Question PiHole Lists?

Homerboy · Jun 1, 2020

I just set up a PiHole on my network yesterday and it generally seems to be running ok (except stupid AT&T doesn't let you change your DNS so that's a pain in the butt. At least my Ubiquity AP allows for manual DNS)
However, it still seems on some pages that ads will load (like the big banner ad at the top of CNN.com. I'm trying to find the latest and greatest lists out there, but I can't seem to find a good (new) comprehensive list.
Any help or ideas?

ch33zw1z · Jun 16, 2020

Homerboy said:
I could go that route, or as suggested earlier, let pihole handle the DHCP aspect of everything. That's all just more work and it seems like it's working fine now by manually setting the IPv4 properties on the 2 hardwired PCs in my house and then on my Wireless AP seeing the DNS to the pihole.

If you're happy with that, let it ride. No need to get all crazy about it. I will say my ER-X let's me change DNS for each of my VLAN's. The flexibility is nice.

sdifox · Jun 16, 2020

ch33zw1z said:
If it's a ISP gateway, probably modem/router device.

Maybe he can set the ATT gateway to bridge mode and get a standalone router to run everything

Yeah you can always disable the router portion and just have it on bridge mode.

Homerboy · Jun 16, 2020

ch33zw1z said:
If you're happy with that, let it ride. No need to get all crazy about it. I will say my ER-X let's me change DNS for each of my VLAN's. The flexibility is nice.

Yeah it's more than enough. Nothing complicated at my house so if it works, it works.

ViviTheMage · Jun 17, 2020

ch33zw1z · Jun 17, 2020

Wow, that's a lot of lists. How much additional benefit do you see?

For instance, the default lists take care of ads in web browsers very well, and even removes the ads on my roku and in the roku channel.

But youtube and hulu still get thru. Do any of those lists block either or both or those?

Hail The Brain Slug · Jun 17, 2020

Do you have IPv6 enabled on your home network? I've had a constant issue with my router advertising itself to all devices on the network as a DNS.

No matter what I do, every device has the router as one of the IPv6 DNS options. Even disabling the router's DHCP server and using the built in pi-hole DHCP, the router still advertises itself and every device picks it up.

Your AT&T router might be doing the same thing.

Fortunately for me, I can force the router to turn around and use the pi-hole as a DNS. But it still introduces minor issues as the router runs its own DNSMasq server and caches stuff. It's really annoying when I have to disable the pi-hole for something yet the request still goes to the router via IPv6 and the router returns it's cached 0.0.0.0.

Also, I use https://dbl.oisd.nl as a blocklist. It's a curated "master list" that has somewhere in the neighborhood of a million blocked domains.

bigi · Jun 18, 2020

So, I wanna move my PiHole to my router. Currently, I have it in bridge mode running in docker off my NAS.
What IP exactly do I need to reserve and set it as? Its own IP (within NAS) or NAS' IP?
... and then point to it in my router

sdifox · Jun 18, 2020

bigi said:
So, I wanna move my PiHole to my router. Currently, I have it in bridge mode running in docker off my NAS.
What IP exactly do I need to reserve and set it as? Its own IP (within NAS) or NAS' IP?
... and then point to it in my router

you are gonna have to check if you can assign an ip to a docker. if you can, do it and on router point to that ip as dns.

bigi · Jun 18, 2020

I can assign IP to NAS and to the instance of Docker/PIhole which are different. So, just use what I've reserved for Docker/PiHole?

sdifox · Jun 18, 2020

bigi said:
I can assign IP to NAS and to the instance of Docker/PIhole which are different. So, just use what I've reserved for Docker/PiHole?

yeap

pauldun170 · Jun 18, 2020

Fanatical Meat said:
@Homerboy please give a review after using it for some time.
Let me know if there are problems with shopping because my wife would hate that.

I've had mine running for a few months now. Ran into the wife "Shopping" situation where pictures were missing on whatever website and crap like this.
For the rare occasions that we bumped into it, its super simple to add an exception to allow specific lists in.
Log into pihole, pull up the blocked resource (will show up in the log) and you can allow it.

mxnerd · Jun 18, 2020

According this post, you can run PiHole on any model of Raspberry Pi.

What model Raspberry Pi should I use for Pi-hole?

Pi-hole has low resource requirements and can even run over wireless. All model Raspberry Pi's will work for Pi-hole: Zero Zero W 1B 1B+ 2B 2B+ 3B 3B+ but don't take our word for it: https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/8g36cc/whats_the_goto_model_for_pihole/...

discourse.pi-hole.net

sdifox · Jun 18, 2020

mxnerd said:
According this post, you can run PiHole on any model of Raspberry Pi.

What model Raspberry Pi should I use for Pi-hole?

Pi-hole has low resource requirements and can even run over wireless. All model Raspberry Pi's will work for Pi-hole: Zero Zero W 1B 1B+ 2B 2B+ 3B 3B+ but don't take our word for it: https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/8g36cc/whats_the_goto_model_for_pihole/...

discourse.pi-hole.net

It's a very simple thing, not much resource needed to run it.

mxnerd · Jun 18, 2020

sdifox said:
It's a very simple thing, not much resource needed to run it.

Yeah. Don't have to run it in an x86 VM.

You can also download a distro of DietPi (a very lightweight Linux using text based UI) for many supported SBCs and run PiHole in addition to other software.

ch33zw1z · Jul 6, 2020

I ran into a problem over the weekend with the default lists and Roku / Hulu. Hulu would load the sound but not video. After confirming Both my Roku's were having the problem, I started looking at pihole. Trial and error == dpm.demdex.net needed to be whitelisted for hulu to work.

mxnerd · Jul 6, 2020

ch33zw1z said:
I ran into a problem over the weekend with the default lists and Roku / Hulu. Hulu would load the sound but not video. After confirming Both my Roku's were having the problem, I started looking at pihole. Trial and error == dpm.demdex.net needed to be whitelisted for hulu to work.

Googled and it's a domain owned by Adobe.

https://docs.adobe.com/content/help/en/audience-manager/user-guide/reference/demdex-calls.html

ch33zw1z · Jul 6, 2020

Cool, i was just reading the same link lol

ViviTheMage · Jul 6, 2020

ch33zw1z said:
Wow, that's a lot of lists. How much additional benefit do you see?

For instance, the default lists take care of ads in web browsers very well, and even removes the ads on my roku and in the roku channel.

But youtube and hulu still get thru. Do any of those lists block either or both or those?

The only issue I ran into was short links being blocked. I was looking for spam, ad, and malware blocking specifically. You'll want to look for a different set of lists for blocking services.

ch33zw1z · Jul 7, 2020

ViviTheMage said:
The only issue I ran into was short links being blocked. I was looking for spam, ad, and malware blocking specifically. You'll want to look for a different set of lists for blocking services.

My bad, I meant blocking the ads on Hulu and YouTube. But I doubt I find anything that still allows them to work while blocking ads.

I guess I could use pihole to block those services if I want. I blocked some website my younger son wouldnt stop visiting instead of doing his remote learning this spring, he was pretty upset

ViviTheMage · Jul 7, 2020

ch33zw1z said:
My bad, I meant blocking the ads on Hulu and YouTube. But I doubt I find anything that still allows them to work while blocking ads.

I guess I could use pihole to block those services if I want. I blocked some website my younger son wouldnt stop visiting instead of doing his remote learning this spring, he was pretty upset

Yeah, you would have a hard time blocking ads in those services without having a usable service, pretty sure they use the same cdn's.

I've actually never used pihole to block specific services, do they have good lists for that?

Fanatical Meat · Jul 7, 2020

I still haven’t put a pi hole in place yet.
Is it possible to put a roku outside of the pi hole?

ch33zw1z · Jul 7, 2020

Fanatical Meat said:
I still haven’t put a pi hole in place yet.
Is it possible to put a roku outside of the pi hole?

Absolutely. You can turn on the pihole, and only point to it things that you want to use it, as long as the device allows manual DNS server config.

ch33zw1z · Jul 7, 2020

ViviTheMage said:
Yeah, you would have a hard time blocking ads in those services without having a usable service, pretty sure they use the same cdn's.

I've actually never used pihole to block specific services, do they have good lists for that?

I'm not sure. I use default lists just for ads, people get pretty into it tho, but I guess you could just block URL's like *.Hulu.* or something like that

ViviTheMage · Jul 7, 2020

I just switched to pfBlockerNG-devel, since I already have pfsense setup. It's blocking basically everything I want from the get go. I might roll with this for a few weeks. Would be nice to shut off a VM.

I should add you can import other lists as you see fit, like msot of firebog's:

The Big Blocklist Collection

Pi-hole compatible blocklists for you to have a more enjoyable online presence

firebog.net

sdifox · Jul 7, 2020

ViviTheMage said:
I just switched to pfBlockerNG-devel, since I already have pfsense setup. It's blocking basically everything I want from the get go. I might roll with this for a few weeks. Would be nice to shut off a VM.

I should add you can import other lists as you see fit, like msot of firebog's:

The Big Blocklist Collection

Pi-hole compatible blocklists for you to have a more enjoyable online presence

firebog.net

And you can use the pihole lists as well.

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