pitt bulls enter house and badly maul a woman while sleeping

[OutHouse]

I had a rottiie for 11 years and trained her to a schultzhund II title so i am very familiar with powerful dogs. I will never ever trust a pit, these dogs are just dangerous.

i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot. there have been many pit bull attacks in Denver this year and everytime the cops killed the dogs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294013,00.html

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

 

[Vic]

Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

Are you saying all breeds of dog have the same temperament?

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

Or maybe they were afraid that somebody like you would sue for destruction of property.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

Are you saying all breeds of dog have the same temperament?

Uh... not at all. Where did you get that? Do you know anything about Pits and Rotts? Or dogs in general? Fewest words as possible: the more dangerous the breed, the more trainable it was bred to be. It's a basic precaution by the breeder, not rocket science. And why those little bitty dogs tend to be so vicious (because who cares if it nibbles your ankles, really?) while a Pit can be bred and trained to knowingly die for its master in a fighting ring.
As the OP should know if his Rott got a schutzhund II title, those dogs can be trained to be more obedient than a gun. I've seem them been given the kill command on a real human being, attack with the look of death in their eyes, then in mid-air to kill given the stop command, and they hit the ground short of the would-be victim to lick their trembling hand.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

Or maybe they were afraid that somebody like you would sue for destruction of property.

ZING!

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

Or maybe they were afraid that somebody like you would sue for destruction of property.

ZING!

Human rights > Property rights > nonexistent animal rights.
Learn it, Live it, Love it 😀

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

Or maybe they were afraid that somebody like you would sue for destruction of property.

ZING!

Human rights > Property rights > nonexistent animal rights.
Learn it, Live it, Love it 😀

Wait... so now animals have less rights than property?

And the dog clearly wasn't a threat anymore after they had locked it in. Killing it would be an infringement on the owner's rights.

 

[manowar821]

It seems the only reason animals "don't have rights" is because they're not smart enough to protest and revolt for hundreds of years to get them, like every other minority has to do.

Seems a little unfair to me.

 

[WelshBloke]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

Are you saying all breeds of dog have the same temperament?

Uh... not at all. Where did you get that? Do you know anything about Pits and Rotts? Or dogs in general? Fewest words as possible: the more dangerous the breed, the more trainable it was bred to be. It's a basic precaution by the breeder, not rocket science. And why those little bitty dogs tend to be so vicious (because who cares if it nibbles your ankles, really?) while a Pit can be bred and trained to knowingly die for its master in a fighting ring.
As the OP should know if his Rott got a schutzhund II title, those dogs can be trained to be more obedient than a gun. I've seem them been given the kill command on a real human being, attack with the look of death in their eyes, then in mid-air to kill given the stop command, and they hit the ground short of the would-be victim to lick their trembling hand.

I've worked with rott's, dobermanns and german shepherds. I've looked after pit bulls, english bull's and all sorts of related crosses, I know about certain dog breeds.

You said

Pits are just as trainable as Rotts

Thats kind of true, their just not as trainable in the same things.
Different breeds are easier to train in certain roles.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

Or maybe they were afraid that somebody like you would sue for destruction of property.

ZING!

Human rights > Property rights > nonexistent animal rights.
Learn it, Live it, Love it 😀

Wait... so now animals have less rights than property?

And the dog clearly wasn't a threat anymore after they had locked it in. Killing it would be an infringement on the owner's rights.

Animals don't have any rights. The owner has rights to his animals as property, but that right does not mean he can allow his property to cause harm to others and still have his property rights respected.
Human rights > Property rights, so it would be perfectly acceptable for police to destroy property (dog) that resulted in harm to a human.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

Or maybe they were afraid that somebody like you would sue for destruction of property.

ZING!

Human rights > Property rights > nonexistent animal rights.
Learn it, Live it, Love it 😀

Wait... so now animals have less rights than property?

And the dog clearly wasn't a threat anymore after they had locked it in. Killing it would be an infringement on the owner's rights.

Animals don't have any rights. The owner has rights to his animals as property, but that right does not mean he can allow his property to cause harm to others and still have his property rights respected.
Human rights > Property rights, so it would be perfectly acceptable for police to destroy property (dog) that resulted in harm to a human.

If animals didn't have ANY rights, we would not have laws on the books regarding cruelty to animals.

 

[jpeyton]

Execute dogs that attack humans on the spot, no questions asked.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well this is the first dog attack I ever heard of that occurred while the dog was sleeping. Personally, I find it hard to believe.

 

[StepUp]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well this is the first dog attack I ever heard of that occurred while the dog was sleeping. Personally, I find it hard to believe.

Bahahaha most insightful comment in this tread by far! :laugh:

Do agree that onus is on the owner.

I am in the process of getting a Cane Corso, and you had better believe that he will be constantly trained.

Dogs do have temperament, and too many back yard breeders are corrupting pits and destroying their name.

 

[piasabird]

When a dog mauls someone, it is probably the owner that needs to be shot. If you keep vicious animals, then you should be responsible for their actions.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: piasabird
When a dog mauls someone, it is probably the owner that needs to be shot. If you keep vicious animals, then you should be responsible for their actions.

Bingo.

 

[umbrella39]

What are all these dogs doing out of their yards to be running into her home through the doggie door? 2 pits and then a jack russell?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

Maybe, but since these dogs are disproportionately involved in maulings, whether it's them or the owners, something should stop. I'd say random audit of all pit owners and ban them from ever owning a dog again, if indeed it is the owner, then we're good.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

QFT!

My mother helps run a pitbull dog rescue, and not a single one of their pits has ever bitten anyone.

In fact, most of the pups she fosters turn out to be some of the sweetest, most loveable dogs I've ever known. Hell, most of them think they're lap-dogs and will lick you to death before they ever even think about biting you!

It's entirely about the owners and how they raise them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Citrix
i wonder why the cops just didnt shoot the dogs on the spot.

Probably afraid of the same crowd out to lynch Michael Vick now. You know, dogs have rights now. :roll:

So you see no difference in the systematic life-long abuse of the greater part of 100 animals, and the killing of two rabid animals who are attacking-to-kill humans?

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

QFT!

My mother helps run a pitbull dog rescue, and not a single one of their pits has ever bitten anyone.

In fact, most of the pups she fosters turn out to be some of the sweetest, most loveable dogs I've ever known. Hell, most of them think they're lap-dogs and will lick you to death before they ever even think about biting you!

It's entirely about the owners and how they raise them.

funny, every single owner who has a pit that turned on humans said the same exact thing.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: WelshBloke

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

Are you saying all breeds of dog have the same temperament?

Uh... not at all. Where did you get that? Do you know anything about Pits and Rotts? Or dogs in general? Fewest words as possible: the more dangerous the breed, the more trainable it was bred to be. It's a basic precaution by the breeder, not rocket science. And why those little bitty dogs tend to be so vicious (because who cares if it nibbles your ankles, really?) while a Pit can be bred and trained to knowingly die for its master in a fighting ring.
As the OP should know if his Rott got a schutzhund II title, those dogs can be trained to be more obedient than a gun. I've seem them been given the kill command on a real human being, attack with the look of death in their eyes, then in mid-air to kill given the stop command, and they hit the ground short of the would-be victim to lick their trembling hand.

I've worked with rott's, dobermanns and german shepherds. I've looked after pit bulls, english bull's and all sorts of related crosses, I know about certain dog breeds.

You said

Pits are just as trainable as Rotts

Thats kind of true, their just not as trainable in the same things.
Different breeds are easier to train in certain roles.

all dogs are trainable, some excel in areas that others do not. sure pits are trainable, the issue is due to years of inbreeding the dogs wiring has gotten all fouled up. its like playing Russian roulette, if you get a pit you never know if and when its going to go nuts and attack somebody. the same thing happened to springer spaniels there was a line a decade ago that was so inbred that the dogs would just go nuts. the issue was eradicated pretty quickly probably due to that more responsible people own springers and wiped out that blood line. Pits dont have that luxury, people get them because they want that "junk yard dog" and the bad lines just keep on multiplying and now its impossible to get rid of.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Vic
Uhh... Pits are just as trainable as Rotts. As always, the problem is the owner, not the dog. Blaming the dog is like blaming a car for getting in an accident.

QFT!

My mother helps run a pitbull dog rescue, and not a single one of their pits has ever bitten anyone.

In fact, most of the pups she fosters turn out to be some of the sweetest, most loveable dogs I've ever known. Hell, most of them think they're lap-dogs and will lick you to death before they ever even think about biting you!

It's entirely about the owners and how they raise them.

funny, every single owner who has a pit that turned on humans said the same exact thing.

There are certain rules and methods to raising and training pitbulls that most owners never bother to learn.

1) you NEVER play tug-of-war, or let them use pull-toys of any sort.

2) you NEVER let them so much as nibble on your hands or arms. (in other words, any time they try to bite, even playfully, you stop them).

3) you NEVER encourage agressive behavoir.

4) you NEVER EVER let them off of a leash in any area that has a fence shorter than 6 ft.

5) etc...

Like I've said, it's all about the owners - many are too lazy or too ignorant to raise a pitbull properly. At most decent pitbull rescues, 9 out of 10 of the potential adopters are rejected. In some cases, the dogs are taken back by the rescue if/when the owners break one of the many rules they have to agree to when they choose to adopt a pitbull. They are usually asked to sign a binding contract that allows for routine follow-up visits, and even casual surveilance, by the rescue leagues.

There are a few cases where the dogs have flipped out under seemingly random circumstances, but not as many as the media would have you believe. Most often, the owners are later found to be negligent, and the media simply fails to follow-up on that part of the story.