Plane on a Treadmill .... Fly or no Fly/Crash **pole** Mods, Please Look!

[BeauJangles]

Yes, the plane takes off. Will it take off on Mythbusters? Yeah, as long as they don't fuck it up and do something really stupid.

 

[brownboi512]

NO
does not take off
if speeds match then relative speed is 0.

 

[Barrak]

I am voting Yes

From the preview it looks like the plane will be on a large "carpet" that will be pulled by a truck on one direction at 60 MPH (I think thats what they said), while the plane trys to take off in the other direction. I dont see any reason why the wheels cannot spin at 120 MPH as the plane moves foward and takes off.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Flammable
Well the propeller would give it lift to make it fly BUT arent we talking about JET engines?

A propeller doesn't provide lift. It generates thrust.

I think the plane will fly.

A propeller generates lift. It's nothing more than a rotating wing.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Flammable
Well the propeller would give it lift to make it fly BUT arent we talking about JET engines?

A propeller doesn't provide lift. It generates thrust.

I think the plane will fly.

A propeller generates lift. It's nothing more than a rotating wing.

It doesn't provide lift for the plane though. Air moving over the wings provides lift for the plane. The propeller just generates forward thrust.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: CKent
No.

However the Mythbusters are purely entertainment, not scientific. It wouldn't surprise me if they did some bizarre shit to get it to fly, simply for the ratings.

So it begins!!! :laugh:

 

[ultimatebob]

I've seen enough Mythbusters episodes to know better than to bet on them 🙂

Like Adam, I'm willing to give percentages though:

40% odds that the plane takes off
40% odds that the plane tries to take off and crashes
20% odds that the plans just sits there on the treadmill

and 90% odds that something blows up during the episode 🙂

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Czar
If I'm understanding the myth correctly then a big fat no.
For the plane to lift the air pressure needed under the wings to generate lift has to then come from the air generated from the treadmill. Would be better if they would just stick a giant fan in front of the plane.. then it might work.

Originally posted by: CKent
No.

However the Mythbusters are purely entertainment, not scientific. It wouldn't surprise me if they did some bizarre shit to get it to fly, simply for the ratings.

Originally posted by: brownboi512
NO
does not take off
if speeds match then relative speed is 0.

So do these 3 count as "No" votes?

 

[CorCentral]

Originally posted by: oogabooga
so is this official yet? you're wrong you're banned? what happens if it's plausible... everyone gets banned?

Bad news guys......

Got a PM from the Mod this morning and he said no one will get banned for answering wrong :brokenheart:

 

[Mermaidman]

NO
NO
NO

Not that this is proof, but how about this--If the plane on a treadmill can take off, wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
NO
NO
NO

Not that this is proof, but how about this--If the plane on a treadmill can take off, wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

Do you have any plans for your month away?

Originally posted by: CorCentral
Bad news guys......

Got a PM from the Mod this morning and he said no one will get banned for answering wrong :brokenheart:

Awww.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
NO
NO
NO

Not that this is proof, but how about this--If the plane on a treadmill can take off, wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

umm, why?

No one claims that a Conveyor actually Helps the Plane to take off.

taps sarcasm meter

 

[TuxDave]

I say the mythbusters will show the plane is able to take off only because they aren't able to build a treadmill that can accelerate forever.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: JujuFish
Do you have any plans for your month away?

Can I still look? 😛

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

Not just on aircraft carriers. A destroyer with this magical treadmill would have fixed-wing capability. Other applications could be merchant vessels, oil platforms, or any other instance where it's not feasible to have a runway. What I'm saying is that if this were feasible, the military, a mad scientist, or a greedy capitalist would've found a way.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
NO
NO
NO

Not that this is proof, but how about this--If the plane on a treadmill can take off, wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

Because a conveyor belt doesn't help a plane take off. In fact, it wouldn't reduce the distance required by any appreciable number.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: JujuFish
Do you have any plans for your month away?

Can I still look? 😛

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

Not just on aircraft carriers. A destroyer with this magical treadmill would have fixed-wing capability. Other applications could be merchant vessels, oil platforms, or any other instance where it's not feasible to have a runway. What I'm saying is that if this were feasible, the military, a mad scientist, or a greedy capitalist would've found a way.

no, the treadmill has to be the same or longer than the normal take off distance for the airplane, no one ever said the plane would take off from a short treadmill

the airplane still has to travel its normal take off run to get up to speed to lift off
😕

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: CorCentral
EDIT: 1/21/08 --------- Bad news guys......
Got a PM from the Mod this morning and he said no one will get banned for answering wrong

Good. :thumbsup:

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: JujuFish
Do you have any plans for your month away?

Can I still look? 😛

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

Not just on aircraft carriers. A destroyer with this magical treadmill would have fixed-wing capability. Other applications could be merchant vessels, oil platforms, or any other instance where it's not feasible to have a runway. What I'm saying is that if this were feasible, the military, a mad scientist, or a greedy capitalist would've found a way.

Ok, this guy deserves a ban for utter stupidity. Seriously, where do you come up with something this idiotic? I hope someone on this forum is sitting next to you so they can slap you on the back of the head for being such a dumbass.

 

[Mermaidman]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: JujuFish
Do you have any plans for your month away?

Can I still look? 😛

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

Not just on aircraft carriers. A destroyer with this magical treadmill would have fixed-wing capability. Other applications could be merchant vessels, oil platforms, or any other instance where it's not feasible to have a runway. What I'm saying is that if this were feasible, the military, a mad scientist, or a greedy capitalist would've found a way.

Ok, this guy deserves a ban for utter stupidity. Seriously, where do you come up with something this idiotic? I hope someone on this forum is sitting next to you so they can slap you on the back of the head for being such a dumbass.

🙁 Should I mention that I was a biology major?
/wrist

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: JujuFish
Do you have any plans for your month away?

Can I still look? 😛

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

Not just on aircraft carriers. A destroyer with this magical treadmill would have fixed-wing capability. Other applications could be merchant vessels, oil platforms, or any other instance where it's not feasible to have a runway. What I'm saying is that if this were feasible, the military, a mad scientist, or a greedy capitalist would've found a way.

Ok, this guy deserves a ban for utter stupidity. Seriously, where do you come up with something this idiotic? I hope someone on this forum is sitting next to you so they can slap you on the back of the head for being such a dumbass.

🙁 Should I mention that I was a biology major?
/wrist

It's ok.

You just think we're all idiots because you know a stationary plane relative to the air can't take off, and you think that's what we all think it going to happen.

In reality we're saying that the treadmill will not significantly impede the plane from moving forward as it normally does. There's no advantage to takeoff using the treadmill, but it doesn't help either.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: Mermaidman

Originally posted by: JujuFish
Do you have any plans for your month away?

Can I still look? 😛

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
wouldn't the Navy already have implemented a similar device on a ship?
I win.

uh, aircraft carriers? heard of them? they use a catapult, which assists the takeoff
a treadmill doesn't assist or hinder take off

having a treadmill on an aircraft carrier makes me 😕

Not just on aircraft carriers. A destroyer with this magical treadmill would have fixed-wing capability. Other applications could be merchant vessels, oil platforms, or any other instance where it's not feasible to have a runway. What I'm saying is that if this were feasible, the military, a mad scientist, or a greedy capitalist would've found a way.

Ok, this guy deserves a ban for utter stupidity. Seriously, where do you come up with something this idiotic? I hope someone on this forum is sitting next to you so they can slap you on the back of the head for being such a dumbass.

🙁 Should I mention that I was a biology major?
/wrist

It's ok.

You just think we're all idiots because you know a stationary plane relative to the air can't take off, and you think that's what we all think it going to happen.

In reality we're saying that the treadmill will not significantly impede the plane from moving forward as it normally does. There's no advantage to takeoff using the treadmill, but it doesn't help either.

Jello....you're too nice. Embrace the ATOT "ass" culture.

Mermaid....your teh retart!

😛

(spelling mistakes intentional)

 

[FoBoT]

maybe that is part of the "no" people problem, mabe they are picturing a short/normal treadmill, like a 6 ft long treadmill that peoples run on to work out

the treadmill has to be 100 ft long. or whatever is "normal" for the size of airplane they use, the plane still has to travel normal take off distance to take off, a treadmill can't turn an airplane into a helicopter :laugh:

 

[Rowboat]

Originally posted by: Barrak
I am voting Yes

From the preview it looks like the plane will be on a large "carpet" that will be pulled by a truck on one direction at 60 MPH (I think thats what they said), while the plane trys to take off in the other direction. I dont see any reason why the wheels cannot spin at 120 MPH as the plane moves foward and takes off.

This is exactly my problem with the whole thing. The original myth involved a magic treadmill that could keep up with a semi frictionless wheel indefinitely which isn't going to happen.

Vote yes for mythbusters takeoff, the whole argument is based upon something that couldn't exist imo.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Rowboat

Originally posted by: Barrak
I am voting Yes

From the preview it looks like the plane will be on a large "carpet" that will be pulled by a truck on one direction at 60 MPH (I think thats what they said), while the plane trys to take off in the other direction. I dont see any reason why the wheels cannot spin at 120 MPH as the plane moves foward and takes off.

This is exactly my problem with the whole thing. The original myth involved a magic treadmill that could keep up with a semi frictionless wheel indefinitely which isn't going to happen.

Vote yes for mythbusters takeoff, the whole argument is based upon something that couldn't exist imo.

Please explain what you mean, the original myth states that the treadmill is of indefinite length and that the speed is the same as the effective ground-speed of the plane. Outside of construction costs, it's plausible to build a runway that is a treadmill. What's impossible about that scenario?