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Kaido
Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
It will be interesting to see what more people go with, if the price & range is the same. You can go test-drive a Bolt at any Chevy dealership, but you can only order the Tesla online in most places. Plus Chevy is a pretty long-standing name in the car industry. Personally I think the Bolt looks pretty spiffy & I really like the headroom, so if it boils down to a Model 3 sedan vs. whatever you want to call the Bolt (micro-van?), I'd probably go with the Bolt even if the Tesla is faster.
Is that per year or cumulative?
SSSnail
Lifer
The Tesla is the prius of Silicon Valley.
It will be interesting to see what more people go with, if the price & range is the same. You can go test-drive a Bolt at any Chevy dealership, but you can only order the Tesla online in most places. Plus Chevy is a pretty long-standing name in the car industry. Personally I think the Bolt looks pretty spiffy & I really like the headroom, so if it boils down to a Model 3 sedan vs. whatever you want to call the Bolt (micro-van?), I'd probably go with the Bolt even if the Tesla is faster.
I'd go Tesla if only because the Bolt is made by GM.
You are right to a degree. A 100K electric car that is years ahead of the big three? Yes, somewhat of a statement.
The model 3 at $35k is at a price point that most anyone can afford, so I think your opinion that a Tesla purchase is about status is probably going to change.
It will be interesting to see what more people go with, if the price & range is the same. You can go test-drive a Bolt at any Chevy dealership, but you can only order the Tesla online in most places. Plus Chevy is a pretty long-standing name in the car industry. Personally I think the Bolt looks pretty spiffy & I really like the headroom, so if it boils down to a Model 3 sedan vs. whatever you want to call the Bolt (micro-van?), I'd probably go with the Bolt even if the Tesla is faster.
I've been looking forward to the Bolt as well. I was interested in the Spark EV as a daily runabout but the ~82 mile range may have been cutting it very close in some situations. As the Spark EV wasn't available but in select areas anyway (mine not being one of them), it pretty much dismissed it from selection. I ended up getting a Sonic RS, I've been very happy with it. So providing they execute the Bolt concept well I'll probably be near the front of the line for one. ~200 mile range should cover any situation I could conceivably use the car for, I'll always have a family SUV for any lengthy trips.
Doubt it, maybe years down the road. A CUV will be the highest priority after the sedan.
Brovane
Diamond Member
That is cumulative. I am surprised it isn't mentioned more in the discussion about the Model 3.
natto fire
Diamond Member
Again, I would rather have an autopilot that is dialed in to 99% accuracy, than one which only has 97% accuracy, given the simplistic hardware they are working with. I know they have had problems with the drive units, and I am assuming that is where your unreliable statement comes from. They have always stepped up to the plate and replaced the faulty units, as told many times at TMC. If folding seats are the deal breaker for anyone shopping a Tesla, then so be it. I can't see it myself, but then I ATOT as infrequently as possible, being my elbows are a bit pointy.
Yeah that horsepower debacle was unfortunate, and maybe I am just not car savvy, but I feel the torque delivery in P85D is quite sufficient, and I have never lost a drag while in one.
Good thing no one has ever put a 5K turbo or SC on an ICE. Also, anyone hyping horsepower is already not a car person in my book. Torque is what you feel, it is what puts you ahead of the other car.
It is too bad that Tesla overrated their cars, but after driving a P85D, the smooth torque and refinement has me hooked to the point that I admire a refined ICE the same way I thought a carbed '68 Chevelle was a great vehicle. Nice in style, but worthless in practicality.
bigi
Platinum Member
Many early talks by Elon. Now, I just ran a search:
By most estimates, the battery for the Model S that I drove should cost between $42,500 and $55,250, or half the cost of the car. But (Tesla Tech Officer) Straubel indicated that it is already much lower. They're way less than half, actually, he says.
bigi
Platinum Member
Volt/Leaf are about 1% or less of total vehicles produced. This is not mass production unfortunately.
Once those are 50% of total vehicle production the costs have to go down.
Also, now Leaf is like 35K - more or less so that's not a big expense anymore.
Yea, really, I'm not gonna create an account to read one story.
LOL, we BOTH know why...
Bet you some idiot comes out of nowhere and defends GM to both of us. 🙂
I see the Model 3 as only 4 oil changes and 1 set of tires away...
natto fire
Diamond Member
I am genuinely wondering, because I was on that ship. I know that they went through a phase where only fleet buyers would take a gamble on American sedans.
to say nothing of the bailout, it should have been a red flag that they had no idea what they were doing.
Chasing profit worked for a while, but it did come to a point where they would actually have to release an innovative product.
Funny to think if they would have went from the EV1 directly to the volt, we would not be talking about Tesla mopping the floor with them.
Depends on your use case doesn't it?
In my mind the Volt is more expensive and has all the maintenance of any other ICE car. WE have three vehicles, so an all electric replacing one of them is perfectly suitable given the replacement for my wife's car was probably going to be in the same price range as the Tesla 3.
Brovane
Diamond Member
I am getting the impression with EV batteries a lot has to do with how the batteries are managed by the on-board systems. For example with the Tesla for most daily driving you don't have to charge to max to get a 200-mile range. This means that if you can keep the vehicle in-between say 20%-80% and you don't do a deep discharge of the battery or charge the vehicle to maximum a lot you will increase your battery live. However if your vehicle only has 80-mile range to start you are going to be doing a lot more full charges and deep cycles of the battery. This shows some data on Tesla Model S owners in Europe and battery degradation.
Sephire
Golden Member
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