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Everything you say is pro-terrorist. Now you deny that Zarqawi even exists. I suspose the beheadings were justified and are not terroism. You are warped.

No, I am not denying it, I am stating that I have not seen any proof that he does exist, which is irrelevant to this thread.

Everything you say is pro-US terrorism in Iraq, and you have no concern or care for human life. Something wrong IS wrong, and no matter how you try to defend it, this invasion was and IS wrong.
 
How can you say I have no concern for human life? I have great concern. That s why I am in favor of eliminating terrorists. Both so we do not get attacked here, and so that innocent Iraqi's are not hurt by the terrorists holed up in Falluja and may some day live without fear of violence as they did under Sadam. I wish the innocent Iraqi people well. They deserve better than what they had under Sadam and have now while the terrorists attack them and our troops. If the terrorists had just stopped we wouldn't have to kill them. There could have been a democracy already in place. But those few do not want democracy, because with it they lose power.


Originally posted by: Sultan
Everything you say is pro-terrorist. Now you deny that Zarqawi even exists. I suspose the beheadings were justified and are not terroism. You are warped.

No, I am not denying it, I am stating that I have not seen any proof that he does exist, which is irrelevant to this thread.

Everything you say is pro-US terrorism in Iraq, and you have no concern or care for human life. Something wrong IS wrong, and no matter how you try to defend it, this invasion was and IS wrong.

 
Originally posted by: Tarpon6
How can you say I have no concern for human life? I have great concern. That s why I am in favor of eliminating terrorists. Both so we do not get attacked here, and so that innocent Iraqi's are not hurt by the terrorists holed up in Falluja and may some day live without fear of violence as they did under Sadam. I wish the innocent Iraqi people well. They deserve better than what they had under Sadam and have now while the terrorists attack them and our troops. If the terrorists had just stopped we wouldn't have to kill them. There could have been a democracy already in place. But those few do not want democracy, because with it they lose power.

Ridiculous. If these people can fight AGAINST democracy with the US Forces, they could have fought for Freedom against Saddam. Your hypothesis is ridiculous.

If things are so good and there are only FEW terrorists as you keep claiming, why do we have 150000 troops, with 1000 dead? Thats a remarkable achievement for a few terrorists by any measure.

Anyways, you keep arguing that those fighting against US Forces are terrorists. I think they're the one's fighting for FREEDOM from oppression from an OCCUPATION force.
 
I think the terrorists are scared and do not want to lose power. That is why they fight.

Very few in the US will join in your support for the terrorists thankfully. I do have fun listening to the radical opinions though. Thanks for that.

Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Tarpon6
How can you say I have no concern for human life? I have great concern. That s why I am in favor of eliminating terrorists. Both so we do not get attacked here, and so that innocent Iraqi's are not hurt by the terrorists holed up in Falluja and may some day live without fear of violence as they did under Sadam. I wish the innocent Iraqi people well. They deserve better than what they had under Sadam and have now while the terrorists attack them and our troops. If the terrorists had just stopped we wouldn't have to kill them. There could have been a democracy already in place. But those few do not want democracy, because with it they lose power.

Ridiculous. If these people can fight AGAINST democracy with the US Forces, they could have fought for Freedom against Saddam. Your hypothesis is ridiculous.

If things are so good and there are only FEW terrorists as you keep claiming, why do we have 150000 troops, with 1000 dead? Thats a remarkable achievement for a few terrorists by any measure.

Anyways, you keep arguing that those fighting against US Forces are terrorists. I think they're the one's fighting for FREEDOM from oppression from an OCCUPATION force.

 
Originally posted by: Tarpon6
I think the terrorists are scared and do not want to lose power. That is why they fight.

Very few in the US will join in your support for the terrorists thankfully. I do have fun listening to the radical opinions though. Thanks for that.

I think you are quite dense to understand that Iraqis are fighting for their homeland and obviously dont want to be under occupation by a foreign force. Thats why it is obvious they do not want to lose power to a foreign force. That is why they fight.

I dont care who joins me or not. Our forces are wrong there. You cannot in good faith justify any of their acts. Period.

And you're welcome.
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Tarpon6
I think the terrorists are scared and do not want to lose power. That is why they fight.

Very few in the US will join in your support for the terrorists thankfully. I do have fun listening to the radical opinions though. Thanks for that.

I think you are quite dense to understand that Iraqis are fighting for their homeland and obviously dont want to be under occupation by a foreign force. Thats why it is obvious they do not want to lose power to a foreign force. That is why they fight.

I dont care who joins me or not. Our forces are wrong there. You cannot in good faith justify any of their acts. Period.

And you're welcome.

America has never been attacked on their homesoil by an organized military. Most Americans or for that matter, most people here have no idea what it's like when your homeland is attacked by foreign forces, when you sift through the rubble of your house in search for family members.
 
Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Tarpon6
I think the terrorists are scared and do not want to lose power. That is why they fight.

Very few in the US will join in your support for the terrorists thankfully. I do have fun listening to the radical opinions though. Thanks for that.

I think you are quite dense to understand that Iraqis are fighting for their homeland and obviously dont want to be under occupation by a foreign force. Thats why it is obvious they do not want to lose power to a foreign force. That is why they fight.

I dont care who joins me or not. Our forces are wrong there. You cannot in good faith justify any of their acts. Period.

And you're welcome.

America has never been attacked on their homesoil by an organized military. Most Americans or for that matter, most people here have no idea what it's like when your homeland is attacked by foreign forces, when you sift through the rubble of your house in search for family members.

So do I count you amongst those Americans that according to Tarpon6 join me in support for the "terrorists"? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
They wouldn't be attacking if "our" troops had not invaded their country in the first place.
I'm confused as to why they're attacking Iraqi civilians...

They target mostly the Iraqi security forces who in their eyes are collaborating with the invaders.
Yes, but what about when they target innocent civilians?

[Edit] For example, the car bombing of this hospital
Great Barracuda?
 
Congrats sultan you found somebody. lol I'm sure there's a few more here.

Most Iraqi's are not "fighting for their homeland". I think you are quite dense not to see that terrorists are fighting for their homeland because they will lose power if democracy previals. MOST Iraqi's are not fighting.

Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: GreatBarracuda
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Tarpon6
I think the terrorists are scared and do not want to lose power. That is why they fight.

Very few in the US will join in your support for the terrorists thankfully. I do have fun listening to the radical opinions though. Thanks for that.

I think you are quite dense to understand that Iraqis are fighting for their homeland and obviously dont want to be under occupation by a foreign force. Thats why it is obvious they do not want to lose power to a foreign force. That is why they fight.

I dont care who joins me or not. Our forces are wrong there. You cannot in good faith justify any of their acts. Period.

And you're welcome.

America has never been attacked on their homesoil by an organized military. Most Americans or for that matter, most people here have no idea what it's like when your homeland is attacked by foreign forces, when you sift through the rubble of your house in search for family members.

So do I count you amongst those Americans that according to Tarpon6 join me in support for the "terrorists"? 🙂

 
Congrats sultan you found somebody. lol I'm sure there's a few more here.

Most Iraqi's are not "fighting for their homeland". I think you are quite dense not to see that terrorists are fighting for their homeland because they will lose power if democracy previals. MOST Iraqi's are not fighting.

OK, let me report the facts to you:

Baghdad hit by car bomb blasts - Nov 9th
Iraq rebels attack Baquba police - Nov 8th
Rebel attacks in Samarra kill 33 - Nov 6th
'Watching tragedy engulf my city' - Nov 9th

Here's a map of Iraq: Map

From Najaf to Karbala to Ramadi to Samarra to Falluja to Baghdad... there have been widespread attacks against Coalition forces and the Iraqi Security forces who are siding with the Coalition forces.

The above has happened in the past 4 days. Also, let me point out to you that so far 1145 US Soldiers have died and 8201 have been wounded.

I think thats quite incredible if only a FEW insurgents are fighting against the US OCCUPATION Forces.
 
There are way more Iraqi's not fighting anything. There are relatively few when compared to the millions of peaceful Iraqi's. I would find a credible estimate of iraqi's fighting vs. peaceful but I have to go to work. I bet it's less than 5%.

Originally posted by: Sultan
Congrats sultan you found somebody. lol I'm sure there's a few more here.

Most Iraqi's are not "fighting for their homeland". I think you are quite dense not to see that terrorists are fighting for their homeland because they will lose power if democracy previals. MOST Iraqi's are not fighting.

OK, let me report the facts to you:

Baghdad hit by car bomb blasts - Nov 9th
Iraq rebels attack Baquba police - Nov 8th
Rebel attacks in Samarra kill 33 - Nov 6th
'Watching tragedy engulf my city' - Nov 9th

Here's a map of Iraq: Map

From Najaf to Karbala to Ramadi to Samarra to Falluja to Baghdad... there have been widespread attacks against Coalition forces and the Iraqi Security forces who are siding with the Coalition forces.

The above has happened in the past 4 days. Also, let me point out to you that so far 1145 US Soldiers have died and 8201 have been wounded.

I think thats quite incredible if only a FEW insurgents are fighting against the US OCCUPATION Forces.

 
There are way more Iraqi's not fighting anything. There are relatively few when compared to the millions of peaceful Iraqi's. I would find a credible estimate of iraqi's fighting vs. peaceful but I have to go to work. I bet it's less than 5%.

HAHAHAH!!!!

ok, based on your premise, America is not fighting the war in Iraq. Only 150000 soldiers are. Thats what, 0.06% of our population of 250 million? HAHAHAHAH! Count me amongst the millions of peaceful Americans who doesnt want Iraqis or American soldiers dead.
 
Sigh, if we were being invaded that would be a valid argument. If the majority of Iraqi's were really against the US in their country a large majority would be fighting against us.

Originally posted by: Sultan
There are way more Iraqi's not fighting anything. There are relatively few when compared to the millions of peaceful Iraqi's. I would find a credible estimate of iraqi's fighting vs. peaceful but I have to go to work. I bet it's less than 5%.

HAHAHAH!!!!

ok, based on your premise, America is not fighting the war in Iraq. Only 150000 soldiers are. Thats what, 0.06% of our population of 250 million? HAHAHAHAH! Count me amongst the millions of peaceful Americans who doesnt want Iraqis or American soldiers dead.

 
Sigh, if we were being invaded that would be a valid argument. If the majority of Iraqi's were really against the US in their country a large majority would be fighting against us.

What crap! Did you see every single Vietnamese pick up a gun when we invaded that country? Every single French pick up a gun when Germany ran over it? Every Kuwaiti pick up a gun when Iraq invaded that country? What world are you living in dude?
 
Originally posted by: Sultan
From Najaf to Karbala to Ramadi to Samarra to Falluja to Baghdad... there have been widespread attacks against Coalition forces and the Iraqi Security forces who are siding with the Coalition forces.
As well as against Iraqi civilians.

 
What never ceases to amaze me is that people continuously complain about killing terrorists. But yet, they offer no other solution. I look at it like this... the only way to eliminate terrorism is to give these suicide bombers and other terrorists something to live for. What are we trying to give them? Freedom. We can not sit on our thumb and expect terrorism to go away, we've already done that. We can not shower them and their families with roses, they hate us.

I believe we are doing the right thing.
 
I didn't say EVERY SINGLE. I said more than the number that are. Sigh..

Originally posted by: Sultan
Sigh, if we were being invaded that would be a valid argument. If the majority of Iraqi's were really against the US in their country a large majority would be fighting against us.

What crap! Did you see every single Vietnamese pick up a gun when we invaded that country? Every single French pick up a gun when Germany ran over it? Every Kuwaiti pick up a gun when Iraq invaded that country? What world are you living in dude?

 
Originally posted by: Alistar7

BTW I got dicked on the birth thing, I signed up for "Prince William, Future King of England" but somehow the paperwork got jacked up, damn liberals running heaven back then......

lol...that was me...I held up the paperwork...sorry.

I was having a really sh*tty day that day and your request was the first thing I saw on my desk.

St. Peter
 
I didn't say EVERY SINGLE. I said more than the number that are. Sigh..

dude, you're really off. are you counting those fighting and those not fighting against the US occupation forces? and what comparison are you basing your opinion that when other countries were invaded, the MAJORITY were fighting against the invasion forces? You're living in a fantasy world 🙂

Even the Kuwaitis didnt come close to killing 1000 Iraqi soldiers, and the US forces are FAR, FAR superior than Iraqi forces in '92.
 
America has never been attacked on their homesoil by an organized military. Most Americans or for that matter, most people here have no idea what it's like when your homeland is attacked by foreign forces, when you sift through the rubble of your house in search for family members.

Wow, just wow. You should definately re-take American history.

Bill

p.s. Hint, the British, the Mexicans, the Japaneese....
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
America has never been attacked on their homesoil by an organized military. Most Americans or for that matter, most people here have no idea what it's like when your homeland is attacked by foreign forces, when you sift through the rubble of your house in search for family members.

Wow, just wow. You should definately re-take American history.

Bill

p.s. Hint, the British, the Mexicans, the Japaneese....

I'd like to ask you a question... would you strap bombs on yourself and drive a car into the Brit, Mexican or Japanese soldiers for your homeland?
 
What never ceases to amaze me is that people continuously complain about killing terrorists. But yet, they offer no other solution. I look at it like this... the only way to eliminate terrorism is to give these suicide bombers and other terrorists something to live for. What are we trying to give them? Freedom. We can not sit on our thumb and expect terrorism to go away, we've already done that. We can not shower them and their families with roses, they hate us.

More than 50% of the world do NOT want American Flavor Freedom.

Besides, the truth is, Japan never invaded mainland US (nor Hawaii for that matter). They simply bombed an unsuspecting *military* facility. The mexican fighting was mainly for land that belonged to no one or have not belonged to no one until recently. The British were fighting "tarrorists".

Truth is, no one in America today, has endured more than 1 day of an attack, and a couple of weeks of searching thru the rubbles of one building. Imagine that being your daily life and maybe then it can be compared. Not that it hurt any less.
 
Besides, the truth is, Japan never invaded mainland US (nor Hawaii for that matter). They simply bombed an unsuspecting *military* facility. The mexican fighting was mainly for land that belonged to no one or have not belonged to no one until recently. The British were fighting "tarrorists".

In 1812?

Bill
 
I'd like to ask you a question... would you strap bombs on yourself and drive a car into the Brit, Mexican or Japanese soldiers for your homeland?

My response wasn't directed at you, and sorry, I won't feed the trolls

 
Originally posted by: SultanSo do I count you amongst those Americans that according to Tarpon6 join me in support for the "terrorists"?

No you can't count me in 🙂. I firmly believe that Iraqis are fighting to get rid of the foreigners in their country.

In response to b0mbrman's link about the hospital bombing, I don't believe that it could be the work of a Muslim. Taking the life of an innocent Muslim or any human being is just something that is absolutely forbidden in Islam. Having said that, I think it is important to note that there are many different foreign groups operating in Iraq with their own agendas. I don't think the "insurgents" fighting the U.S. soldiers are the same ones that target these civillians. I think there are groups in the mess that is Iraq, that are taking this opportunity to portray Islam as a barbaric, bloodthirsty religion through the killing of civillians and the execution videos. Let me make it clear that I believe that the Nick Berg execution video was fake in its entirety. If anyone wants me to clarify on this, PM me.

 
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