Planned Parenthood...

[vi edit]

I think that Russ may be nervous because this "enlightening of views" may be what Gore needs to get an edge on Bush. If you ask me, the stances that Gore take are quite more favorable to the 25 and under crowd than Bush.

What kid under the age of 21 wants to vote for a president that condones premarital sex and instead of educating someone about the issues involving sex? Bush just says "DON'T DO IT!". I'm pretty damn certain that you aren't going to win over very many college students with that view.

Now, the question at hand is whether or not this is "ethical" or "legal". THat I don't know.

I call it self survival. If the Bush gets elected, it sounds like the clinics could be down for some serious downsizing.

Authoratarian approach to the 25 and under crowd isn't going to work. We're just a bunch of 5 year olds with a voter registration card.

 

[Russ]

<< They make the arragements between the women and the surgeon that would actually be doing the procedure. >>



I didn't say they do the actual procedure. I said they handled it.

The fact that they use tax money to fund abortions is bad enough. Now, they are running a political attack ad campaign that borders on slander with the level of half-truths in the ads. Probably violating the law while they're at it.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Tominator]

They are for giving out condoms, birth control, advice, and abortions without Parental Consent!

There are many instances of potential parents going to them for advice on parenting. Sounds logical. Only to find out that they try and talk them in to abortion!

Neither Planned Parenthood or any other organisation should EVER be funded by MY tax money!

I think it should be a crime to use taxpayers money to lobby for more of it!

 

[Russ]

vi_edit,

I'm not &quot;nervous&quot; about anything. I'm pissed that an outfit that takes tax money as a substantial portion of it's budget is engaging in what is, at best, an unethical, and at worst, an illegal activity. If you could see past your liberalism long enough, you'd be pissed too.

Russ, NCNE

 

[reitz]

vi-edit, like it matters what the under 25 crowd thinks about any political candidate. How many of them actually vote?

 

[vi edit]

reitz don't you think that this is the point of the adds?

 

[vi edit]

Russ, having had to use the services of these clinics in the past, I guess I don't have a problem with it.

If Bush wins, there is a possibility that young adults and those that are financially challenged will have less access to these services.

Abortions are a very, very small percentage of the services that these clinics offer. Look up and see how many people receive condoms, birth control, health exams, financial counseling, &quot;couples&quot; counseling, and a whole slew of other things from these clinics.

I'd venture to say that the other services far outweigh the abortions.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< At least it doesnt go to the worthless &quot;abstinence&quot; campaigns that kids mock after hearing a presentation >>



Perhaps the &quot;presentation &quot; was poorly and improperly done.

Sex without a committment, we all know, is most destructive to the female and ultimately to the male.

All this talk of &quot;abstinence&quot; requires a young person to forgo sex and married life well after they are physically prepared to engage in both, successfully.

The solution?

Marriage at the age of puberty as God intended.

 

[vi edit]

&quot;Marriage at the age of puberty as God intended&quot;

Uhhh...isn't that illegal in all states but West virginia and Kentucky?

 

[Russ]

<< Abortions are a very, very small percentage of the services that these clinics offer. >>



You're kidding, right? In 1993 (the latest comparison figures I can find so far), they handled 134,277 abortions and provided prenatal care to 9943 women. That's 93% abortions to 7% births. So, they hand out a condom or a pill along the way. The FACT is that their primary function is to facilitate abortion.

But, THAT is not even the issue. The issue is the misuse of tax money in their mud-slinging at Bush.

Russ, NCNE

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Uhhh...isn't that illegal in all states but West virginia and Kentucky? >>

Many advocate a change in the Law to accommodate the reality of physical development.

A person that has reached puberty is, in Gods design, ready for sex and marriage.

The problem is misguided Men (both disingenuous politicos and stiff, straight laced pew warmers) have not allowed men and women to begin sex at the proper time.

Our society has seen the many problems that it has caused.

Let the young people engage in all the wild, bouncing off the wall sex they want, but do it legally with the consent of the parents and within the committment of a binding relationship.

 

[Zucchini]

Heh, how about the popes view... all contraceptives are evil. You have sex you have kids.

 

[Yeeny]

Let me make sure I understand this correctly, MrPalco. You are suggesting that if children go through puberty at 13, they should get married and have kids? If that is the case, I seriously hope you are not a father.

 

[vi edit]

That wasn't really my point...how many young adults and such do they provide birth control, counseling, and heath exams for.

How many people do these clinics see a year? It's a lot higher than 134,277 that sought them for abortions.

Hell, I bet the clinic in Iowa City(Where the U of I is) see's 5% of that for birth control, health exams ect. That's just one clinic, in one city, in one state.

 

[PCAddict]

I have a big issue with the fact that PP is getting ANY of my tax money. I'm pissed about these mudslinging ads they are running, and even more pissed off knowing that tax money was used to help finance them.

Thanks for the stats, Russ.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Let me make sure I understand this correctly, MrPalco. You are suggesting that if children go through puberty at 13, they should get married and have kids? If that is the case, I seriously hope you are not a father. >>



You have understood correctly and I am.

I do not advocate anything for others that I have not or will not do myself.

Has the present system produced peace for our young men and women?

Change the law and customs of Man to align with God..and Peace will result.

The answer is self evident..

 

[Regine]

<< So, they hand out a condom or a pill along the way. The FACT is that their primary function is to facilitate abortion. >>


Russ, I don't know a single woman personally who has gone to Planned Parenthood for an abortion. However, most of my friends go to see doctors there for their yearly check-up, or to get birthcontrol.
Did your data show how many people actually go there just for advice and birth control prescriptions??? If there are many more abortions performed than prenatal care is offered, maybe it is because most people that feel the need to have an abortion feel more comfortable to go to a place like Planned Parenthood instead of their personal gynecologist or doctor.

I do, however, do not agree with their Anti-Bush campaign. Not if tax payers' money is used for it.
That is a different issue however, and has nothing to do with the abortion issue. And I do believe that Planned Parenthood offers great services to women everywhere - and not just for abortions.

 

[vi edit]

Not to mention the number of abortions that have been prevented due to the education and birth control methods that they administer.

 

[Russ]

The number of abortions that have been prevented? Again, you must be kidding. Beyond the numbers I've already quoted that show abortions are 13 times pre-natal care, abortion is the primary option offered to young women when they seek guidance about their pregnancy. In many cases, adoption is never even discussed.

But, AGAIN, that is NOT the topic of this thread.

Russ, NCNE

 

[vi edit]

Lets put things into a little different, less controversial light...

Lets say that a huge surplus of coal, gold, and oil was found underneath the Black Hills National Park. Lets not forget that this is a federally funded park.

Now, we have Candidates G. and B.

Candidate B. thinks that we need more natural resources and decides that it's ok to tap into 10% of the Black Hills National Park.

Candidate G. Supports the Black Hills National Park and wants to preserve it and ups the EPA and gas consumption standards of automobile manufacturers.

If you were the Park Rangers and inhabitants of the BHNP, you'd be mighty upset at Candidate B. In fact you were so upset, you took some of the money that that the government gave you to preserve the national parks and put it twords signs and billboards supporting candidate G. In essence, you are &quot;preserving&quot; the national parks by rallying for candidate G.

So I ask, if a national park took some of its federally funded money to support a candidate that supported it, would you still have a problem?

 

[Tripleshot]

Russ

What is the topic of this thread?

Why did you start it?

To be educated?

Or to educate?

Have you been to a planned paerenthood clinic?


Why do you dis miss straight away those who have used it to thier benifit? Especially those who tell you they did not go for an abortion?

In other words,whats your point?

 

[Russ]

vi_edit,

In your analogy, they would still be violating federal campaign laws. The nature of the cause does not negate the illegality of the act.

Russ, NCNE

 

[vi edit]

But...would people cry foul as fast if my senario did occur? I think not. It may be illegal/unethical, but it's the nature of &quot;persuader&quot; that is drawing the attention, not the methods behind it.

If this wasn't a topic as touchy as abortion, it'd just be another blurb in newsweek as opposed to headline material.

 

[Russ]

I don't know if &quot;people&quot; would, but I sure as hell would. I don't want my tax money spent on political campaigns of ANY flavor, even Conservative ones.

Russ, NCNE

 

[vi edit]

I think we all know you deviate from the 'norm Russ