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Photokina 2012

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CptObvious

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Should be an interesting week for camera nuts, with 2 definite but possibly three (or four?) new full-frame cameras announced:

Sony A99 on Wednesday: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-hot-first-sony-a99-image-leak-via-xitek/ Speculated price around $2800. Also possibly a FF NEX camera

Nikon D600 on Thursday: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/ Speculated price from $1500-1800

Rumors of Canon announcing a 6D : http://photorumors.com/2012/09/08/canon-rumored-to-announce-a-nikon-d600-competitor-at-photokina/ Also rumored that they'll discontinue the 5DII this month.
 
CptObvious said:
Should be an interesting week for camera nuts, with 2 definite but possibly three (or four?) new full-frame cameras announced:

Sony A99 on Wednesday: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-hot-first-sony-a99-image-leak-via-xitek/ Speculated price around $2800. Also possibly a FF NEX camera

Nikon D600 on Thursday: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/30/updated-specifications-for-the-nikon-d600.aspx/ Speculated price from $1500-1800

Rumors of Canon announcing a 6D : http://photorumors.com/2012/09/08/canon-rumored-to-announce-a-nikon-d600-competitor-at-photokina/ Also rumored that they'll discontinue the 5DII this month.
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Interesting. Making me having second though about the 5D mkii I just bought 2 weeks ago. This just mean that I made the right decision to go with FF body because there will be more FF bodies to chose from in the future.
 
The D600 looks very interesting minus the 39 points instead of 51 point AF and I'll probably get it if the price is around $1500.
 
$1500 would be a give away, and would take much sales from Canon and the rest of the competitor. However I do not think that will happen.

D7000 was $1200, D700 was $3000, and D800 is $3000.

IMHO, the D600 would be price at $2100 if Nikon is kind to its users and want to take the market away from new or upgrade Canon users. A more realistic price would be $2300-2500 for the D600.
 
iGas said:
$1500 would be a give away, and would take much sales from Canon and the rest of the competitor. However I do not think that will happen.

D7000 was $1200, D700 was $3000, and D800 is $3000.

IMHO, the D600 would be price at $2100 if Nikon is kind to its users and want to take the market away from new or upgrade Canon users. A more realistic price would be $2300-2500 for the D600.
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Nobody would buy it at $2100 let alone $2300-$2500. The D700 has a better build, better AF, and 1/8000 sec shutter speed. Besides video and MP it is a better camera (on paper so far).

$2100 would require full weather proofing, the D800 AF, GPS, and the 1/8000 shutter speed. $2500 isn't even feasible. Nobody would buy it. I'd move to Canon or Sony instead. You should check out the A99 and then think about those $ numbers again.
 
the D600 looks like it is basically a FF D7k, it should be under 2k, prob in the 1500-1800$ range depending on kit

it makse sense for nikon to release a more affordable FF camera, because it forces people to purchase FF lenses which cost a lot more vs the DX counterpats
 
It's not rocket science to figure out a price.

Look at the product it's replacing: D300

List price for the D300 at launch was $1799 body only.

Their price target for the D600 should be the same.

Sony is releasing some real blockbuster stuff, all stuffed with that same gorgeous 24MP FF sensor. A99, RX1, and VG900.
 
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It's not replacing the D300 since that was a pro body DX camera. It's introducing budget FF. There are a bunch of budget FF lenses to go with it so it's basically a D7000 FF camera.
 
randomrogue said:
It's not replacing the D300 since that was a pro body DX camera. It's introducing budget FF. There are a bunch of budget FF lenses to go with it so it's basically a D7000 FF camera.
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True - but Nikon has currently a big gap from the $1200 (D7000) to the $3000 (D800), and since the D300 (a DX) was at the $1800, I am inclined to agree with iGas - the D600 would be priced at around $2200. Or even $2400 if they plan to introduce another DX (D8000 ?) at the $1600 point.

randomrogue said:
Nobody would buy it at $2100 let alone $2300-$2500. The D700 has a better build, better AF, and 1/8000 sec shutter speed. Besides video and MP it is a better camera (on paper so far).

$2100 would require full weather proofing, the D800 AF, GPS, and the 1/8000 shutter speed. $2500 isn't even feasible. Nobody would buy it. I'd move to Canon or Sony instead. You should check out the A99 and then think about those $ numbers again.
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I think it's more a matter of Nikon offering an 'oh so close' choice. For those yearning for a FF, if the $3000 is too much, $2200 will be much more palatable. Yes, $1500 would be great, but IMO, a bit too-good-to-be-true. And there's that matter of not wanting to kill off their own DX line, particularly the D7000. I think they'd leave the under $2k expanse for the DX line.

The A99 seems to be around $2800, so more of competition with the D800 than the D600. I'd really like to handle a Sony to compare with a Nikon; they do look so much bulkier in pictures.
 
Probably worth sitting on this until tomorrow but I'm just not sure why they would price it that high. It's a stripped down full frame camera and they're leaking $2700?! They must be crazy.
 
randomrogue said:
Probably worth sitting on this until tomorrow but I'm just not sure why they would price it that high. It's a stripped down full frame camera and they're leaking $2700?! They must be crazy.
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you cant do a direct converson, never been able to, US is always cheaper also everone but the USA has a 20% or so VAT

itll prob be 22-2400 in the US if that number that was posted is correct
 
Yeah so it's not a good deal. Especially in VAT countries. I'm just not sure why you would buy a D7000 FF for $1000 more. Adding insult to injury the flash sync is low, the shutter speed is slow, there is no GPS, and they didn't add an AF-ON button 😛

Of course the counter argument is that the 5DII is more expensive as are of course the steps above it so your only option is DX or another brand like Sony. I'd just say that at $2100 plus tax this is not an entry level FF. Of course the specs are entry level - but the price doesn't reflect that. Bang for the buck not seen.
 
I figured the highest we would see the D600 would be $1799, so I'm surprised to see it come out at $2199.

The buzz around the net so far seems to be, "thanks, but no thanks."
 
Next year will be the time to buy the D600. It'll settle in to the $1700ish range by then, first with "instant" rebates and then the price will officially drop.
 
randomrogue said:
Yeah so it's not a good deal. Especially in VAT countries. I'm just not sure why you would buy a D7000 FF for $1000 more. Adding insult to injury the flash sync is low, the shutter speed is slow, there is no GPS, and they didn't add an AF-ON button 😛
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GPS, meh. AF-ON would have been nice. Flash sync is 1/200, as good as the 5D3.

I'm going to look through my Lightroom library and see if I can filter out photos that I took at 1/8000s shutter speed. My guess is I'll find less than 10. Anyway, if I'm shooting wide-open in bright sunlight, I'd be better off with a gray ND filter than trying to get by with 1/8000s, which is usually not fast enough anyway to prevent blown highlights.
 
there's a very simple reason it's $2100:

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that sony is an impressive little bit of kit, but it was never going to use the NEX's bayonet. not enough room to cram a 35 mm sensor in there, methinks. though $2800 is a ton of money for something you can't swap lenses with.
 
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GPS, meh. AF-ON would have been nice. Flash sync is 1/200, as good as the 5D3.

I'm going to look through my Lightroom library and see if I can filter out photos that I took at 1/8000s shutter speed. My guess is I'll find less than 10. Anyway, if I'm shooting wide-open in bright sunlight, I'd be better off with a gray ND filter than trying to get by with 1/8000s, which is usually not fast enough anyway to prevent blown highlights.
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I have to agree that 1/200 isn't bad, and only 1/3 of a stop slower than 1/250. It is not enough to break the shot for fill light work, one place may be affected is for stop motion, but that is what flash is for.

I also agree that ND filter is the way to go. I own two +4 ND, and they come in very handy when I want motion blur in full sunlight.
 
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