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dowxp

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xt also supports ETTL-II ; even outside, you can shoot a fill flash in certain situations.
 

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: DBL
get at least 24mm for the wide end and preferably 17mm. 28mm is not wide enough on a 1.6x DSLR.

Again I'm a total noob here. Wide end, does that equate to a widescreen picture or something?

Not really. It's a way of expressing how the lens captures and displays an image. It's the effective AOV (angle of view) for a particular lens. A wide angle may have an 80 degree AOV while a telephoto may have a 5 degree AOV.

Affordable DSLRs have a smaller sensor than 35mm cameras, so the light projected onto the sensor is actual a crop of a 35mm frame. A 28mm lens on a 1.6x crop camera like the rebel will act like a 28x1.6 = 45 mm lens. Generally, you want at least a 35mm on the wide end.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I would get a nice padded strap though. The one the camera comes with is not very comfortable after about an hour with the camera hanging around your neck.

Any particular strap you'd recommend? I'm poking around B&H and Amazon right now.
 

Kaido

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torpid

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If she will be doing a lot of indoor photography the $70 50mm 1.8 lens is a must have. It has no zoom level so it means moving around to set up your shot but the speed for that price is really a must. I hate taking photos with flash so I have that lens on my camera all the time now. Someone above recommended the 1.4 50mm but that is insanely expensive and won't fit the budget.

Edit: that would be in addition to the tamron or whatever zoom you get.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I would get a nice padded strap though. The one the camera comes with is not very comfortable after about an hour with the camera hanging around your neck.

Any particular strap you'd recommend? I'm poking around B&H and Amazon right now.

I picked up a Tamrac padded strap at my local camera store. It is worlds more comfortable than the Canon one my cameras came with.
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Kaido
Also, is there a good lens tutorial? I have no idea what the XXmm and fX.X stuff means :Q

XXmm is the zoom, and the f/X.X is the aperture (how much light is let in)

For example, a 50-200mm f/2.8-3.5 lens can zoom from 50 to 200mm, and it's aperture at the wide end is f/2.8 and at the long end it's f/3.5.

Zoom as in how far away it can zoom in on stuff?

Yeah, but the mm measurement doesn't give you an exact translation of magnification power. That measurement is the distance between the point where the light leaves the lens and the plane of the image sensor (I think, it's been a while since I sat a photography class). The farther away that point is from the image sensor, the wider the projection onto the image sensor, hence the magnification... I think :). If you had a 50-200mm lens, and you zoomed in as close as possible... I'd say that's approximately an 8x optical magnification. Something like a 75-300mm lens, would give a maximum of approximately 12x optical magnification.

A good pair of lenses to have would be something like a 28-90mm and a 75-300mm.

The best thing would be to browse over some DSLR camera tutorials.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: torpid
If she will be doing a lot of indoor photography the $70 50mm 1.8 lens is a must have. It has no zoom level so it means moving around to set up your shot but the speed for that price is really a must. I hate taking photos with flash so I have that lens on my camera all the time now. Someone above recommended the 1.4 50mm but that is insanely expensive and won't fit the budget.

Edit: that would be in addition to the tamron or whatever zoom you get.

I think I paid about $300 for the 50 f/1.4. It was worth it IMO. Bokeh is really nice with this lens and it is super fast (although not as sharp until you stop it down to f/2.8).
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: dowxp
I would suggest the 28-135 IS ; http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Revi...35mm-f-3.5-5.6-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

Also the rebel doesn't take advantage of WA cards, so extreme II or even regular CF cards write at the same speeds (there was a review over this)

a nice tripod (bogen, gitzo) + ball head release grip? depends what she wants to do. maybe a lowepro case ... A second battery is recommended.

I read this Amazon review about the card:

This is the fastest card yet as of March 28, 2005. Using the data collected at: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/index.asp in the CF Database. I was able to make a more informed decision. I had my heart set on the Hitachi Microdrive 3GB when initially purchasing my Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT 350D. However, after reviewing the results of the write speed tests, I immediately switched to the San Disc Extreme III. For my camera write speed using this CF is 4.888MB/sec JPEG and 6.263MB/sec RAW compared to the Hitachi Microdrive 6GB 3.466MB/sec JPEG and 4.584MB/sec RAW. Its highly recommended that you check out Rob Galbraith site to help sift through the confusion of which CF Card performs best with your camera.

Here's a link to the Rebel section of the site:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-7699

Looks like a decent difference based on those figures. Plus it's not that much more than other 2gb cards...$102 on Amazon.
 

alphatarget1

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1000 bucks... let's see

18-50 sigma lens (300-400 bucks)
rebel XT body (down to 500 now??)
Canon backpack (30 bucks)
Skip the extra battery, you won't need it. A battery grip would be nice though ($200)

I have the canon 17-85mm IS USM, pretty useful focal range but can't say that i'm completely satisfied with it.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: Kaido
Also, is there a good lens tutorial? I have no idea what the XXmm and fX.X stuff means :Q

XXmm is the zoom, and the f/X.X is the aperture (how much light is let in)

For example, a 50-200mm f/2.8-3.5 lens can zoom from 50 to 200mm, and it's aperture at the wide end is f/2.8 and at the long end it's f/3.5.

Zoom as in how far away it can zoom in on stuff?

Yeah, but the mm measurement doesn't give you an exact translation of magnification power. That measurement is the distance between the point where the light leaves the lens and the plane of the image sensor (I think, it's been a while since I sat a photography class). The farther away that point is from the image sensor, the wider the projection onto the image sensor, hence the magnification... I think :). If you had a 50-200mm lens, and you zoomed in as close as possible... I'd say that's approximately an 8x optical magnification. Something like a 75-300mm lens, would give a maximum of approximately 12x optical magnification.

A good pair of lenses to have would be something like a 28-90mm and a 75-300mm.

The best thing would be to browse over some DSLR camera tutorials.

Yeah, I have a 17-40mm f/4 lens and a 70-200mm f/4 lens. I also have a 50mm lens. I really needed the 17-40 because my wife is a realtor and she needs to take pictures of her listings that show entire rooms. A "normal" 28-70 zoom would not allow her to get far enough away to get decent pictures though.

The 17-40 is more like a 28-70 on my dslr because of the crop factor but if you want to see wide angle put that puppy on a film camera!!! :p
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
1000 bucks... let's see

18-50 sigma lens (300-400 bucks)
rebel XT body (down to 500 now??)
Canon backpack (30 bucks)
Skip the extra battery, you won't need it. A battery grip would be nice though ($200)

I have the canon 17-85mm IS USM, pretty useful focal range but can't say that i'm completely satisfied with it.

The Tamron is 28-75mm and the Canon is 50mm...is it worth getting both for a beginner dSLR setup?
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: dowxp
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: NutBucket
a real flash

Agreed. And it will help with fast shooting just make sure you get some rechargeable batteries for it. The on camera flash is useless if you stick a big honking lens on the camera.

I would add that the 50mm f/1.4 lens is a great portrait lens.

Unless she's shooting for hours at a time she won't need an extra battery or the battery grip. I've carried my 300D all day on one battery many times and for hundreds of shots. Just don't use the LCD to view the pictures a lot and it will last a long long time. The battery grip is nice if you have large hands but otherwise it's just extra weight.

I would get a nice padded strap though. The one the camera comes with is not very comfortable after about an hour with the camera hanging around your neck.

Excellent, thanks! What flash stuff would you recommend? I'm used to my little Canon A75, which doesn't really take any fun accessories aside from small lens improvements ;)

420EX ?

That's what I have but I bought that flash for my Elan 7E which supports the E-TTL. I don't think the Rebel XT has this feature though. Still, it is better than the on camera flash. I can fire off 3 shots with the flash in about 2 seconds on my 300D with rechargeable batteries in the flash and it recovers much quicker than the on camera flash too.

It's kind of a moot point though if all her shooting will be outside in broad daylight. What kind of shooting will she be doing with the camera?

General - everything. I asked her and she said yes to the flash. Is the 420EX the best option? It seems like it's being discontinued or something since it's a tad hard to find.
 

montanafan

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Kaido, it would help a great deal to know what sort of photos or what sort of conditions she plans to shoot most often in order to know what sort of lens(es) would be best and whether or not a flash, etc. would be necessary right away.

Is she going to be shooting indoors or outdoors most often? Sports, portraits, or landscapes, etc.?
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Kaido
Is this the 50mm lens everyone is talking about?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control...ku=12142&is=USA&addedTroughType=search

That's the one.

For $289 I think this lens is a better value (when you consider quality/price).

My .02

What does 1.4 vs. 1.8 do?

The f/1.4 lens will let in slightly more light, so the f/1.4 will be a little faster. They are comparable in image quality when stopped down though. The f/1.4 has better build quality, quieter and faster autofocus.
 

montanafan

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The f/1.4 is a better lens, but with the budget limitations and interest in a flash, the f/1.8 would be a much better buy.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: montanafan
Kaido, it would help a great deal to know what sort of photos or what sort of conditions she plans to shoot most often in order to know what sort of lens(es) would be best and whether or not a flash, etc. would be necessary right away.

Is she going to be shooting indoors or outdoors most often? Sports, portraits, or landscapes, etc.?

Indoors & outdoors. Indoors mostly of people, outdoors of scenery, objects, pet dog, kids, etc. Probably no sports. She's pregnant and wants a good camera for photos of her kid when he/she comes. That type of thing :)
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
1000 bucks... let's see

18-50 sigma lens (300-400 bucks)
rebel XT body (down to 500 now??)
Canon backpack (30 bucks)
Skip the extra battery, you won't need it. A battery grip would be nice though ($200)

I have the canon 17-85mm IS USM, pretty useful focal range but can't say that i'm completely satisfied with it.

The Tamron is 28-75mm and the Canon is 50mm...is it worth getting both for a beginner dSLR setup?

Yes. I have the kit lens which I never use, the cheapo 75-300 for extra zoom, and the 50 1.8. For someone who is new to DSLR those two will be more than adequate.

If she wants to later upgrade to better lenses, at that point she can consider the more expensive ones. Even these 3 cheap ones I mentioned will be many many times better than a non SLR camera in quality and features.

Basically a small/medium zoom (tamron), portrait lens (50 mm 1.8), and if budget permits a zoom lens (75-300mm) are the ultimate beginner lenses.