Physical Searches without Court Approval...

RichardE

Banned
Dec 31, 2005
10,246
2
0
The Letter of the Law
The White House says spying on terror suspects without court approval is ok. What about physical searches?

By Chitra Ragavan

3/27/06

In the dark days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a small group of lawyers from the White House and the Justice Department began meeting to debate a number of novel legal strategies to help prevent another attack. Soon after, President Bush authorized the National Security Agency to begin conducting electronic eavesdropping on terrorism suspects in the United States, including American citizens, without court approval. Meeting in the FBI's state-of-the-art command center in the J. Edgar Hoover Building, the lawyers talked with senior FBI officials about using the same legal authority to conduct physical searches of homes and businesses of terrorism suspects--also without court approval, one current and one former government official tell U.S. News. "There was a fair amount of discussion at Justice on the warrantless physical search issue," says a former senior FBI official. "Discussions about--if [the searches] happened--where would the information go, and would it taint cases."

FBI Director Robert Mueller was alarmed by the proposal, the two officials said, and pushed back hard against it. "Mueller was personally very concerned," one official says, "not only because of the blowback issue but also because of the legal and constitutional questions raised by warrantless physical searches." FBI spokesman John Miller said none of the FBI's senior staff are aware of any such discussions and added that the bureau has not conducted "physical searches of any location without consent or a judicial order."

In December, the New York Times disclosed the NSA's warrantless electronic surveillance program, resulting in an angry reaction from President Bush. It has not previously been disclosed, however, that administration lawyers had cited the same legal authority to justify warrantless physical searches. But in a little-noticed white paper submitted by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to Congress on January 19 justifying the legality of the NSA eavesdropping, Justice Department lawyers made a tacit case that President Bush also has the inherent authority to order such physical searches. In order to fulfill his duties as commander in chief, the 42-page white paper says, "a consistent understanding has developed that the president has inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless searches and surveillance within the United States for foreign intelligence purposes." The memo cites congressional testimony of Jamie Gorelick, a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration, in 1994 stating that the Justice Department "believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes."

"Black-bag jobs." Justice Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse says the white paper cited the Gorelick testimony simply to bolster its legal defense of the NSA's electronic surveillance program. Roehrkasse points out that Justice Department lawyers have told Congress that the NSA program "described by the president does not involve physical searches." But John Martin, a former Justice Department attorney who prosecuted the two most important cases involving warrantless searches and surveillance, says the department is sending an unambiguous message to Congress. "They couldn't make it clearer," says Martin, "that they are also making the case for inherent presidential power to conduct warrantless physical searches."

The Letter of the Law
Page 2 of 3
Related Links

* Department of Justice White Papers (PDF)
* Letter to U.S. Attorney Karin J. Immergut (PDF)
* Response to Thomas H. Nelson (PDF)
* NSA denies Thomas H. Nelson's FOIA request (PDF)
* More from Nation & World

It could not be learned whether the Bush administration has cited the legal authority to carry out such searches. A former marine, Mueller has waged a quiet, behind-the-scenes battle since 9/11 to protect his special agents from legal jeopardy as a result of aggressive new investigative tactics backed by the White House and the Justice Department, government officials say. During Senate testimony about the NSA surveillance program, however, Gonzales was at pains to avoid answering questions about any warrantless physical surveillance activity that may have been authorized by the Justice Department. On February 6, Patrick Leahy, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, asked Gonzales whether the NSA spying program includes authority to tap E-mail or postal mail without warrants. "Can you do black-bag jobs?" Leahy asked. Gonzales replied that he was trying to outline for the committee "what the president has authorized, and that is all that he has authorized"--electronic surveillance. Three weeks later, Gonzales amended his answer to Leahy's question, stating that he was addressing only the legal underpinnings for the NSA surveillance program but adding: "I did not and could not address operational aspects of the program, or any other classified intelligence activities." In the past, when Congress has taken up explosive issues that affect the bureau, Mueller has made it a point, officials have said, to leave Washington--and sometimes the country--so as not to get pulled into the political crossfire. When Gonzales testified February 6, Mueller was on his way to Morocco.

Government officials told the magazine that Mueller and then Deputy Attorney General James Comey, who also questioned the NSA spying program, both believed that while it was a close call legally, the president did have authority to conduct electronic surveillance of terrorism suspects in the United States without court approval; both men, however, raised grave concerns about the possible use of any information obtained from any warrantless surveillance in a court of law.

At least one defense attorney representing a subject of a terrorism investigation believes he was the target of warrantless clandestine searches. On Sept. 23, 2005--nearly three months before the Times broke the NSA story--Thomas Nelson wrote to U.S. Attorney Karin Immergut in Oregon that in the previous nine months, "I and others have seen strong indications that my office and my home have been the target of clandestine searches." In an interview, Nelson said he believes that the searches resulted from the fact that FBI agents accidentally gave his client classified documents and were trying to retrieve them. Nelson's client is Soliman al-Buthe, codirector of a now defunct charity named al-Haramain, who was indicted in 2004 for illegally taking charitable donations out of the country. The feds also froze the charity's assets, alleging ties to Osama bin Laden. The documents that were given to him, Nelson says, may prove that al-Buthe was the target of the NSA surveillance program.

The searches, if they occurred, were anything but deft. Late at night on two occasions, Nelson's colleague Jonathan Norling noticed a heavyset, middle-aged, non-Hispanic white man claiming to be a member of an otherwise all-Hispanic cleaning crew, wearing an apron and a badge and toting a vacuum. But, says Norling, "it was clear the vacuum was not moving." Three months later, the same man, waving a brillo pad, spent some time trying to open Nelson's locked office door, Norling says. Nelson's wife and son, meanwhile, repeatedly called their home security company asking why their alarm system seemed to keep malfunctioning. The company could find no fault with the system.

The Letter of the Law
Page 3 of 3
Related Links

* Department of Justice White Papers (PDF)
* Letter to U.S. Attorney Karin J. Immergut (PDF)
* Response to Thomas H. Nelson (PDF)
* NSA denies Thomas H. Nelson's FOIA request (PDF)
* More from Nation & World

In October, Immergut wrote to Nelson reassuring him that the FBI would not target terrorism suspects' lawyers without warrants and, even then, only "under the most exceptional circumstances," because the government takes attorney-client relationships "extremely seriously." Nelson nevertheless filed requests, under the Freedom of Information Act, with the NSA. The agency's director of policy, Louis Giles, wrote back, saying, "The fact of the existence or nonexistence of responsive records is a currently and properly classified matter."

"Maximum speed." For the FBI, the very mention of the term "black-bag jobs" prompts a bad case of the heebie-jeebies. In 1975 and 1976, an investigative committee led by then Sen. Frank Church documented how the FBI engaged in broad surveillance of private citizens and members of antiwar and civil rights groups, as well as Martin Luther King Jr. The committee's hearings and the executive-branch abuses that were documented in the Watergate investigation led to numerous reforms, including passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978. The law created a special secret court tasked with approving electronic wiretaps in espionage and other national security investigations. After the Aldrich Ames spy case, Congress amended FISA to include approval of physical searches. After 9/11, the law was further amended to allow investigators to place wiretaps or conduct physical searches without notifying the court for 72 hours and to obtain "roving" wiretaps to allow investigators to tap multiple cellphones.

In justifying the NSA's warrantless surveillance program, Gonzales has argued that the review process required for a FISA warrant is too cumbersome for a program that is of "a military nature" and that requires "maximum speed and agility to achieve early warning."

White House lawyers, in particular, Vice President Cheney's counsel David Addington (who is now Cheney's chief of staff), pressed Mueller to use information from the NSA program in court cases, without disclosing the origin of the information, and told Mueller to be prepared to drop prosecutions if judges demanded to know the sourcing, according to several government officials. Mueller, backed by Comey, resisted the administration's efforts. "The White House was putting pressure on Mueller to broadly make cases with the intelligence," says one official. "But he did not want to use it as a basis for any affidavit in any court." Comey declined numerous requests for comment. Sources say Mueller and his general counsel, Valerie Caproni, continue to remain troubled by the domestic spying program. Martin, who has handled more intelligence-oriented criminal cases than anyone else at the Justice Department, puts the issue in stark terms: "The failure to allow it [information obtained from warrantless surveillance] to be used in court is a concession that it is an illegal surveillance."

Mueller has been criticized by some agents for being too close to the White House. His predecessor, Louis Freeh, made his break publicly from President Clinton, even returning his White House security access badge. Until recently, Mueller reported to the White House daily to brief Bush and Cheney. But Mueller has not shied away from making tough decisions. He refused to allow FBI agents to participate in CIA and Defense Department interviews of high-value prisoners because of the administration's use of aggressive interrogation techniques. In Iraq and at the Pentagon-run camp for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, it has been FBI agents who have called attention to what they viewed as abuse of detainees.

It is unclear how much resistance from the FBI the White House and the Justice Department will be willing to brook. What is clear, however, is the extraordinary extent to which officials in both places inject themselves in the bureau's operations. In late 2004, President Bush asked then FBI Deputy Director Bruce Gebhardt, filling in for Mueller during the daily White House briefings, minute details about a suspected terrorism threat in Kansas. "Don't worry, Mr. President," responded Gebhardt, straight-faced. "We have Kansas surrounded."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060327/27fbi.htm

Yep..warrantless physical searches. Its like a republican wet dream...Watergate and Vietnam all put together..only this time they are getting away with it. Soo when does the outrage start? Once they search a judges home without consent by accident?
 

RightIsWrong

Diamond Member
Apr 29, 2005
5,649
0
0
Please, please, please.....let the Dems take the House or Senate in November so that we can have some of these f*ckers sworn in to testify and see who is willing to take one for the team then.
 

Rainsford

Lifer
Apr 25, 2001
17,515
0
0
Yes, it is a wet dream, but at the moment it appears to be nothing more than that. While the jury may still be out about wiretapping type searches, especially when one party is foreign, it is nothing but crystal clear that warrantless physical searches are illegal. Even the pathetic "President's right to gather foreign intelligence" argument used to justify the NSA program doesn't apply here. Anyone involved in doing this, and anybody who authorized it, should by all rights spend a long time in federal prison. Hopefully 2006 will see some Democrats, or even some Republicans with a pair of cajones (rare species, I know), get into office and start applying the wood to the executive branch.
 

catnap1972

Platinum Member
Aug 10, 2000
2,607
0
76
[Republican apologist] Fine with me! As long as it keeps the terrists out, the feds can rob my house, kidnap my family, and install a camera up my ass for all I care cuz you don't have any civil liberties if you're DEAD! [/Republican apologist]
 

Todd33

Diamond Member
Oct 16, 2003
7,842
2
81
We are spreading democracy in Iraq, the problem is there is a finite amount. The more we dump into the Middle East the less we have here at home.

It doesn't matter who wins in 2006, the Congress is supposed to monitor and investigate this type of stuff. Rubber stamping Bush is just putting party ahead of country, how sad.
 

MadRat

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
11,922
259
126
Anyone that crosses the line is impossible to trust, therefore any information that is garnered this way has to be considered tainted by the very collectors that present it. Its respect for the nuances of the law that allows the court to take the law enforcement officers word over that of the defendant when in the court of law. You might as well blame the law enforcement for planting the evidence in these cases, because quite frankly the law enforcement in question has already shown a lack of respect and complete disregard for judicial oversight.
 

smashp

Platinum Member
Aug 30, 2003
2,443
0
0
no big surprise

they havent asked permission to screw us in the A$$ for years.
 

Harvey

Administrator<br>Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
35,052
30
86
The Bushwhacko's theme song is "Praise The Lord, And Shred The Constitution." :|
 

Darkhawk28

Diamond Member
Dec 22, 2000
6,759
0
0
Originally posted by: smashp
no big surprise

they havent asked permission to screw us in the A$$ for years.

And they could at least give us the courtesy of a quick reach-around.
 

homercles337

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
6,345
3
71
Can someone explain what is happening with the illegal wire tap investigation? If there are really that many "terra suspects" in the states we are screwed.
 

shira

Diamond Member
Jan 12, 2005
9,567
6
81
Originally posted by: homercles337
Can someone explain what is happening with the illegal wire tap investigation?
Um, what investigation? The Republican majority won't let any investigations take place.

 

MadRat

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
11,922
259
126
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: homercles337
Can someone explain what is happening with the illegal wire tap investigation?
Um, what investigation? The Republican majority won't let any investigations take place.

In the words of Homer Simpson, that bull****!!
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
7,628
183
106
Remember your RIGHTS cannot be taken away from you without your consent. So, do not consent! Freedom is a dangerous situation. Fight! Scraem! Kick and gouge! :evil: It is now a crime to say (NO)! :( Time to be criminal.:|
 

mc00

Senior member
Jan 25, 2005
277
0
0
Originally posted by: catnap1972
[Republican apologist] Fine with me! As long as it keeps the terrists out, the feds can rob my house, kidnap my family, and install a camera up my ass for all I care cuz you don't have any civil liberties if you're DEAD! [/Republican apologist]



ROFLMFAO!!

the day they want to put camera in my house that day im going to die killing on this goverment a$$hole.