'Phenom II X6' Confirmed

[Piano Man]

45nm still though. Won't that get hot unless run at low clock speeds?

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
If the Istanbul X6 is $500 on newegg and server chips are about twice as expensive as desktop chips, this new chip should come out at maybe the $250-300 range currently taken by 965.

Seems reasonable. I don't expect AMD to release any $500 desktop chips since they know nobody would buy it.

Double the price for Opterons compared to Phenom IIs is a little off. This is definitely true of the Opterons made for multi-socket boards, but not neccessarily so for single-socket Opterons. If you look at Newegg's price, it is more like 20-50% more for comparable processors. (The opterons usually equate to lower-power binned Phenom quads).

If the Phenom X6 came out today, I don't see AMD changing their pricing significantly. They would probably price it at $399-499 and be done with it. The game changes a little bit if Intel already had a 6-core CPU out. They would probably price it more like $300-350 to stay competitive. Don't underestimate the niche market; there are people who are willing to pay for a 6-core over a 4-core, and that comes with a premium.

 

[ShawnD1]

Originally posted by: ExarKun333
Double the price for Opterons compared to Phenom IIs is a little off.

2.7ghz Shanghai X4 - $580
3.0ghz Phenom II X4 - $170
3.0ghz is the slowest Phenom with 6mb cache and its 2.7ghz server counterpart is more than 3x as expensive.

edit: according to wikipedia, Opterons starting with a 1 are single socket, 2 is dual socket, and 8 is quad or octo socket. The Phenom II opterons (Shanghai) do not come in single socket variants on newegg. Maybe somewhere else they do, but I dont want to track this stuff down.

 

[alyarb]

2.4ghz istanbul ~500, 2.6 ghz 999. can you imagine $500 for 200 mhz.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Piano Man
45nm still though. Won't that get hot unless run at low clock speeds?

There is some concerns regarding TDP per socket. But if Lisbon is the miracle layout and stepping that folks are thinking it might be (based on the XS leaks of 2S magny-cours OC'ing) then 3GHz 12 cores are entirely feasible, which makes me think cutting it down to half that (6 cores, the topic here) should free up more than enough thermal budget to get these things over 4GHz on the same TDP.

 

[alyarb]

i'm not sure i see a 45nm six core doing 4 ghz, even if it is feasible (45nm SOI quads are, after all, doing 4 ghz with 1.5v right now). they will not goad intel into a single-threaded frequency contest again.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: faxon

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: ilkhan

Originally posted by: drizek
These aren't going to be on sale for at least another 6 months. Is it normal to start binning them this early?

IMO they aren't a priority item. Margins are going to be slim to none, prices high, sales non-existent. No reason to push the things out the door until gulftown ships and AMD needs a "me too!" item.

Also, just like AMD's partners did with their 48xx cards, save the best binned cards for last. AKA the 4890.

lol the 4890 was actually a different GPU. they added a bunch of transistors to get it to scale up to that clockspeed and performance level, even though it was the same architecture as the 4870 @ the shader level.

Then I failed. I was under the impression they were high performing 4870s.

It was mainly capacitors not transistors. Bypass capacitors to smooth out the signals. Just fyi.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: alyarb
2.4ghz istanbul ~500, 2.6 ghz 999. can you imagine $500 for 200 mhz.

lol, I remember when Pentium Pro was the big server / high end workstation chip. IIRC, there was once like a $600 difference between the PPro 166 and PPro 200, so .. $600 for 33mhz! %-wise, it was a decent performance boost I guess.