Photography Question
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They probably do, but definitely not the built-in ones.. and fast lenses and sensitive film/sensor?
No way in hell that is from video. Specifically though, how fast lenses and what ISO?
What do you think they are exposing at?
vshah
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no idea specifics. i'd guess that if those are from still cameras, its not anything above f2.0. ISO 400 at least. and i'd bet theres a lot of retouching and brightening that goes on. anubis probably knows more than me....he'll be along as soon as he sees the thread title
There are amazingly fast lenses out there... Every major manufacturer has a 300mm f2.8 lens that would be perfect for this.
Also, modern asa 400 films are sharper and have less grain than asa 200 films from 20 years ago.
Combine those things with excellent technique and a good tripod/monopod and you get razor sharp action photos in existing light.
Also, modern asa 400 films are sharper and have less grain than asa 200 films from 20 years ago.
Combine those things with excellent technique and a good tripod/monopod and you get razor sharp action photos in existing light.
I thought the flash was comin' from the arenas rafters? It's not noticeable to the crowd or the tv cameras, which is why we don't see 200 flashes on the sidelines of NBA games blinding the players? I'm probably wrong
Originally posted by: vshah
there you have it
Incorrect. As a professional photographer I'll explain a few things:
1. No one on a profesional level is shooting film at NBA games (save for perhaps SI, but with the quality of DSLR's as it is, even they are moving from chromes to digital).
2. Although it's slightly hard to tell from the photo, it's likely taken from floor level. You cannot use tripods or monopods from floor level at NBA games (or any basketball game for that matter)
3. The light in that photo came from rafter mounted strobes. Typically, a device called a pocketwizard (radio frequency remote control) is used to wirelessly trigger extremely high powered flashes mounted in the ceiling of the arena. The flash duration of these strobes is just barely perceptible on TV if you are watching. This gives shooters enough light to shoot at 100-200 iso with good depth of field and a high shutter speed, typically as high as the camera permits (250-500th of a second)
Anubis
No Lifer
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: vshah
there you have it
Incorrect. As a professional photographer I'll explain a few things:
1. No one on a profesional level is shooting film at NBA games (save for perhaps SI, but with the quality of DSLR's as it is, even they are moving from chromes to digital).
2. Although it's slightly hard to tell from the photo, it's likely taken from floor level. You cannot use tripods or monopods from floor level at NBA games (or any basketball game for that matter)
3. The light in that photo came from rafter mounted strobes. Typically, a device called a pocketwizard (radio frequency remote control) is used to wirelessly trigger extremely high powered flashes mounted in the ceiling of the arena. The flash duration of these strobes is just barely perceptible on TV if you are watching. This gives shooters enough light to shoot at 100-200 iso with good depth of field and a high shutter speed, typically as high as the camera permits (250-500th of a second)
Wow thanks for the info. So if I wanted to shoot high school basketball from the stands, do you think buying the 70-200mm f2.8 VR for my D70 is a waste?
That image was not made with a 70-200. Likely a 400 2.8 (or perhaps a 300 2.8). The vibration reduction is fairly useless for pro sports action like this as it only minimizes camera shake. It doesn't help freeze action.
PricklyPete
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No, not a waste. The 2.8 aperature will help more than the VR. You will find at most high school gyms with a 70-200 2.8 that to capture decent action without blurriness (without an oncamera strobe) you will need to set your camera at 1600 ISO and have a shutter speed of at least 1/200 or 1/250th. Still, the VR might help folks not experts at handholding a lens this large prevent some camera shake.
Anubis
No Lifer
Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: vshah
there you have it
Incorrect. As a professional photographer I'll explain a few things:
1. No one on a profesional level is shooting film at NBA games (save for perhaps SI, but with the quality of DSLR's as it is, even they are moving from chromes to digital).
2. Although it's slightly hard to tell from the photo, it's likely taken from floor level. You cannot use tripods or monopods from floor level at NBA games (or any basketball game for that matter)
3. The light in that photo came from rafter mounted strobes. Typically, a device called a pocketwizard (radio frequency remote control) is used to wirelessly trigger extremely high powered flashes mounted in the ceiling of the arena. The flash duration of these strobes is just barely perceptible on TV if you are watching. This gives shooters enough light to shoot at 100-200 iso with good depth of field and a high shutter speed, typically as high as the camera permits (250-500th of a second)
intersting i didnt know you couldent use momopods at NBA games, guess you wouldent be useing a 300mm f/2.8 or 400mm f/2.8 then because that woudl be nearly impossiable to hand hold
i knwo what a pocket wizard is and have heard of now they use strobes and such on the ceiling, so im huessing they are useing the 70-200 f/2.8 for canon or Nikon with the possibility of a 1.4 TC? that would make sence that lens isnt HUGE, someone i gess coudl use the nikon 200mm f/2 with a 1.7 TC, that gives you a ~420mm f/2.8 on a DSLR its a 300 f/2 with out the TC
and from what i read about last years Super Bowl, everyone that shoots for SI is shooting digital, the processed something like 25000 pics last year from it all digital
Handholding a 300 2.8, especially a newer one, isn't that hard. Get's pretty easy with practice. A 400 is a bit harder, and typically not used directly from the floor but perhaps from the first or second level of seats. You can find railings, etc. to brace it at most places.
They definitely are not using a TC. The stop (or more) of light you'd lose is too critical without arena mounted strobes, and not every shooter has access to the strobes in the ceiling. Typically, there might be three-four sets in the ceiling. One will be for sports illustrated, one is for the team photographer, one might be for associated press and the other wires, and another set might be a pool set for shared use or perhaps dedicated for the major newspaper in town. There will be many more than 3-4 shooters on the court though.
They definitely are not using a TC. The stop (or more) of light you'd lose is too critical without arena mounted strobes, and not every shooter has access to the strobes in the ceiling. Typically, there might be three-four sets in the ceiling. One will be for sports illustrated, one is for the team photographer, one might be for associated press and the other wires, and another set might be a pool set for shared use or perhaps dedicated for the major newspaper in town. There will be many more than 3-4 shooters on the court though.
Anubis
No Lifer
Originally posted by: Anubis
seeing as you are tossing around money you wanna buy me one of thoes as well
Hmm I'll think about it. Question for Anubis/Lucky, what is your lens line-up? I am thinking of adding this 70-200 in and a nice wide-angle semi-zoom or whatever.
edit: also thinking of getting an SB-800
side question: Should I just sell all my D70 equip and switch to a 20D? How much better is it?
Anubis
No Lifer
Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
Originally posted by: Anubis
seeing as you are tossing around money you wanna buy me one of thoes as well
Hmm I'll think about it. Question for Anubis/Lucky, what is your lens line-up? I am thinking of adding this 70-200 in and a nice wide-angle semi-zoom or whatever.
edit: also thinking of getting an SB-800
boboon the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 AFS VR is hands down the best zoom nikon has ever made, fast sharp at all lengths, great DOF and Boketh, i wish i could afford one, everyone I know sho has the money has 1
if you dont wanna deal with Prme lenses pick up a 12-24 f/4 ED IF AFS DX and a 24-70 f/2.8 ED-IF AFS as well as the 70-200 and you have all of 12-200 covered
anyway I currently have
35mm f/2
50mm f/1.8
18-70 f/ 3.5-4.5
24-70 f/2.8
105mm f/2.8 Macro
70-300 f/4.5-5.6 ED
i really want a the 12-24 or the 10.5mm DX, a 17-35 f/2.8 AFS or 85mm f/1.8 woudl be great also
the SB-800 is god damn amazing also
the 20D is not enough better to make me switch, it has better high ISO preformance, something that is pointless to me, the 2 extra MP do almost nothing, Canons Flash metering system is lacking always has been, IMO they have horrid ergonomics, and big white lenses are ugly as sh!t. it would cost me a small fortune to switch for little of no benefit, and it woudl only be tops untill Nikon released Somenthinhe again, you could go flip flopping for ever
id also have to get rid of my F100 and i dont wanna do that
What do you use your 50mm f/1.8 for? If it is pretty good I might as well get one as it is not that much $$$.
Anubis
No Lifer
low light, or when i want a tack sharp pic at f/2 for min DOF i use it more on teh F100 - film camera then the D70. you can get one for like 100$ its a steal, amnazingly sharp and fast,
the 35mm equates to !50mm on the D70 and i use it more there, same reasons as the 50mm tho, you can get one for
primes are almost always faster, sharper and lighter then zooms that go through the same range
most times cost considerably less also
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