heh...i LOVED my panasonic scsi 4x8x, it was cheaper than dirt (when i bought it, it was around $190...this was dirty cheap compared to other scsi 4x's at the time, which were around $350). It did die though after about 1200 burns or so, so I bought another one (same model) for about $140, same thing happened after 1000 or so, and now I have a scsi sony 10x4x32x (which I hardly use, only burned about 40 or so in the last 4 months). hmmm...i forgot why i was rambling on about this...