Picking a UPS

doubledeluxe

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I have never needed to buy one before. I'm building 2 midrange rigs using most likely 500W corsairs with PFC and a NAS with maybe 400W.

How do I pick one out? I messed around with the online selectors for brands like APC and Cyberpower but I don't know.

I'm definitely not looking to spend a hundred bucks a pop if I can help it. I just need to be able to plug the PCs and monitors in and one of them, the one with the NAS will probably have the router plugged into it.

I'm in South America, and although I haven't had any power problems, I don't want to take any chances. So I was thinking about one that might be able to handle unstable power at some point.
 

Crab Balls

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On the budget you mention you might as well skip the idea. For that price you're going to buy an underpowered piece of garbage that is guaranteed to disappoint.

The other thing to consider is do you want a UPS that will send a "shut-down" signal to the equipment during a power loss or do you want one that you can run your equipment for 20+ minutes? I would suggest looking at APC's site as they make some decent UPS units. The ones that will give higher wattage and longer times will start getting expensive really fast. Also, if you have any surplus outlets near you try to find a used one. They are cheap and expect to change the batteries, so price with the intention of buying batteries. Any one of the APC units from 700VA to 1500VA that take two 12V 18Ahr batteries are the ones you will find that meet your needs.
 

doubledeluxe

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I don't need a long time. Don't most of them nowadays have the software that triggers an automatic shutdown? My old one just started beeping like crazy, I saved, and I shutdown the PC within a minute or two.

I just don't want to nuke my hardware.
 

bononos

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I don't need a long time. Don't most of them nowadays have the software that triggers an automatic shutdown? My old one just started beeping like crazy, I saved, and I shutdown the PC within a minute or two.

I just don't want to nuke my hardware.

Try and find out what the beeping means, it could be just a battery replacement.

Current pfc psus need a sine wave ups to work properly. A stepped wave might not work.

The cheapest APC sine wave type is the SMT* series which is around $250 for the cheapest model.
 

doubledeluxe

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Now I´m confused. There are 730 UPS's listed on Newegg. Only a fraction cost $250 or more. I can clearly see some from Cyberpower at least that specifically say they are Sinewave and cost less than $200. There's no way to sort by the ones that use a sine wave but all of them list a PC and monitor and the time they should last in the specs.

Is there a list somewhere of PFC PSU's that work without a sinewave? Corsair? Anything?
 

doubledeluxe

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Would this explain the buzzing with my last UPS? It's working extra hard or something to smooth the curve?

Is this just a matter of a PSU not lasting as long or will it damage the computer?
 

rchunter

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Try and find out what the beeping means, it could be just a battery replacement.

Current pfc psus need a sine wave ups to work properly. A stepped wave might not work.

The cheapest APC sine wave type is the SMT* series which is around $250 for the cheapest model.

The newest SMC series is sine wave also. I just bought a Smart-Ups SMC 1500 a couple months ago. It definitely has sine wave output. Paid something like $360 for it.
 

bononos

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Would this explain the buzzing with my last UPS? It's working extra hard or something to smooth the curve?

Is this just a matter of a PSU not lasting as long or will it damage the computer?

The buzzing sound should only come when theres a power outage and your (stepped wave) ups battery is powering your pc. Its not good but if all you're doing is shutting down in half a minute or less, its ok I think.

I just looked up the cheaper sine wave ups model from cyberpower and the 850 is $150 msrp, $120 on newegg.

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/pfc-sinewave-series.html
 

Charlie98

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Try and find out what the beeping means, it could be just a battery replacement.

Current pfc psus need a sine wave ups to work properly. A stepped wave might not work.

The cheapest APC sine wave type is the SMT* series which is around $250 for the cheapest model.


Like what, for example? I don't know what PFC means (well, in the Army it was Private First Class, but I don't think that's where we are going...)

Not to threadjack, but...

My APC has been going bad for a while (new in '08, I'm guessing the battery) but I swapped the PSU in my DESK rig to a newer SeaSonic... and now all of a sudden the UPS just drops... BAM! No warning, no beep... just shuts down completely. I thought of just getting a new battery, but I don't think the shutdowns are the fault of the battery... it would just error out and beep. A whole new unit isn't much more, but if new PSUs require pure sine, well, that changes stuff. :confused:
 

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Like what, for example? I don't know what PFC means (well, in the Army it was Private First Class, but I don't think that's where we are going...)

Not to threadjack, but...

My APC has been going bad for a while (new in '08, I'm guessing the battery) but I swapped the PSU in my DESK rig to a newer SeaSonic... and now all of a sudden the UPS just drops... BAM! No warning, no beep... just shuts down completely. I thought of just getting a new battery, but I don't think the shutdowns are the fault of the battery... it would just error out and beep. A whole new unit isn't much more, but if new PSUs require pure sine, well, that changes stuff. :confused:

Maybe this?

APC Frequently Asked Questions #FA158939

Computers containing PFC (Power Factor Corrected) power supplies and their use Back-UPS and Smart-UPS SC with Step Approximated Sine waves.
Issue:

Power Factor Corrected (PFC) power supplies are becoming increasingly popular in desktop PC’s in North America. Contributing to this trend is the fact that Energy Star 4.0 compliance as of July 2007, requires the use of PFC in desktop PC’s.

Please see reference to the Energy Star 4.0 compliance Tier 1 at www.energystar.gov/


Product Line:

Back-UPS CS, Back-UPS ES "U", Back-UPS ES "R", Back-UPS ES "G" (prior to 2013),
BX/BR1000 "G" (prior to 2013), BX/BR Families

Environment:

Back-UPS CS, Back-UPS ES "U", Back-UPS ES "R", Back-UPS ES "G" (prior to 2013),
BX/BR1000 "G" (prior to 2013), BX/BR Families


Cause:

What is Power Factor and Power Factor Correction?
Power factor is the percentage of electricity that is being used to do useful work. It is expressed as a ratio. For example, a power factor of 0.72 would mean only 72% of your power was being used to do useful work. Perfect power factor (which in this case is being achieved by the computer’s PFC power supply) is 1.0 (unity), meaning 100% of the power is being used for useful work. Power Factor Correction is a circuit design technique to increase the power factor of a device so that it approaches 1, or unity power factor.

Although computer power supplies draw only a fraction of their full capacity during it’s steady state(normal operation), PFC power supplies have the potential to draw their full capability during initial inrush. ""Inrush"" or ""Inrush Current"" refers to the maximum instantaneous input current drawn by an electrical device when first turned on.


Resolution:


A computer’s power supply may also be subjected to a period of inrush, while the UPS is changing state (switching from utility power to battery power and back). Back-UPS and Smart-UPS SCs may experience up to an 8ms transfer time during this period. This is just long enough to remove power from the PFC power supply, resulting in a momentary inrush of the PFC. Once the UPS changes states from ""Online"" (passing utility power) to ""Onbattery"" (passing power from the UPS's internal battery), the momentary inrush from the attached equipment subjects the UPS to the On battery power supply’s maximum power draw, resulting in a potential Overload condition or dropped load.

An Energy Star 4.0 compliant power supply has to be more than 80% efficient. For example, if a attached power supply is delivering 600W output power, its ‘input’ power can be as high as 750W. .

This ‘input’ power should be the basis for sizing the UPS, so as not to Overload the UPS. This can be calculated by taking the PFC power supply’s rated output power and multiplying it by 1.25 as follows;

600W x 1.25 = multiplying