That didn't apply so Strzok. Remember that guy that hates Trump with a passion and promised his mistress that he would stop him. Most of you fellows said that personal opinions don't matter.
ivwshane
Lifer
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I'm confused. Are you now a defender of strzok or are you incapable of understanding the differences between hating a particular person and hating a race?
HomerJS
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You can't see the difference having a personal conversation about a perp (individual #1) vs the same shit talking in public about races and ethnicities who are not charged with crimes for whom you have direct contact?
A black cop found to have social media posts claiming he hates all white people would be fired.
repoman0
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Goddamn conservatives are fucking dolts. Dumb as bricks, all of them
Brilliant rebuttal. Armed with such scathing rhetoric you must devastate the other second graders.
They're both wrong. Hate is hate. It doesn't matter if it's an FBI agent going after the president or a racist cop with dreams of taking out some poor kid in the ghetto. Any police action driven by hate is wrong. FBI, police, or border patrol. It doesn't matter if it's a drug lord or a kid that lifted a bike, the action can't be driven by hate. Hate precludes logic and reason.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
- Jun 17, 2005
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And here is the difference. An investigation showed that Strzok did not take any actions driven by his hate, but we have instance after instance of police acting on their hate.
I'll never get why the left defends the guy. He's every bit as sleazy as Trump. He was a political operative within what is supposed to be the premier investigative body in the US. He got caught red handed, and now he's not there anymore.
IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
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It's hard for me to see why we need a separate border enforcement agency anyway, just fold it into broader federal law enforcement.
I think some better oversight by a less parochial body would do a lot to clear out the rot. It would also save money!
I think some better oversight by a less parochial body would do a lot to clear out the rot. It would also save money!
IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
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I disagree. We a need to reduce the size of the Border Patrol by a bunch, to be sure. We also need to take a sledgehammer to DHS. Combining federal policing powers under one roof was a terrible idea. As expected, accountability within each branch plunged when DHS was created.
dank69
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They defend him because there is literally zero evidence that any accusation you're making here is true. You've been told this before and it's frankly absurd that you keep repeating lies after being informed better.
You are of course free to prove your point that he was a 'political operative as sleazy as Trump' by pointing out a single, solitary improper professional act he took in regards to investigating Trump.
Any.
Single.
Solitary.
One.
If you can't, then you're smearing federal law enforcement officials because of your own political partisanship, not theirs, and you owe Strzok an apology.
zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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uh...so bigotry is now redefined to mean "hating one specific guy"? Is this what you need to play on this playground?
Let's play with your mundane attempt at distracting from babies placed in cages:
Again, most law enforcement officers dislike the criminals that they have long been investigating. I will again encourage you to apply Occam's Razor hear and ask you to consider where this FBI agent's experience may have influenced his opinions--the FBI had been investigating known Russian mobsters occupying Trump tower for more than a decade. That is a known, indisputable fact.
Do you deny that known fact? Can we at least begin from this shared foundation of absolute truth? Do you accept the known fact that Trump has long hosted Russian mobsters, operating their criminal activity out of Trump tower, for more than a decade, and that the FBI has long known about this? Do you accept this truth? You can deny it all you want, but it remains true, and your response requires a simple yes or no regarding what is known truth?
Now, based on the known truth, and based on the long history of FBI agents, especially those in NY that have long investigated the Italian mafia among other criminal organizations, do you think that their personal opinions regarding the targets of their investigation are somehow relevant to their work? These are murderers, mind you. I guess we should posthumously pardon Al Capone, because I guess those investigating him might have had a "low opinion of his character" and were therefore biased in prosecuting him. Let's free up Gotti and all the other assholes that are already in prison because the prosecutors probably didn't like them very much.
OK, so now that we've established that it's perfectly normal for any LEO to harbor low opinions of the targets of their investigation, what makes you think that the FBI and other international intelligence and investigation agencies had some specific target on Trump, the man, long before he harbored this vain thought that he was capable of leading anyone, let alone an entire nation, if you simply ignore the fact that he has long harbored known mobsters within his circle and his long-known dependence on foreign money and influence to keep his private, unsanctioned family "business" running?
Why do you refuse to approach the issues with the Trump family from the simple basis of the known truth, and give them so much deference where you would absolutely give none to the exact same type of criminal shitstains, anywhere else? Why do you do this?
zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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A political operative?
What the fuck Pravda bullshit have you been ingesting? It's possibly you still don't know this, but you are so clearly dependent on lies to inform yourself.
You need to fix yourself, my friend?
hal2kilo
Lifer
- Feb 24, 2009
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Let's make it simpler. An FBI agent hating a criminal? That's not their job right?
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Also you can be fired as an FBI agent for holding shitty or bigoted views if they bring disrepute on the department or cause other problems. That doesn't mean the SLIGHTEST thing as to whether any professional actions you took were improper. The example I keep bringing up that no conservative is able to answer (because the answer destroys their argument) is if an FBI agent were caught on tape saying 'man oh man I hate this Mafia boss and I can't wait to put him in prison' nobody would even blink. They would laugh at you if you said that was a problem unless you could show some actual misconduct. Honestly, people would laugh in your face. I don't know why conservatives think the situation should be different here.
Anyways, back to the topic, public employees, especially law enforcement, have a duty to behave in a way that is respectful of the community they serve as well as in ways that encourage public trust in their ability to do their job. Even if there's no specific professional misconduct to be revealed here just as with Strzok it is totally fine to fire every last one of them for breaching the public's trust.
cytg111
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And right now the AG is running a Trump incursion into this COUP attempt that is Strzok and mistress. You conservatives need to make up your damn minds! DO THESE PERSONAL OPINIONS MATTER OR NOT. Cause if you extrapolate the Trump level of thinking here, these people are already planning the mass graves for these migrants ... But that is all just fine with you right?
So what is it? Simply inappropriate or a GOD DAMNED COUP?
cytg111
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But that would require him not being a fucking moron that just spouts his opinion then goes "who knows" or "but I wanna know ___" (which is often spelled out for him, he just doesn't bother to learn anything before trying to refute it), aka, how he approaches every single topic and standard operating procedure for conservatives (as shown by all of their posts in this thread).
So, you might want to actually bother to read what I posted before acting like you're making some link supporting my point. I literally said the number is much higher than 30% with police officers. I guarantee its over 50% and is probably pushing much higher than that (I'm not joking, its likely in the 75-90% range. And again, if you actually saw how rampant this type of behavior is (just that most aren't stupid enough to have it completely public on their social media profiles that reveal their real names/position), that it would be impossible for people like you to pretend that its just some minority that is the problem here. Likewise on the "but but but its just harmless jokes" bullshit argument that some of the other fucking morons are trying to use to dismiss this. Its not, its fucked up shit that you'd go "yeah that person shouldn't be a police officer" type of stuff.
The only way its like the general populace is if you're willing to admit that the general populace is exceptionally racist as well. Which I would agree with, but you're clearly trying to portray it as some minority that holds that view.
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zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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somehow this guy is "as sleazy as Trump" but Trump deserves an incalculable amount of undeserved deference for the piles and piles of documented criminal activity that he and his family have engaged in.
It's amazing the mind-fuck that GOP supporters have willingly accepted for all these generations.
Haha that's a very good point.
'This guy is as bad as Trump which means he should be fired and Trump should remain president!'
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So now that we've dealt with the pathetic whataboutism attempts to deflect from the topic that have utterly derailed this thread...
Are we actually going to address how a random sampling of police social media accounts shows nearly a third are posting blatantly racist and bigoted material???
And think about this: This is just the ones stupid enough to post this shit.
Are we actually going to address how a random sampling of police social media accounts shows nearly a third are posting blatantly racist and bigoted material???
And think about this: This is just the ones stupid enough to post this shit.
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