pin mod for e4300

[hans007]

seeing as the e4300 and e6600 have the same multiplier..


i'm wondering... will there be some sort of easy pin mod type thing on the e4300 that will make it think it needs a 1066 bus.


i have an intel branded board. and i'm sure people who have say... dells would like to know this. as i'd love to be able to pop a new e4300 into my board, have it think its an e6600 and not have to go into the bios at all.

i would assume this new chip could do e6600 speeds with no voltage boost, so was hoping to know if anyone had any idea if this is even possible.

 

[Zap]

Possible? Most likely. Used to do stuff like this on Intel chips by going to http://developer.intel.com and downloading the PDF datasheets for the CPUs, then using them to find out which were the BSEL pins, then shorting them out with wire or... breaking them off. With LGA I'd imagine you'd have to insulate it, perhaps with a tiny bit of electrical tape like we used to do with slot 1 Celerons, or use conductive ink to connect it with another pad depending on the setting needed. Maybe I'll look it up.

 

[stevty2889]

Yes, more than likely you'll be able to pin mod an E4300, however it'll be tricky since the pins are in the motherboard socket.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: hans007
seeing as the e4300 and e6600 have the same multiplier..


i'm wondering... will there be some sort of easy pin mod type thing on the e4300 that will make it think it needs a 1066 bus.


i have an intel branded board. and i'm sure people who have say... dells would like to know this. as i'd love to be able to pop a new e4300 into my board, have it think its an e6600 and not have to go into the bios at all.

i would assume this new chip could do e6600 speeds with no voltage boost, so was hoping to know if anyone had any idea if this is even possible.

But the E4300 has half the physical cache of the E6600, not half locked out like the E6300 and E6400.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Roguestar
But the E4300 has half the physical cache of the E6600, not half locked out like the E6300 and E6400.

And that means?

Will it OC better because it is a physically smaller die/lower transistor count?

Will it OC worse because of less surface area touching the inside of the IHS causing it to run warmer?

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: hans007
seeing as the e4300 and e6600 have the same multiplier..


i'm wondering... will there be some sort of easy pin mod type thing on the e4300 that will make it think it needs a 1066 bus.


i have an intel branded board. and i'm sure people who have say... dells would like to know this. as i'd love to be able to pop a new e4300 into my board, have it think its an e6600 and not have to go into the bios at all.

i would assume this new chip could do e6600 speeds with no voltage boost, so was hoping to know if anyone had any idea if this is even possible.

But the E4300 has half the physical cache of the E6600, not half locked out like the E6300 and E6400.

i would assume it would have little to no effect on the overclockability to stock e6600 clock speed (2.4ghz) with no voltage boost.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Roguestar
But the E4300 has half the physical cache of the E6600, not half locked out like the E6300 and E6400.

Will it OC better because it is a physically smaller die/lower transistor count?

Will it OC worse because of less surface area touching the inside of the IHS causing it to run warmer?

haha i love those questions

so in this case, anyone successfully do this on that ecs combo? is it connecting 2 pins/conductive ink, or masking a pin? (how would you do it now that its LGA )

edit: i found it (with pix)
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=498167&page=2

 

[gOJDO]

Pinmod for FSB is useless. Only a pinmod for unlocking the multiplier is worth.

 

[Doh!]

There are numerous ecs owners who have successfully performed the pin mod on their e4300, resulting in a 33% overclock (from 200 to 266). Currently, I have mine at 2.7 ghz (9x300). Not bad for a super cheap Fry's combo.

I obtained the instructions from postings made by highwire and Zap. I have posted the pics. at ocforums.com

 

[Doh!]

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Pinmod for FSB is useless. Only a pinmod for unlocking the multiplier is worth.

Not if you have the combo from Fry's.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e4300modfn6.jpg

see these links for further instructions

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=316416
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=498167&page=2
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

doh, this is an old thread..who brought this up again..dang

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: Doh!

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Pinmod for FSB is useless. Only a pinmod for unlocking the multiplier is worth.

Not if you have the combo from Fry's.

Doh! - Congrats! I look forward to doing this in the next couple days. I appreciate your effort (and everyone else who had a hand in it) and pictures of the correct FSB mod implementation. I've purchased the combo, but have yet to install it.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: gOJDO
Pinmod for FSB is useless.

The BSEL pinmod is actually quite useful for a few reasons. #1 Getting an overclock on boards that otherwise doesn't overclock (or doesn't overclock enough). #2 Some boards have memory multipliers linked to the detected FSB, so by changing the detected FSB you "unlock" other memory multipliers. #3 Some boards have quirky overclocking behavior because of "FSB Strap" which is again the detected FSB. By changing what is detected, the board magically can run at a much higher FSB.

 

[highwire]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=e4300modfn6.jpg

see these links for further instructions

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=316416
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=498167&page=2
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

doh, this is an old thread..who brought this up again..dang

As a kindly gesture toward whigger BlingBlingArse to help reduce his stomach acid, I will bring him up to speed on the refs he cited:

The first, a pic possibly by our own Doh!, shows a mod that only sometimes works.

The second ref is a discussion (im Deutsch at that!) of the same approach.

The third ref has Doh! relaying info from Anandtech forum to ocforum of the real deal.

The forth cite IS the real deal. Yes, I know this is a Ghetto mod, but that is what some of us here are into.

Hope this helps.

 

[RamIt]

whigger?

 

[Shimmishim]

how about 333?

Link

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
how about 333?

Link

Motherboard support?

 

[Doh!]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
how about 333?

Link

Yes, I wanted to push the cpu a little further after my successful pin mod. The problem is the pin mod is mostly done by the Fry's combo buyers that ended up w/ the world's cheapest board, ECS P4M800Pro-M that limits fsb to 300 & no AGP/PCI locks. If I had a real 965 board, I guess the pin mod wasn't even necessary.

I know highwire is currently working on modding the bios to unlock the 300 limit (I've also fiddled around w/ utilities to mod the bios but no success so far).

So for me, the 333 mod won't happen until the success of modding the bios.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
how about 333?

Link

Motherboard support?

In light of Doh!'s comment, I see why you are asking this.

The mod was detected on a P5B deluxe but that board can do over 300 mhz fsb easy.

I guess the 266 mod is the way to go until someone can figure out how to get over 300 FSB on the ECS board.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: Doh!

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
how about 333?

Link

Yes, I wanted to push the cpu a little further after my successful pin mod. The problem is the pin mod is mostly done by the Fry's combo buyers that ended up w/ the world's cheapest board, ECS P4M800Pro-M that limits fsb to 300 & no AGP/PCI locks. If I had a real 965 board, I guess the pin mod wasn't even necessary.

I know highwire is currently working on modding the bios to unlock the 300 limit (I've also fiddled around w/ utilities to mod the bios but no success so far).

So for me, the 333 mod won't happen until the success of modding the bios.

The 333 mod is also done to trick the motherboard into thinking its a 1333FSB chip which has allowed for a few extra mhz FSB on the quadcore.

Here is a thread on the subject over at XS.org
Link

 

[EagleDM]

Hello there people, I'm new to this forum

I will try to tell my experience with this 'mod'

My current motherboard is the P965 Platinum from MSI, I bought it because Tom's recommendation, how wrong I was, to trust one opinion.



The current status of the BIOS does not permit E4300 overclocking because no PCI lock, so, any speed higher than 250 is a NO go.

I did try the pin mod, first with the 333 mod which is easier, NO go, startup, shutdown, startup, shutdown...


Did the partial mod for 266, no go either... same startup shutdown thingy...

Did the COMPLETE mod, which in fact worked perfectly on a nForce 570 and 680i SLI which I tried previous to put the cpu on this motherboard.


Uppon starting, the motherboard says: E4300 - 200Mhz CPU

and a title that says...

The current 266Mhz Speed is not supported, this is a 200Mhz CPU, performace will be degraded...

That should not be the problem, but.. it gives a complete BIOS corruption of the saved settings and I'm stuck with a screen that says

CMOS wrong..

Press F1 to enter SETUP

Each time I enter setup, is tha same thing... save and exit and then the same windows... press F1 to enter SETUP

Conclusion: have to put an E6600 to rescue the board and re-flash the BIOS.

Already tried all BIOS for this board and Im at a losss here... no more than 240 of bus is really histerical for me now.



Is there any way there could be a BIOS mod for this piece of crap of a motherboard or should I be stuck with this until I trade it for a REAL motherboard, like the P5B?

Do you guys have any idea how can this be solved?


Thank you in advance.

 

[jpeyton]

Success!

 

[mhartsel]

I am getting the E4300 in a couple of days from ZipZoomFly and also a Asrock 775I65G 865G board from them as well. I would love to do the PIN MOD before putting the chip in. I am only interested in the FSB bump from 200 to 266 at this time. No Voltage Mods etc. Please post which pins need to be masked or connected for the FSB adjustment.

I would be thrilled to have near E6600 performance for an $230 investment.

I will post my results with this board if the mod works. This Mother board Asrock 775I65G 865G is retailing for $51 at ZipZoomFly....Newegg is not carrying it for some reason. But it supports my 2GIG of Patriot memory and my Nvidia GT6600 AGP.

PLEASE Post the mod ................. FSB200 to FSB266

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: mhartsel
I am getting the E4300 in a couple of days from ZipZoomFly and also a Asrock 775I65G 865G board from them as well. I would love to do the PIN MOD before putting the chip in. I am only interested in the FSB bump from 200 to 266 at this time. No Voltage Mods etc. Please post which pins need to be masked or connected for the FSB adjustment.

I would be thrilled to have near E6600 performance for an $230 investment.

I will post my results with this board if the mod works. This Mother board Asrock 775I65G 865G is retailing for $51 at ZipZoomFly....Newegg is not carrying it for some reason. But it supports my 2GIG of Patriot memory and my Nvidia GT6600 AGP.

PLEASE Post the mod .................

HERE

 

[mhartsel]

AkumaX...yeah, I have downloaded that picture but I didn't read anywhere if BSEL2 needed to be isolated or not....from what I have read it looks like BSEL1 needs to be isolated on the CPU, but BSEL1 needs to be connected to VSS on the motherboard side. In affect H30 Isolated from CPU.....H30 connected to L30 on motherboard side. http://mysite.verizon.net/ress2gv3/fsb200_fsb266/

JUST NEED SOMEONE to clarify this....should be getting my E4300 in a couple of days and want to try it out first thing.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=498167&page=2