Pitch Black in HD-DVD

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Lifer
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We're still on crappy old RCA CRT TV's with RF modulators and a sh!tty cable signal in the first place. So there!!
 
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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
It's amazing the difference between the SD-DVD and HD-DVD. So much more detail, and the TrueHD sound is amazing. It's like going from VHS to DVD all over again.

I thought there were no receivers capable of processing TrueHD. What receiver do you have? Do you have 7.1? I imagine a nice 7.1 system is awesome in any case.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
It's amazing the difference between the SD-DVD and HD-DVD. So much more detail, and the TrueHD sound is amazing. It's like going from VHS to DVD all over again.

I thought there were no receivers capable of processing TrueHD. What receiver do you have? Do you have 7.1? I imagine a nice 7.1 system is awesome in any case.

That is correct. Currently, the players do all of the processing/decoding.

 
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
It's amazing the difference between the SD-DVD and HD-DVD. So much more detail, and the TrueHD sound is amazing. It's like going from VHS to DVD all over again.

I thought there were no receivers capable of processing TrueHD. What receiver do you have? Do you have 7.1? I imagine a nice 7.1 system is awesome in any case.

That is correct. Currently, the players do all of the processing/decoding.


So what exactly is it passing to the receiver? Is there really a perceptible difference on a 5.1 system between TrueHD and Dolby Digital?
 

Reckoner

Lifer
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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
It's amazing the difference between the SD-DVD and HD-DVD. So much more detail, and the TrueHD sound is amazing. It's like going from VHS to DVD all over again.

I thought there were no receivers capable of processing TrueHD. What receiver do you have? Do you have 7.1? I imagine a nice 7.1 system is awesome in any case.

There's a workaround. The Toshiba HD-A1 player I have will decode Dolby Digital Plus, and the other TrueHD formats instead of the Receiver. All I have to do is use the 5.1 Analog connections in the back of the DVD player, and connect them to the Receiver. Then I set the audio to PCM, and voila, TrueHD sound :)
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
It's amazing the difference between the SD-DVD and HD-DVD. So much more detail, and the TrueHD sound is amazing. It's like going from VHS to DVD all over again.

I thought there were no receivers capable of processing TrueHD. What receiver do you have? Do you have 7.1? I imagine a nice 7.1 system is awesome in any case.

That is correct. Currently, the players do all of the processing/decoding.


So what exactly is it passing to the receiver? Is there really a perceptible difference on a 5.1 system between TrueHD and Dolby Digital?

Receivers that have HDMI 1.1+ can receive an uncompressed 8-channel PCM signal from the HD-DVD player.
 

five40

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
is the movie in 1080p for hd-dvd or no?

but still, congrats on a damn good quality looking movie!

There currently are no 1080p HD-DVD players.
I don't think it would make any difference if there were. I read that there are no TV's currently capable of accepting a 1080p signal, anyway.

So wouldn't the current ones just re-do whatever signal they're receiving anyway?

In that case, I don't see a reason to get a 1080p HD DVD player if all a 1080p TV is going to do is re-process the signal anyway.
Just get a 1080i DVD and let the 1080p TV do its thing.


Conehead...are you sure there are no 1080p players? Everyone seems to say that, but it seems that the Toshiba's are 1080p. If you go to the product site at http://tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/products/players/hd-a1 and click on Features & Specs, you'll see one of the bullet points is "HD Content Output via HDMI (Disc Native Resolution)". Now if you look at the back of a HD DVD you'll see it says Video: 1080p. I take that as if I where to watch the movie via HDMI I'd see it at 1080p.

Pacfanweb, there are good number of sets that will display 1080p.
 

Reckoner

Lifer
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Originally posted by: five40
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
is the movie in 1080p for hd-dvd or no?

but still, congrats on a damn good quality looking movie!

There currently are no 1080p HD-DVD players.
I don't think it would make any difference if there were. I read that there are no TV's currently capable of accepting a 1080p signal, anyway.

So wouldn't the current ones just re-do whatever signal they're receiving anyway?

In that case, I don't see a reason to get a 1080p HD DVD player if all a 1080p TV is going to do is re-process the signal anyway.
Just get a 1080i DVD and let the 1080p TV do its thing.


Conehead...are you sure there are no 1080p players? Everyone seems to say that, but it seems that the Toshiba's are 1080p. If you go to the product site at http://tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/products/players/hd-a1 and click on Features & Specs, you'll see one of the bullet points is "HD Content Output via HDMI (Disc Native Resolution)". Now if you look at the back of a HD DVD you'll see it says Video: 1080p. I take that as if I where to watch the movie via HDMI I'd see it at 1080p.

Pacfanweb, there are good number of sets that will display 1080p.

The Toshiba does not offer 1080p at the current time. However, it doesn't really matter anyways. If you have a 1080p TV, it'll take the 1080i feed and convert it over to 1080p anyways.
 

five40

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: five40
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
is the movie in 1080p for hd-dvd or no?

but still, congrats on a damn good quality looking movie!

There currently are no 1080p HD-DVD players.
I don't think it would make any difference if there were. I read that there are no TV's currently capable of accepting a 1080p signal, anyway.

So wouldn't the current ones just re-do whatever signal they're receiving anyway?

In that case, I don't see a reason to get a 1080p HD DVD player if all a 1080p TV is going to do is re-process the signal anyway.
Just get a 1080i DVD and let the 1080p TV do its thing.


Conehead...are you sure there are no 1080p players? Everyone seems to say that, but it seems that the Toshiba's are 1080p. If you go to the product site at http://tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/products/players/hd-a1 and click on Features & Specs, you'll see one of the bullet points is "HD Content Output via HDMI (Disc Native Resolution)". Now if you look at the back of a HD DVD you'll see it says Video: 1080p. I take that as if I where to watch the movie via HDMI I'd see it at 1080p.

Pacfanweb, there are good number of sets that will display 1080p.

The Toshiba does not offer 1080p at the current time. However, it doesn't really matter anyways. If you have a 1080p TV, it'll take the 1080i feed and convert it over to 1080p anyways.

They should take that wording off of their website because it's not super accurate. What TV does the upconverting? I've never heard of something like that unless the TV has it built in.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: five40
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
is the movie in 1080p for hd-dvd or no?

but still, congrats on a damn good quality looking movie!

There currently are no 1080p HD-DVD players.
I don't think it would make any difference if there were. I read that there are no TV's currently capable of accepting a 1080p signal, anyway.

So wouldn't the current ones just re-do whatever signal they're receiving anyway?

In that case, I don't see a reason to get a 1080p HD DVD player if all a 1080p TV is going to do is re-process the signal anyway.
Just get a 1080i DVD and let the 1080p TV do its thing.


Conehead...are you sure there are no 1080p players? Everyone seems to say that, but it seems that the Toshiba's are 1080p. If you go to the product site at http://tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/products/players/hd-a1 and click on Features & Specs, you'll see one of the bullet points is "HD Content Output via HDMI (Disc Native Resolution)". Now if you look at the back of a HD DVD you'll see it says Video: 1080p. I take that as if I where to watch the movie via HDMI I'd see it at 1080p.

Pacfanweb, there are good number of sets that will display 1080p.

Display, yes. I was talking actually receiving a 1080p signal.
That what you mean?
I know that most TV's that do 1080p, from what I've seen, just upconvert but can't actually accept a 1080p signal without breaking it down then re-upconverting itself.

Are you saying they can simply accept and display a 1080p signal?
 

tboo

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The new Sony SXRD sets, the new Mitsu DLP sets & the new Samsung DLP sets all accept 1080p through their HDMI inputs. I have a 1st gen Mitsu 1080p DLP & it will accept 1080p through its firewire inputs & the HDMI 2 input.
 

xtknight

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Is that an H.264-encoded film? Do you notice any compression artifacts in dark areas or is it all very flawless (i.e. uncompressed)?
 

Reckoner

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Originally posted by: xtknight
Is that an H.264-encoded film? Do you notice any compression artifacts in dark areas or is it all very flawless (i.e. uncompressed)?

I've watched a couple HD-DVDs so far- Unforgiven and Pitch Black. The picture has been flawless. The only problem I had with Pitch Black was towards the end of the movie, the audio went out of sync with the actors in the movie for around 5-7 minutes, then it resynched.
 

13Gigatons

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The only thing 1080p60 is good for is live sport broadcast. All movies are still 24p so it's not going to make much of a difference.
 

five40

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: five40
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: secretanchitman
is the movie in 1080p for hd-dvd or no?

but still, congrats on a damn good quality looking movie!

There currently are no 1080p HD-DVD players.
I don't think it would make any difference if there were. I read that there are no TV's currently capable of accepting a 1080p signal, anyway.

So wouldn't the current ones just re-do whatever signal they're receiving anyway?

In that case, I don't see a reason to get a 1080p HD DVD player if all a 1080p TV is going to do is re-process the signal anyway.
Just get a 1080i DVD and let the 1080p TV do its thing.


Conehead...are you sure there are no 1080p players? Everyone seems to say that, but it seems that the Toshiba's are 1080p. If you go to the product site at http://tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd/products/players/hd-a1 and click on Features & Specs, you'll see one of the bullet points is "HD Content Output via HDMI (Disc Native Resolution)". Now if you look at the back of a HD DVD you'll see it says Video: 1080p. I take that as if I where to watch the movie via HDMI I'd see it at 1080p.

Pacfanweb, there are good number of sets that will display 1080p.

Display, yes. I was talking actually receiving a 1080p signal.
That what you mean?
I know that most TV's that do 1080p, from what I've seen, just upconvert but can't actually accept a 1080p signal without breaking it down then re-upconverting itself.

Are you saying they can simply accept and display a 1080p signal?

I meant accept and display a 1080p signal. Many of the newer lcd tvs have resolutions of 1920x1080.
 

homestarmy

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Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
The only thing 1080p60 is good for is live sport broadcast. All movies are still 24p so it's not going to make much of a difference.

Movies shot on film are 24fps, yes.

Not all movies are shot on film though...