Place sensible limits on welfare

[royaldank]

Linflas - That is a good article. Shows how pathetic some people are.

The average welfare family has 1.5 kids (at least according to stats some 3-5 years ago). It's not like all families receiving welfare are popping out babies left and right to get more money. There are obviously extreme cases.

I think the woman in Linflas' story should be sent to prison for abuse to the system and abuse to her children. Make her pay back house damages or work it off. I'm sure we could use a new janitor in the prison system or someone to clean gum off sidewalks.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< And maybe you're just an asshole who doesn't give a damn about other people, and who thinks everyone else is living off your money. >>

Dipsh!t Translator "My view of the real world is somewhat obstructed due to my head being buried shoulders deep up my Arse"

 

[SagaLore]

<< You know nothing about this woman and her circumstances. Not all people on welfare make a career out of it, you know. There may come a time when you fall on hard times and need some assistance, and some callous creep may stand in line at the grocery store looking at you and thinking these same thoughts. >>



When there is a time when you fall on hard times and need some assitance, it's called Unemployment Compensation. That's for working people.

And then there is something also called birth control - does wonders...

 

[SagaLore]

<< Do you really think she has much of an oppurtunity to change when raising 4 children? Easy to say she is human waste when you have the priviledge of having a spare minute on AT to post about it. >>



She isn't raising 4 children, that's the whole point. She's popping out children, and letting the government raise them. (Public school, welfare, medicare, ssi, etc.)

 

[SagaLore]

<< My mother was on public assistance for a few months after my dad walked out on us. She went back to school, got a good paying job, and has been a self supporting taxpayer ever since then. God damn it, my mother is not "human filth." And she is not a "liar" or a "low life" either. >>



he didn't call your mother human filth

he called the lady that is popping out kids without any consideration to their lives, human filth

your mom made something of herself, that is to be congratulated - please note that she was on assistance for a few months, not serveral years or decades

 

[Pastore]

I will share my thoughts on welfare. Get rid of it! We now have Foodstamps (buy any food product with a plastic card, which every month is replenished with new funds to use), Cash Assistance (just like Foodstamps, but you can buy anything you want, just like cash, and is also replenished each month), and WIC (Women Infants and Children, which is a check, or multiple checks, that get sent to your house about once a month with specific things you can get. Such as 1 dozen eggs or a gallon of milk) for people who don't make a lot of money. The ONLY thing that can not be had when getting these three assistances is paying for bills. And I have heard that the state is thinking about a person on cash assistance be able to pay bills with it.

I work in a grocery store, so I see some really bad looking people come in and disgust me with some of the things they buy, but that is besides the point.

What I hate about welfare is the following. I was sitting over at a friends house the other night hanging out, and one of his other friend comes in (we are all 18), and lights up a bong. We are all sitting there shooting the crap, when the kid says, "Yo guys, I am going to apply for welfare." My friend replies with, "Hell yeah man!" and I just kind of sat there disgusted. You know what? He is going to be accepted because he doesn't work (has never worked so can't collect unemployment), and makes his living in buying/selling drugs. THAT is what needs to stop.

Heres my plan, get rid of welfare entirely. Boost up cash assistance a bit to be able to help out more, and allow it to pay for more things. Since they are harder to get than welfare, fewer people will be trying to get something for nothing in this way.

We are a lazy society, and EVERYONE wants something for nothing. You play the lottery once in a while right? We are all like this, just at different degrees.

I think this is the longest post I have ever had here. woohoo

 

[SagaLore]

<< Welfare and education is only 114 billion of the federal buget or 8%. Would you really notice 8% of the 30% (~2.5% of total income) in taxes you already pay? And is 2.5% of your salery to much to pay for someone who is down on thier luck or has been downsized? Plus welfare can't go on for ever since Clinton it's 5 years max with 2-2-1 split.

IMO welfare should include more benifits like job training and free day care for those who work part-time jobs. It's sad to me, as rich as we are, to see the lack of compasion in America. I suggest to anyone that thinks welfare is a bad thing to go over to europe or Japan. They have much better extensive welfare programs and less people begging in the streets higher test scores and a more educated populus, and a higher standard of living as a whole. But they don't have too many billionares. >>



We don't have a lack of compassion. We have a bunch of democrats legislating programs that benefit their vote count - they're breeding future voters to keep them in power. My compassion is for those people that are trying hard to make in life that aren't relying on everyone else's paycheck to do it.

 

[SagaLore]

<< Linflas - That is a good article. Shows how pathetic some people are.

The average welfare family has 1.5 kids (at least according to stats some 3-5 years ago). It's not like all families receiving welfare are popping out babies left and right to get more money. There are obviously extreme cases.

I think the woman in Linflas' story should be sent to prison for abuse to the system and abuse to her children. Make her pay back house damages or work it off. I'm sure we could use a new janitor in the prison system or someone to clean gum off sidewalks. >>



You're reading the study wrong. It isn't that the average welfare family has "1.5 kids", it's the average welfare family has a ratio of 1.5 kids compared to other families of 1 kids. So if the national average at this time is that a family has 2 kids, then the average welfare family will have 3 kids.

 

[waggy]

how sad. you want to do away with a department that helps people because a few abuse it?

Do you know what it takes to be on welfare? last i read it was under 10k a year.

10 thousand a year! between me and my wife we nearly make that a month! (both of us have college degrees)

Do i think it needs reform? heck yeah! you shouldnt be able to be on it for more then a year. While on it you should be taking training classes to get a job and when the classes are done you are off welfare.

Those with kids should have free/reduced child care (child care is way to expensive imho).

IF cought abusing the system you should be put in jail.

 

[DNMonty]

<< how sad. you want to do away with a department that helps people because a few abuse it?

Do you know what it takes to be on welfare? last i read it was under 10k a year.

10 thousand a year! between me and my wife we nearly make that a month! (both of us have college degrees)

Do i think it needs reform? heck yeah! you shouldnt be able to be on it for more then a year. While on it you should be taking training classes to get a job and when the classes are done you are off welfare.

Those with kids should have free/reduced child care (child care is way to expensive imho).

IF cought abusing the system you should be put in jail. >>



Read through this entire thread before posting something stupid and making an ass out of myself. But this msg sparks on a great idea IMHO.
A lot of these people don't have the aptitude so training may not be very effective in producing high dollar wages. But, how much intellect would it take to make them child care workers, for this free/reduced childcare?
I think it may have been in Florida a few years back, that stipulated that any children conceived or born while on public assistance of any kind, does not qualify them for more benefits.
The limits would be a good idea also, I had a very good job for 6 years stright in an IT company and was downsized, I still had money coming in from side work by taking on little computer projects for small businesses, and hustled to generate money. I was unemployed, going through a divorce and fighting for custody of my 2 kids while my ex was livin large working for a telco taking time off cause the union protects their lazy asses. (actually the union kinda penalizes the abuse of taking sick days, but there is no difference between taking 1 day because you really are sick and the rest of the week, 5 days total, sick or not. So what do they do, take 5 if any)
But in the end, I found a better job, got primary custody and have the house. woohoo!!


Oh yeah, and she pays me support to take better care of the kids.

This woman you saw, the topic of all of this, may have been doing fine and someone ruined her life and now she doing the best she can, or not. There is a higher being to eventually judge her. You ain't it!

 

[sandorski]

Yup, for all anyone knows, this woman could have just received her first welfare payment that day.

 

[Jerboy]

<< Though maybe that was stepping a little to far. I do agree with you about the bums on welfare. My mom works for the Human Services. And the stories I hear just piss me off. A third of the people mis treat the system going around every loop hole possible, driving nice cars and then get their welfare checks. :| Another third are just bums to lazy to do a damn thing and have no respect for themselves of their families. Real low lifes! And the other third actually needs the assistant for real causes of infortanties. I'm dead serious, about 66% of welfare money is wasted on liars and low lifes. :| >>



Even though I am personally against welfare program, I'm with you on the liar. There is a kid in my evening class whose on reduced lunch and on welfare, but somehow manage to own a car, cellphone and a nice car stereo. Seems like he's going around every loop hole possible. Anyone on welfare should be auditioned periodically and have their posession(the nice car they got somehow) or imprisoned.

Once some guy offered to pay for my food with his welfare check and wanted me to give him equivalent amount in cash. The chances are he wasn't really in need of food, but wanted to get drunk or get drug.




<< EDIT FOR THE PEEPS WHO READ MY MESSAGE WRONG: I did not say everyone is a liar or low life! The majority are in my city, but there is a big minority that actually needs assistance. My family too was once on the system, my mom is single and has raised 3 kids but she pulled her way out. The assistance helped her help herself. She didn't abuse it. Welfare is a great program if was used/done right. >>



I maybe too harsh to say eliminate welfare entirely. The system should definitely be MUCH MORE STRICT with imprisonment as a consequence for any form of welfare abuse and periodic audit.

 

[Maetryx]

Ulitmately, society needs to be prepared to let people die before there can be actual reform. Because that's where the elimination of benefits for this or that behavior would lead: startvation, exposure and death.

Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with that.

 

[ScottyB]

We call welfare people "welfare rats" were I'm from. My mother was also a social worker and I have heared all the stories about the people. She says most of the people should never be on welfare but some really do need it, especially the old.

 

[Cyberian]

<< When is it EVER OK to just let a toddler roam a crowded supermarket? >>

I have seen women in fur coats driving MBs do this. It is not solely a province of the poor and/or uneducated.

 

[Cyberian]

<< We call welfare people "welfare rats" were I'm from. My mother was also a social worker and I have heared all the stories about the people. >>

I guess if we got everyone off welfare your Mom would have to go on unemployment.

 

[b0mbrman]

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<< When is it EVER OK to just let a toddler roam a crowded supermarket? >>

I have seen women in fur coats driving MBs do this. It is not solely a province of the poor and/or uneducated. >>


K...then they shouldn't let that woman get on welfare either

 

[b0mbrman]

<< My mother was on public assistance for a few months after my dad walked out on us. She went back to school, got a good paying job, and has been a self supporting taxpayer ever since then. God damn it, my mother is not "human filth." And she is not a "liar" or a "low life" either. >>


Um...I believe he called the woman in line "human filth," not your mother. You used his statement to generalize all people on welfare (to include your mother) and where I'm from, that's called stereotyping, and it's *wrong*

 

[ScottyB]

<< I guess if we got everyone off welfare your Mom would have to go on unemployment. >>

Nope, she used to work there. She is disabled now and is on Social Security. She has a really hard time getting around with all the pain she is in.

 

[Danman]

<< you sure your not jerboi >>



Major deja vu here.

 

[The Wildcard]

The problem is this. There are some truly, honest people who do fall on hard times and need welfare to help them temporarily.

But you also have people, who for some unknown reason to me, either purposely or accidently, continue to have more and more children, even though they are on welfare. For this reason, it seems to me that they are purposely using children to gain more welfare, which I believe is just morally wrong.