Planned Protests during GOP Convention - Looks like showdown in Central Park coming,Groups Officially denied Free Speech

dmcowen674

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It's Official, Peaceful 1st Ammendent Rights are dead in the U.S.

Maybe the groups should've told the Judge they are a Musical Act and were going to sing Kumbiya.

8-23-2004 GOP Protesters Refused Use of Central Park

NEW YORK - A federal judge ruled Monday that two protest groups cannot use New York City's Central Park as a site for a demonstration days before the Republican National Convention.

"This court cannot blind itself to the daunting security concerns facing this city during the Republican National Convention," said U.S. District Court Judge William H. Pauley III.

Pauley said there were serious questions about whether Central Park's Great Lawn can safely accommodate the 75,000 people expected to attend a rally sponsored by the anti-war ANSWER coalition and the National Council of Arab Americans.

The two groups had asked Pauley to order the city to issue a permit, saying tens of thousands of people gather on the lawn for musical concerts each year.




8-23-2004 Protesters, police get set in NYC

Thousands of demonstrators are expected here for the Republican National Convention next week, leading to unprecedented security and sparking concerns that First Amendment free-speech rights could be suppressed in the name of safety.

In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Boston had 5,000 law enforcement officers in place during the Democratic convention. New York City will deploy 10,000 police officers, their efforts bolstered by an untold number of federal officials.

If protests become too big or if demonstrations take place without permits, "there's the possibility of large-scale arrests and even some police use of force."

"Unfortunately, the government has too often invoked national security as an excuse to restrict the right to protest," says Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.

Some activists say that they intend to go to Central Park with or without the city's permission.
 

3chordcharlie

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Isn't this not a free speech issue at all, but rather a right of assembly issue?

And the protected right is the right to peaceably assemble. So if the demonstration stops being peaceful, there is no infringement involved in shutting it down, or even arresting those who are not peaceful.
 

dmcowen674

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Planned Protest Events:

Bushville

The Poor People's Economic Human Rights Campaign will set up a camp this week dubbed "Bushville" and plans a march on the convention's opening day. On Sept. 1, several thousand people carrying pink slips are expected to form an unemployment line stretching from Wall Street to 31st Street.


Billionaires for Bush

The New York City Radical Cheerleaders invite people to bring pom-poms to cheer the protesters. Billionaires for Bush will don top hats to lampoon the Republicans.



New York City police and firefighters, who have been working without contracts for more than two years, plan protests against Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg.



United for Peace and Justice, a coalition organizing Sunday's march, has sued the city for a permit to rally in Central Park. "We have a front-and-center battle over the right to protest," says Bill Dobbs, a spokesman for group. "How much freedom do we have to give up in the name of fear?"

The group requested a permit more than a year ago to rally on the Great Lawn in Central Park, but the city denied it. The city said the lawn would be damaged and couldn't accommodate 250,000 people.
 

cKGunslinger

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You guys realize they had security at the DNC as well, right? They even had a fenced in area designated the "Free Speech Zone." This is becoming the norm, but really can't be attibuted solely to the GOP, no matter how far you stretch it.
 

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I hope they all get violent...I can't wait to see them get a can of whoop-ass opened up on them.
 

Todd33

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You do know this in't in front of the convention center right? They want to protest elsewhere in the city, Central Park... This isn't about security. They are claiming it will hurt the grass. Boo frinkin hoo. Take donations and re-seed it. This is constitutional right.
 

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Originally posted by: Todd33
You do know this in't in front of the convention center right? They want to protest elsewhere in the city, Central Park... This isn't about security. They are claiming it will hurt the grass. Boo frinkin hoo. Take donations and re-seed it. This is constitutional right.

Im taking the George Carlin point of view...chaos is good...and I want to see it...I hope we see a lot of bloody protestors after getting a beat down
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Todd33
You do know this in't in front of the convention center right? They want to protest elsewhere in the city, Central Park... This isn't about security. They are claiming it will hurt the grass. Boo frinkin hoo. Take donations and re-seed it. This is constitutional right.
I am aware of the situation. I am also very concerned with constitutional rights violations, but they are anticipating 250,000+ and according to the Park's Department, that area can only accomodate 80,000 in the main lawn and an additional 30,000 in the east lawn. I think they may have some legitimate reasons for denying the permit requests. If not, then I agree with you. Let the (peaceful) protesters have their permit if everything is in order.


Edit: Here's some more info on the park and area in question: Link
 

DealMonkey

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In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Hmmmmm. Big difference there. I wonder what accounts for the disparity? ;)
 

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I just find it frightening that people from all over the nation want to exercise their constitutional right of peaceful protest, apply for legal permission and get denied. Did the terrorist win? This is the sight of 9/11 on an anniversary, of all the places and all the times, this is the perfect spot to illustrate our rights and freedoms.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Todd33
I just find it frightening that people from all over the nation want to exercise their constitutional right of peaceful protest, apply for legal permission and get denied. Did the terrorist win? This is the sight of 9/11 on an anniversary, of all the places and all the times, this is the perfect spot to illustrate our rights and freedoms.

Agreed. These "protest zones," whether setup by Repubs or Democrats, are downright un-American.
 

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Dave, we're hiring now, please come in for an interview so you have less time to post!!
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Todd33
I just find it frightening that people from all over the nation want to exercise their constitutional right of peaceful protest, apply for legal permission and get denied. Did the terrorist win? This is the sight of 9/11 on an anniversary, of all the places and all the times, this is the perfect spot to illustrate our rights and freedoms.

Agreed. These "protest zones," whether setup by Repubs or Democrats, are downright un-American.

Where were you guys??? :confused: It's clear the Terrorists did win, just ask Bush, Asscroft, Ridge, Rummy, Rush and Hannity.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Hmmmmm. Big difference there. I wonder what accounts for the disparity? ;)

Umm.. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess "because Bush is the incombent President and nobody knows who the hell Kerry is? Seriously, Bush has been responsible (both directly and indirectly) for the welfare of over a quarter of a billion people for the last 4 years. I would think that, statistically, almost every incombent would have an order of magniture greater nay-saying than his relative no-name opponent. Then factor in a very controversial war on top of that...
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Hmmmmm. Big difference there. I wonder what accounts for the disparity? ;)

Umm.. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess "because Bush is the incombent President and nobody knows who the hell Kerry is? Seriously, Bush has been responsible (both directly and indirectly) for the welfare of over a quarter of a billion people for the last 4 years. I would think that, statistically, almost every incombent would have an order of magniture greater nay-saying than his relative no-name opponent. Then factor in a very controversial war on top of that...

Glad I wasn't trying to drink anything when I read this one, it would be all over my screen.


Couldn't be because the majority of the Country is pissed at Bush and his minions for screwing it up, nawwww

:roll:
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Hmmmmm. Big difference there. I wonder what accounts for the disparity? ;)

Umm.. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess "because Bush is the incombent President and nobody knows who the hell Kerry is? Seriously, Bush has been responsible (both directly and indirectly) for the welfare of over a quarter of a billion people for the last 4 years. I would think that, statistically, almost every incombent would have an order of magniture greater nay-saying than his relative no-name opponent. Then factor in a very controversial war on top of that...

Wow, almost thought you said "incompetent" there for a second. Now that would have been funny. And appropriate. :p

No one knows who Kerry is? Are you serious? Why don't you frame it more like this: Because more commie libs HATE the Dub! That's what you meant to say, right? ;)
 

nageov3t

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can't wait.

I'll be out there for at least some of the protests... not that I'm all that anti-GWB, but it looks like fun ;)
 

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Todd33
You do know this in't in front of the convention center right? They want to protest elsewhere in the city, Central Park... This isn't about security. They are claiming it will hurt the grass. Boo frinkin hoo. Take donations and re-seed it. This is constitutional right.

Im taking the George Carlin point of view...chaos is good...and I want to see it...I hope we see a lot of bloody protestors after getting a beat down

sicko
 

Runner20

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Originally posted by: loki8481
can't wait.

I'll be out there for at least some of the protests... not that I'm all that anti-GWB, but it looks like fun ;)

another sicko
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Hmmmmm. Big difference there. I wonder what accounts for the disparity? ;)

Republicans have jobs?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: loki8481
can't wait.

I'll be out there for at least some of the protests... not that I'm all that anti-GWB, but it looks like fun ;)

another sicko

how so?

I have legitimate issues to protest about... I'm just not as rabid as most of the other protesters.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: loki8481
can't wait.

I'll be out there for at least some of the protests... not that I'm all that anti-GWB, but it looks like fun ;)

another sicko

how so?

I have legitimate issues to protest about... I'm just not as rabid as most of the other protesters.

So your going there just for fun? there are other ways to have fun.

I believe that these protests are serious business and its not for entertainment
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
In Boston, the largest gathering drew only a few thousand protesters. An anti-war demonstration in Manhattan on Sunday is expected to draw a quarter-million people. But where they can rally is still being contested in court.

Hmmmmm. Big difference there. I wonder what accounts for the disparity? ;)

Republicans have jobs?
LOL! :thumbsup: :D I was going to try and defend some of me previous posts, but I can't top this! ;)