Pilots tested jet's limits for 'fun' before fatal crash

[crab]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: crab
Investigation Exibits

Same company, but according to the preliminary report, not the same incident. The OP's article was in Missouri while that link happened in Milwakee. And that link had passengers deplaning.

That bottom report is a different incident, but is related to this one in some way so it is included as a reference.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: crab
They took it to an altitude it was certified to fly at. These things are done so much more often than you guys could ever imagine. Ferry flights can be quite interesting.

Know what the temp is up there? Could have easily damaged the engines by flying at those altitudes for a while.

No, it just caused them to shut down. They said the pilots may not have been familiar with the restart procedure for that plane. Ultimately, it cost them their lives. The plane should have been able to do that and they didn't consider the consequences of going up to the ceiling of that planes capabilities.

They also said that flying those planes is about as exciting as being a truck driver on a long haul. Boredom is a real problem for these pilots.

15 minutes of pure adreneline surrounding 2 hours of complete boredom.

 

[crab]

CVR Transcript.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

"Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz died in the Oct. 14, 2004 crash near Jefferson City, Mo."

vs.

"On March 11, 2005, at 2302 central standard time, a Bombardier CL-600-2B19, N8932C operated by Pinnacle Airlines as "Flagship 2823," recieved substantial damage..."


Edit:
Unless the wrong preliminary report is attached.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: crab
They took it to an altitude it was certified to fly at. These things are done so much more often than you guys could ever imagine. Ferry flights can be quite interesting.

I'm sure it might be able to do it under optimal conditions and the plane was in perfect shape. Anytime you push a machine to the max you definitely run the risk of the machine failing, which is exactly what happened.

so if your car redlines at 6500 rpm, and you get it up to 6400 and your engine dies, you wouldn't think the engine was defective?

no but 10 other's here will go on about street racing is a crime.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
bfd

you fail to mention how this joyriding caused the engine to break, so i dont really see the point. if the manufacturer says it can fly at that height, then it should be able to and if it can't they are to blame. it could just be a coincidence too.

It didn't break, it stalled. There is a difference.

Edit-The restart procedure for that aircraft is 13 pages long.

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
"Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz died in the Oct. 14, 2004 crash near Jefferson City, Mo."

vs.

"On March 11, 2005, at 2302 central standard time, a Bombardier CL-600-2B19, N8932C operated by Pinnacle Airlines as "Flagship 2823," recieved substantial damage..."


Edit:
Unless the wrong preliminary report is attached.

Read the header at the top of the main page...like I said..."That bottom report is a different incident, but is related to this one in some way so it is included as a reference."

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Okay, that makes sense. I didn't see it. (still don't, but it makes sense)

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Okay, that makes sense. I didn't see it. (still don't, but it makes sense)

Yeah...I actually don't see a relevant similarity but who knows what they know.

 

[crab]

This is the likely reason the engines wouldn't restart:

GE's CF34 "Core Lock"
Core Lock from the ALPA

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: skace
Are those jets specced to handle that altitude?

Edit: According to Crab, they are. So I don't see what the problem is.

 

[NuroMancer]

It's rated to 41,000 feet, do you really think that they didn't go above that and remain above? I doubt they hit 41,000 and stoped accending instantly. They were probally at 41,150 feet or something. Also apparently on the tape recording someone opened a beer or pop, speculation is a beer(according to the paper this morning).

 

[Azraele]

My question is would the engines have failed if they had been flying lower?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: franguinho

Originally posted by: skace
Are those jets specced to handle that altitude?

Edit: According to Crab, they are. So I don't see what the problem is.

Note, they are probably rated to that under ideal circumstances...properly maintained, normal weather, seasoned pilots...et cetera.

That's like getting in a sub rated for 500 meters, but which hasn't been down that far before and usually doesn't go below 100 meters, and going to 500 meters just for the hell of it. sure you can do it and probably live, but why take that chance?

At least with a plane you can bail out with a parachute......unless you aren't too smert

 

[crab]

Originally posted by: Azraele
My question is would the engines have failed if they had been flying lower?

Probably not...they had compressor stalls from the lack of airflow over the blades...then the engines shock cooled and siezed.