Planned Parenthood is more popular than the GOP, polls show

[SlickSnake]

nonpartisan Pew Research Center

Statements like that always make me chuckle.

http://www.pewresearch.org/

About Pew Research Center Pew Research Center is a nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world. It conducts public opinion polling, demographic research, media content analysis and other empirical social science research. Pew Research Center does not take policy positions. It is a subsidiary of The Pew Charitable Trusts.

How is an entire organization that was originally founded by a group of wealthy, conservative right wingers and devout Presbyterian Christians in 1948 considered nonpartisan?

While the "Pew Research Center" itself has been often labeled more liberally, what you need to keep aware of when reading their polls is what the issues are that they keep bringing to the public consciousness, or more to the point, the hidden motivations of WHY they keep bringing these hot button issues up in the first place using polling methodology which the veracity of is NEVER questioned in the media. They were basically started as a means to an end to attempt to covertly subvert, control, manipulate, and influence public policy (and in turn, the government) and especially so whenever there was a public issue they didn't agree with in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pew_Charitable_Trusts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Howard_Pew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pew_Research_Center

 

[bozack]

Which is true. By any metric, abortions are only a small part of the services Planned Parenthood provides.

Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization. They receive government funding because the majority of their patients are low income.

I would truly like to see an outside agency review their operations to see if what they are reporting really validates their claims that abortions are only a small part of their business, not doubting them but there has been so much back and fourth on this that I feel it warrants an independent 3rd party review

Also I'd question whether they should qualify for non profit status, and if they should get government money up front, or now with ACA those on Medicare and Medicade seeking services at Planned Parenthood should file for reimbursement at time of service.

I fail to see a logical reason why the GOP is even barking up this tree to begin with, seeing as how they seem perfectly fine to hand over tax breaks and subsidies to energy companies while they are raking in record profits and paying out record executive bonuses.

This latest repub idiocy smacks of them trying to get rid of NPR back when Romney was running. Too little, too late, and it adheres to a partisan rational that simply has no place in a modern country's healthcare system.

The GOP is running out of friends fast, and good riddance. I look forward to a day when their absence makes it easier to debate real issues, instead of... well, shit like this.
It says a lot about the GOP that they and some of their vocal supporters still seem to insist that the tax system is a la carte. Remember all the laughter at the unwashed anti-war liberals when they said they didn't want their tax dollars used to bomb brown people? Same principle. Religious beliefs don't trump federal laws. Religious conservatives and those that carry their water really need to learn this simple principle, John Oliver can assist the lazy here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSQCH1qyIDo Skip to about 3:40 for the gist of it.

energy companies benefit all and provide a necessary service, with the passage of ACA PP is no longer as important as it once was, people have the freedom to seek out regular non abortion care at their choice of healthcare provider.

As for your last few paragraphs of musings, again it shows the divide in this country, arguably at its worst level ever and only getting more extreme, as you have a seeming distaste for those on the right I am certain they would feel the same of your ilk.

Given all of the controversy I truly believe if PP wants to continue offering services they should split their organization, physically separate that which provides non abortion services from that which does (different names, different leadership, etc), leaving the former to get whatever federal funding is required and the abortion focused entity to work as a for profit company...but that will never happen given how much they support the democratic party and how much support they get from the left.

 

[Blackjack200]

I would truly like to see an outside agency review their operations to see if what they are reporting really validates their claims that abortions are only a small part of their business, not doubting them but there has been so much back and fourth on this that I feel it warrants an independent 3rd party review

It's a total false, specious claim.

http://www.theonion.com/article/planned-parenthood-opens-8-billion-abortionplex-20476

It's all a charade to get the taxpayer to fund as many abortions as possible.

 

[woolfe9998]

I would truly like to see an outside agency review their operations to see if what they are reporting really validates their claims that abortions are only a small part of their business, not doubting them but there has been so much back and fourth on this that I feel it warrants an independent 3rd party review

Uh, isn't that what a bunch of repubs are doing in Congress right now, pouring over all their records to find whatever they can to discredit the organization? What other "outside agency" should be investigating them? Anyone not the GOP will likely draw more favorable conclusions about PP. The point being, if there is anything there, the GOP will find it, and even if there isn't anything there, they'll pretend there is.

 

[werepossum]

I would truly like to see an outside agency review their operations to see if what they are reporting really validates their claims that abortions are only a small part of their business, not doubting them but there has been so much back and fourth on this that I feel it warrants an independent 3rd party review

Also I'd question whether they should qualify for non profit status, and if they should get government money up front, or now with ACA those on Medicare and Medicade seeking services at Planned Parenthood should file for reimbursement at time of service.

energy companies benefit all and provide a necessary service, with the passage of ACA PP is no longer as important as it once was, people have the freedom to seek out regular non abortion care at their choice of healthcare provider.

As for your last few paragraphs of musings, again it shows the divide in this country, arguably at its worst level ever and only getting more extreme, as you have a seeming distaste for those on the right I am certain they would feel the same of your ilk.

Given all of the controversy I truly believe if PP wants to continue offering services they should split their organization, physically separate that which provides non abortion services from that which does (different names, different leadership, etc), leaving the former to get whatever federal funding is required and the abortion focused entity to work as a for profit company...but that will never happen given how much they support the democratic party and how much support they get from the left.

Problem with that is duplication of services. I'm guessing that most Planned Parenthood abortionists are also practicing doctors who when not performing abortions provide other services. That becomes quite awkward if the abortion side has to be a separate company. The same thing probably occurs with nurses even more often, and with support personnel most of all. All this duplication of resources would detract from services provided, or increase the cost. Ethically I would love to see Planned Parenthood total out of the abortion business; practically I see no way to ever do this at an acceptable cost to poor women.

 

[Bowfinger]

I haven't really looked into the details of what "federal funding of Planned Parenthood" actually means, or what's meant by "defund Planned Parenthood"

But my impression was that it amounts to Planned Parenthood being reimbursed by Medicaid for providing non-abortion Medicaid-eligible services for Medicaid covered (i.e. poor) people. And that's pretty much it. Is that the case?

I would truly like to see an outside agency review their operations to see if what they are reporting really validates their claims that abortions are only a small part of their business, not doubting them but there has been so much back and fourth on this that I feel it warrants an independent 3rd party review

Also I'd question whether they should qualify for non profit status, and if they should get government money up front, or now with ACA those on Medicare and Medicaid seeking services at Planned Parenthood should file for reimbursement at time of service. ...

I'm not going to pretend to have much expertise on Planned Parenthood, but I did some digging. It appears that almost 90% of PP's federal funding is, indeed, Medicaid payments for health services provided to low-income patients. An additional small amount comes from other entitlement programs (e.g., Medicare), with the remaining ~10% provided as grants (for family planning services, for example).

Here is a GAO report dated March, 2015, covering PP and five other health organizations from 2010 to 2012:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/669194.pdf
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It's rather dense, but it has a wealth of data about how and where dollars are allocated. It includes a table listing the range and quantity of PP services provided (p. 25).

I read several articles and papers, but here's one more especially useful link. It relates to the current battle over funding PP, but provides some convenient information related to your questions:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...planned-parenthood-funding-bill-stops-govern/
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[theeedude]

Watched today's hearings with PP's CEO and Republican Congressmen. No wonder they didn't want to invite her. They were ready for tissue collection by the time she was done with them.

 

[MagickMan]

So many people are so politically blind that they would watch videos of democrats actually eating babies and still support those democrats as long as the baby eaters were against the other party. Debate real issues? Hah. Like anyone who identifies themselves with either party is actually interested in real issues.

It's a diseased system, rotting from the inside. Both parties need to be put down

 

[Blackjack200]

Watched today's hearings with PP's CEO and Republican Congressmen. No wonder they didn't want to invite her. They were ready for tissue collection by the time she was done with them.

I heard they attacked her for making $500k. 😵

 

[pcgeek11]

I think it is odd that PP ( an organization dedicated to " women's health " doesn't even own any mammogram equipment.

They farm it out to real women's health organizations.

 

[Meghan54]

I think it is odd that PP ( an organization dedicated to " women's health " doesn't even own any mammogram equipment.

They farm it out to real women's health organizations.

Welcome to "How The Fuck The U.S. Health Care System Works".

It's like this....when a non-specialist in radiology, such as a GP or OB-GYN or Internal Med. MD, wants a radiological study done, they REFER this procedure to a SPECIALIST who does this type of work as their job, hence the REFERRAL to a radiological MD/suite/group for a mammogram.


Or, do you honestly (and I use that term very loosely given to whom I'm speaking) think that every OB-GYN MD has a radiological suite in his/her office? Similarly, do you think a GP has a full lab setup in his/her back room and an X-ray suite adjoining?

Hint: it's the very rare MD that has any lab or X-ray capabilities.

Put this another way. Do you think your primary physician can whip out a colonoscope and do a colonoscopy in his/her office? Does your primary physician have the capabilities in his/her office to run CT scans? Why not? Those would be the same expectations you seem to hold OB-GYN's to.

 

[AntonioHG]

Welcome to "How The Fuck The U.S. Health Care System Works".

It's like this....when a non-specialist in radiology, such as a GP or OB-GYN or Internal Med. MD, wants a radiological study done, they REFER this procedure to a SPECIALIST who does this type of work as their job, hence the REFERRAL to a radiological MD/suite/group for a mammogram.


Or, do you honestly (and I use that term very loosely given to whom I'm speaking) think that every OB-GYN MD has a radiological suite in his/her office? Similarly, do you think a GP has a full lab setup in his/her back room and an X-ray suite adjoining?

Hint: it's the very rare MD that has any lab or X-ray capabilities.

Put this another way. Do you think your primary physician can whip out a colonoscope and do a colonoscopy in his/her office? Does your primary physician have the capabilities in his/her office to run CT scans? Why not? Those would be the same expectations you seem to hold OB-GYN's to.

I was just going to say that. I went to a doc for pain in my knee, got a referral to see another doc for an MRI. Got a pain in my abdomen, had to go to the hospital to have the barium swallow done. My mom goes to a doc to have a physical, she has to go see another doc for a mammogram and then the results are sent back to the general.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think it is odd that PP ( an organization dedicated to " women's health " doesn't even own any mammogram equipment.

They farm it out to real women's health organizations.

Maybe they should be funded a little more to obtain the equipment needed to perform mammograms

 

[theeedude]

Republicans need to watch Cecile Richards at the hearing, she explains pretty clearly how women's health care and health care in general works. It was embarrassing that Republicans trying to wreck women's health services don't even know how they work.

 

[Meghan54]

Maybe they should be funded a little more to obtain the equipment needed to perform mammograms

It's not just the equipment necessary to shoot mammograms, it's the staff trained to operate the equipment and the radiologist necessary to read the resultant mammogram.

It'd be akin to expecting every OB-GYN in the nation to read PAP smear samples, which would necessitate having a lab on premises and a pathologist on staff to read the slides.

 

[theeedude]

It's not just the equipment necessary to shoot mammograms, it's the staff trained to operate the equipment and the radiologist necessary to read the resultant mammogram.

It'd be akin to expecting every OB-GYN in the nation to read PAP smear samples, which would necessitate having a lab on premises and a pathologist on staff to read the slides.

Republicans are completely ignorant of how health care works in America, but don't worry they will replace Obamacare with something better, just let them repeal it first.

 

[bozack]

Problem with that is duplication of services. I'm guessing that most Planned Parenthood abortionists are also practicing doctors who when not performing abortions provide other services. That becomes quite awkward if the abortion side has to be a separate company. The same thing probably occurs with nurses even more often, and with support personnel most of all. All this duplication of resources would detract from services provided, or increase the cost. Ethically I would love to see Planned Parenthood total out of the abortion business; practically I see no way to ever do this at an acceptable cost to poor women.

But we are only talking 3% of their total business correct, so how much duplication would there be? you can have larger centers for the care they provide and then spin off the abortion business into smaller centers that perform the abortion and then transfer patients to the standard centers for the post op care..

And I'd love to see a completely independent body review, not the repubs or the dems or some paid PP entity.

 

[Blackjack200]

But we are only talking 3% of their total business correct, so how much duplication would there be? you can have larger centers for the care they provide and then spin off the abortion business into smaller centers that perform the abortion and then transfer patients to the standard centers for the post op care..

Wow, they've been doing it wrong all along, you should be a consultant or something.

 

[Theb]

But we are only talking 3% of their total business correct, so how much duplication would there be? you can have larger centers for the care they provide and then spin off the abortion business into smaller centers that perform the abortion and then transfer patients to the standard centers for the post op care..

What would be the benefit of this?

 

[Bowfinger]

[ ... ]
And I'd love to see a completely independent body review, not the repubs or the dems or some paid PP entity.

Did you look at the GAO report I linked?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It's not just the equipment necessary to shoot mammograms, it's the staff trained to operate the equipment and the radiologist necessary to read the resultant mammogram.

It'd be akin to expecting every OB-GYN in the nation to read PAP smear samples, which would necessitate having a lab on premises and a pathologist on staff to read the slides.

Sorry, I was being facetious, kinda. I do feel that PP needs funding and definitely helps needy women get health care services that otherwise may or may not be readily available.

 

[kage69]

energy companies benefit all and provide a necessary service,

...and are private companies who sell a product and are beholden to their stockholders. Quite a bit different than a non-profit that serves women (many in poverty) and doesn't pass along government supported profits to investors and owners. You not seeming to care about this indicates you and Banana republicans have something in common: the love of corporate socialism. Spread out that liability, privatize those benefits, right? Seems like in GOP Land, everyonehas a car and needs to do lots of long distance travel. Women however, don't all need necessary, gender specific healthcare because caring for a vagina, a uterus, and a pair of breasts because....freedom.

As for your last few paragraphs of musings, again it shows the divide in this country, arguably at its worst level ever and only getting more extreme, as you have a seeming distaste for those on the right I am certain they would feel the same of your ilk.

I know it's tempting, certainly easier, to just e-psychoanalyze people you don't personally know when they disagree with you, but you are trying way too hard here. Allow me to try and simplify things for you.

I don't 'hate things on the right,' or 'the left,' but I certainly despise bullshit, theocracy, conflicts of interest, ignorance, and hypocrisy where they manifest themselves in politics. Whether you like it or not, the majority of those traits are exhibited (proudly sometimes, I might add) by the GOP. It's why I am no longer a Republican and have no party affiliation to this day. Unless it involves good food and pretty women, I'm done with parties. Sorry if that doesn't coincide with any conclusions you've already made.

When Dems (or anyone else for that matter) start being anti-women, anti-science, anti-liberty and anti-separation of church and state, like the GOP has been doing for a long time, then I'll happily cast my scorn at them too.

This isn't a partisan issue on my part, it's a perception issue on yours. Trying to argue facts based from perception is a fool's errand, and you guys know it. It's why the tried and true favorite from the Cheney/Bush years of 'Disagree with me? Then you are a lefty, a Dem, a lib!!' is still used so much today, and a wide berth is given to data that undermines the party line.


Anyway, doesn't seem like there is any meat to this issue now, looks like another GOP pre-election stunt just backfired to me. But sure, let's bring in a 3rd party to do a real investigation, why not? I like having confirmation, who doesn't? I guess there is the slight possibility that all the Attorney Generals that have looked into the allegations made against PP were wrong. Would be amusing to possibly see more Chaffetz fail too, I'm always up for watching the indoctrinated get left high and dry by their dogma. 😉

 

[CitizenKain]

I think it is odd that PP ( an organization dedicated to " women's health " doesn't even own any mammogram equipment.

They farm it out to real women's health organizations.

Republicans everyone, this is what they believe. That all doctors everywhere have all the equipment. Or that specialists don't exist.

 

[feralkid]

I think it is odd that PP ( an organization dedicated to " women's health " doesn't even own any mammogram equipment.

So I guess it's high time we increase their funding in order to correct this little oversight, don't you agree?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

nm....