piracy thoughts

[IHateMyJob2004]

f the movie and record industry were so upset over P2P programs, why wouldn't they spend the money to develop software that can be installed at ISPs to block P2P programs.

Even if it were difficult, they claim tens if not hundreds of millions are lost per year due to piracy. From a cost/benefit point of view, wouldn't it be cheaper to just pay $10M to develop software that ISPs can utilize free of charge to block P2P traffic? As a software engineer, I know it's not the easiest software to develop, but far from impossible.

Of course, there are problems with this idea. Like the ISPs have to all voluntarily install the software and what would happen if you were caught? Would the ISP cancel your internet? They don't want ot loose the business. I suppose they could warn you and say the next offense will result in account termination and/or reporting your information to the record/movie industry.

Thoughts......

 

[intogamer]

Because they can't force the ISP to install

 

[Neurorelay]

You can't lose money that would have never been yours in the first place.

 

[Overkiller]

Or they could develop a new distribution system that makes HD video (not even video at 1280) but say something lowly such as normal DVD quality video on demand.

I have a full-time job and I am in college. The only time i have to do stuff is when everything more or less is closed. Give me my movie when I want it and you will get duly compensated.

I can't fathom how the idiots haven't fully realized the success of itunes (it's been out a while). While the margins would be less "relatively speaking" it's a pretty low-cost solution for those that cannot make it out at certain times.

Thankfully an indie film studio will simultaneously release all of its new movies in theatres and up for download(stream?). I forget which one. it was in business 2.0 about 3 months ago...

 

[Kalbi]

Originally posted by: Neurorelay
You can't lose money that would have never been yours in the first place.

bingo. i would never have watched most of the movies that i dow...oooh i almost fell into that one.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: intogamer
Because they can't force the ISP to install

True. But if they started sueing ISPS that have P2P traffic going throguh them .....

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Neurorelay
You can't lose money that would have never been yours in the first place.

Well, that's kinda the logic I'm thinking of. The record insutry and movie industry are full of it.

 

[Fenixgoon]

what about people who legally trade their own music/pictures over p2p programs? for them, its an infringement on their right to free speech.
tons of bands put their songs on napster (when it was in its prime) and they became immediately popular. I remember my friend picked out 3 songs he really liked, and within 1 week of telling me about each song, i heard it on the radio.

 

[Trygve]

Why would ISPs want to install such software? P2P software is legal and it has legal and legitimate uses. How will you distinguish between them?

Why not install software that blocks all email because spam is a problem?

If they blocked all P2P traffic, this probably wouldn't be a problem, but if they attempt to do some kind of active filtering on their clients' outgoing traffic, they run the risk of putting themselves in the legal position of "editor/publisher" rather than "common carrier" and would thus become liable *themselves* for any illegal filesharing activities that slipped past their notice.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

ISP's could block the p2p ports if they wanted to, the p2p programs would simply be changed to different ports.

the way to stop this foolishnes is to take away the advantages (or at least most of the advantages) of piracy in the first place. (i.e. them stop spending all this money fighting it and let the law enforcement agencies handle it, then pass those savings on to the people who aren't pirating and make that many more people less likely to pirate in the first place)

 

[borosp1]

with bittorent you can just change the port if your ISP blocks the standard ports bittorent uses. Piracy has been around forever and will be around forever. If someone will find a way to makea bigger mousetrap (HDTV blue ray disks) then the pirates will just find a way around it.

 

[mugs]

Such software already exists.

 

[intogamer]

also there will also be piracy other than downloading
bootleggs, copying etc.

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
f the movie and record industry were so upset over P2P programs, why wouldn't they spend the money to develop software that can be installed at ISPs to block P2P programs.

there are SO MANY ways to get stuff..what would you want to block ?
P2P ? Bittorrent ? Emule/edonkey ? XYZ upcoming whatsoever P2P ?
ftp ? usenet ? mail ? xyz protocol ? http (warez sites) ?

then better block the whole intarnet...what you propose is virtually impossible.

 

[borosp1]

What the movie industry is doing to curb pirated movies in the theatre being sold is by releaseing DVDs of movies in the theatre litarrally 3-6 motnhs after its theatre release. It used to be over a year when you saw a DVD of a movie that was in the theatre.

 

[Eeezee]

How about they worry less about small-time P2P and more about the REAL losses from bootlegs?

There are factories in nations like China dedicated to manufacturing bootlegs for sale in stores throughout the world. Many of these make their way into American stores.

Don't you think this would be a considerably greater loss of revenue? When someone buys a bootleg, you can be sure that they probably wanted that movie and would have paid the standard retail price if it weren't so ludicrously high. If I don't want a movie, I'm not even going to pay a dollar for it, but I MIGHT download it. The movie is going to appear on basic cable within months anyway (without commercial breaks), so what's the harm? I don't determine the ratings for these stations, so it's not like choosing to watch the movie on a particular station is going to do anything for anyone. There are no commecrials during the broadcast, so there's no additional advertising revenue.

What's the difference between downloading a $hitty movie and watching a $hitty movie on basic cable? The movie industry is full of it.

I refuse to endorse game piracy, the developers go through too much work to pump out some great titles and aren't paid nearly enough. Those losses are REAL. The record/movie losses are FAKE. I can certainly wait a few months/years for a game to drop in price, but those funds still go back to the publishers. Radio and cable broadcasts deliver music/movies for free (relatively speaking).

 

[0roo0roo]

people interested in popular culture are more inclined to consume it. so many "piraters" actually are also their best customers..unlilke others who are so turned off and uninterested they just ignore most of popular culture completely, they wont pirate a cent, but the industry won't get a cent from them anyways. not a good idea to persecute your customers.

 

[Lifted]

I think ISP's should block all text and picture traffic as well since it may be copyrighted. Just block all ports between 1 and 65535, problem solved.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Lifted
I think ISP's should block all text and picture traffic as well since it may be copyrighted. Just block all ports between 1 and 65535, problem solved.

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