sure that the train number displayed on the LCD screen matches with your time table's destination. Trust me, it is confusing for the first couple days, but once you figure it out, its easy.

Italy had crappy trains though, so just remember that. All the other trains were quite nice and modern. Some have airconditioning (almost all #2 upper classes do) where as the #1's may not. When I travelled from Venice to Rome, which was a 4 or 5 hour train trip, i upgraded for probably 75 bucks to an upperclass compartment because it was air conditioned, where as the area on the train that i first got on was croweded with backpackers and other kids but sweltering hot, i had to stand in the lil area that connects the trains, not safe. It was probably 95-100F inside the train with no air ventilation. Not my idea of a fun 5 hour train trip.

As for what i did in 3 months in only so few countries... well i spent like 2 weeks in amsterdam, i couldnt get enough of that place, met so many awsome people. I had to leave and come back cuz your usaully only allowed to stay a max of 7 days at most european hostels. The flying pig is the name of a very popular and crowded/young hostel it has a 100% fill rate almost right away, hard to get in, but its hte party hostel of amsterdam for sure.

I also absolutly enjoyed barcelonna, i didnt get a chance to see much of Spain, but i spent 10 days in Barcelonna just soaking up the sun, and wasting my afternoons on Las Ramblas Avenue sipping on some sangrias. Good beaches in barcelona.

Also did the whole Nice/Monaco France thing, that area is kinda cool, neat casinos but too expensive.

I was disapointed with Venice, small and way overcroweded, but Rome is awsome... i spent a week there and should have stayed longer, I wanna go back.

Areas that I will DEFINITLY do when i get a chance is to hit up Greece and all its small islands, then do Prague (Czech republic) and Hungary, see more of France, only did a quick stop in Paris, it was raining and the train lady was rude so i skipped it. And probably try to see more of the southern coast of italy. Im a sucker for palm trees. But i must say of all the people that i met that came from Prague they were blown away, make that your last stop if your low on cash, insanly cheap there.

If you want a totally unreal sensation then you should try and get a chacne to check out Ibiza, its a party island (no joke) just south of Spain, in fact you can take a ferry from Barcelonna to Ibiza... expensive, but if you want the disco's thats where the place to be is.

hope that helps

private me if you got any other questions