Piracy stats don't add up

aidanjm

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I thought this was quite interesting:

"A confidential briefing for the Attorney-General's Department, prepared by the Australian Institute of Criminology, criticizes the music and software sectors. The draft of the institute's intellectual property crime report, sighted by The Australian shows that copyright owners "failed to explain" how they reached financial loss statistics used in lobbying activities and court cases...

The study, which says some of the statistics used by copyright owners are "absurd", will be redrafted after senior researchers disagreed with its conclusions... Researcher Alex Malik, working for the AIC under a commission from the Attorney-General's Department and IP Australia, was particularly critical of the use of statistics in court... "Of greatest concern is the potentially unqualified use of these statistics in courts of law," the draft reads.

The report, intended as a confidential government briefing, casts doubt on the methodology of some industry piracy studies. It says the manager of the recording industry's anti-piracy arm, Music Industry Piracy Investigations, did not know how piracy estimates were calculated, as that work was done by the International Federation of Phonographic Industries in London. Copyright owners often use street-value estimates to calculate losses, but this assumes that every person who bought pirated goods would otherwise have paid for a legitimate item, the report notes...

Many copyright holders claimed links between piracy and organised crime, but AIC researcher had found nothing to support that view. "Either there is no evidence of any links between piracy and organised crime or it is simply beyond the capacity of rights holders to identify these links," he wrote, adding that he was concerned about the way piracy figures were being used.

"It is inappropriate for courts and policy makers to accept at face value currently unsubstantiated statistics.

"Either these statistics must be withdrawn or the purveyors of these statistics must supply valid and transparent substantiation."

Piracy stats don't add up



Have the statistical 'analyses' of the RPAA been placed under serious scrutiny by statisticians? This article makes me wonder how they are calculating their figures. As pointed out in the text, it's probably not reasonable to assume that every person who bought (or downloaded) pirated goods would otherwise have paid for the 'legitimate' item. I also wonder if there has been any attempt to estimate the gains in revenue produced by downloads of music (via the effect of increasing a recording artist's popularity, for example, leading to increased sales in music or concerts).
 

sandorski

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People have been making these points for years. 10 years ago me and everyone I knew had Pirated Windows, games, Apps, and just about everything else. Now we all have legitimized our Software purchases as we became comfortable with the state of Software and realized what we want/need and what we don't.

The Music industry is notorious for releasing crap. Things like the iTunes music store have made it easier to get decent Music these days, but purchasing any physical album is still a crapshoot for many new Artists. For example: The song used in the Xbox Gears of War commercial recently caught my attention, I had to have that song! So after someone clued me into who performed it I checked out the Album the song was on. Other than that one song the rest of the Album made me wanna puke up a lung! The Music Industry needs only to examine itself to see what's wrong with their Sales.
 

Aisengard

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The song sandorski was talking about was Mad World by Gary Jules (from the Donnie Darko soundtrack), and it was only good because it was a cover of a Tears for Fears song.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Aisengard
The song sandorski was talking about was Mad World by Gary Jules (from the Donnie Darko soundtrack), and it was only good because it was a cover of a Tears for Fears song.

A cover song, figures. :D The rest of that album is spectacularly crappy, IMO anyway.
 

piasabird

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It is not like when you bought a record 20 years ago they gave you a limited use license to keep in case your copy of the music was destroyed. Technically I should have got a license to use the music along with my Albums.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: piasabird
It is not like when you bought a record 20 years ago they gave you a limited use license to keep in case your copy of the music was destroyed. Technically I should have got a license to use the music along with my Albums.

actually almost without exception even the top superstar artists have only 1 or 2 maybe 3 good songs on an album!! The rest are crappy songs usually!!
 

SirStev0

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Nov 13, 2003
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If I remember correctly, 89.94380435987234% of statistics are completely bullshart made up!

Doesnt surprise me... they lie to us about everything else...
 

MikeO

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Piracy stats don't add up

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...seriously, is there anyone who didn't know these "stats" are gathered using the "pulling-from-the-arse" technique?

Copyright owners often use street-value estimates to calculate losses, but this assumes that every person who bought pirated goods would otherwise have paid for a legitimate item

This is something the industry or their supporters, the "copyright infringement equals theft" idiots, will never, ever understand.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: piasabird
It is not like when you bought a record 20 years ago they gave you a limited use license to keep in case your copy of the music was destroyed. Technically I should have got a license to use the music along with my Albums.

actually almost without exception even the top superstar artists have only 1 or 2 maybe 3 good songs on an album!! The rest are crappy songs usually!!

Find better artists to listen to :p
 

zephyrprime

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Well honestly, it's no surprise that these statistics are total BS. If you added up all the supposed losses suffered by the record industry due to pirating, it would probably yield a bigger sum than the industry has ever grossed in its history.
 

ayabe

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If the music industry wonders why their revenues have gone down they should turn on BET/MTV/Fuse or whatever and listen to the songs that they are releasing. I mean come on, Nickelback has won a bunch of awards this year for being the best rock group.

Basically 90% +/- of all music released today is complete garbage.


Justin Timberlake dancing around talking about sexytime is about all they can produce now and that does not bode well for the industry as a whole.
 

GoPackGo

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The question one has to ask is: does most of the music today have the longevity of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, U2, REM and many others?

Plus, with XM, Radio@AOL, etc... why would I buy CDs of music I only listen to casually?