Phenom II 940 3GHz reviewed

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
A lot of people were excited with C2D pre-launch hype, we heard rumors, we heard how good it was so it's normal for users to be equally excited now.

I'm happy because it looks like i'll be able to spend around $300 and gain maybe 30-40% in performance, that's not bad at all.

OK . I see what your saying . It is nice that AMD caught up to merom . In performance. But that 30-40% improvement has been around for 2 years. With Merom Since your including O/Cs. More like 60-70% But It took an AMD label to get ya excited . Also The cost thing. Were comparing a $300 cpu to a $300 dollar cpu. I like right now that people are saying IC7 sucks at gaming. I say just the other way around. IC7 is great for gaming. Short term your view might prevail. Long term I win.

I keep hereing the $$$ poping up. Inorder to compete with IC7 AMD needs DDR3 . When ya buy a new DDR3 M/B and a cpu to match and the memory . LETS DO i Price Compare on AMD setup that gets a little closer to IC7 performance.

When Ananda does his review. I trust they will try to please everyone with the presentation. Providing this thing hasn't been hyped. If its hyped who knows.

This cost thing is starting to smell like fanbois. Cry about a $300 cpu. How many jumped on the $600+ NV 280 . Thats got a life of less than 1 year as to what it takes to run the games the best. Everytime I see people cry about CPU /Memory pricies. I just look in amazement. AS these same people shell out the $$$ for a new gpu every year. LOL. Are most of you guys Gamers First.

If I was a gamer first. I would go Xbox. The cost that so many talk about as being primary. Stops at the XBOX than we here a new story. PC better games ect. ect. ect. ALL bs . I do hope that PHII beats or = penryn . Because Intels price adjustments will be hard pill for AMD to swollow. Thats what you guys want right. Better intel pricies. You want AMD to force Intel to put them out of business.

This isn't the same as the Merom launch not even close. P4P was what intel had As backup. Nehalem has Penryn to back it up. Way differant deal this time. If PHII is = to or > than the hype. I would say thats great for the fanbois. But not AMD. This will allow Intel by law to lower margins to = AMDs present margins. Intel by law cannot do that at this time. But Intel can undercut an = or> Performance product from someelse. This is really A tough call to make. It would be a mistake for AMD to match Penryn Performance per clock. Because that allows Intel to free up penryn pricing which already is higher margin than Merom . So intel gets wiggle room. That may not be good for AMD . Ya see what I am saying. I am sorry guys I got A lot riding on this . I want AMD to come up short of Penryn performance . So Intel has less wiggle room. IF PHII is = to or greater than nehalem than and only than is it a new game. Thats not going to happen. SO heres how it is . IF PHii is > than Penryn performance per clock. = BAD for AMD.

Just so you guys know . Iam pissed. I am sorry I bought AMD stock now with recent news. Fact is it hurts to think about. The New York Fab thing has me sick to the stomach. With the arabs grabbing more control at a lower price of AMD. You might say so what.I say screw that. Than the fact that New YORK state is tring to create all kinds of New taxes as its Broke. The lie than been relieing on revenue for the last 20 years has been exposed. Now they want the New York tax payers to pay for an ARAB FAB, NOT AMD. I say BS to that. I think I will just cash out and take the loses. This deal smells and its a bad deal for AMD and Americans and Germans Alike. Although I perfer AMD FABS in USA. NOT tax payer ARAB Fabs in USA NO way. Give the Money TO intel that would be more American . Anybody not the ARABS ever!

 

[Gikaseixas]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
A lot of people were excited with C2D pre-launch hype, we heard rumors, we heard how good it was so it's normal for users to be equally excited now.

I'm happy because it looks like i'll be able to spend around $300 and gain maybe 30-40% in performance, that's not bad at all.

OK . I see what your saying . It is nice that AMD caught up to merom . In performance. But that 30-40% improvement has been around for 2 years. With Merom Since your including O/Cs. More like 60-70% But It took an AMD label to get ya excited . Also The cost thing. Were comparing a $300 cpu to a $300 dollar cpu. I like right now that people are saying IC7 sucks at gaming. I say just the other way around. IC7 is great for gaming. Short term your view might prevail. Long term I win.

I keep hereing the $$$ poping up. Inorder to compete with IC7 AMD needs DDR3 . When ya buy a new DDR3 M/B and a cpu to match and the memory . LETS DO i Price Compare on AMD setup that gets a little closer to IC7 performance.

When Ananda does his review. I trust they will try to please everyone with the presentation. Providing this thing hasn't been hyped. If its hyped who knows.

This cost thing is starting to smell like fanbois. Cry about a $300 cpu. How many jumped on the $600+ NV 280 . Thats got a life of less than 1 year as to what it takes to run the games the best. Everytime I see people cry about CPU /Memory pricies. I just look in amazement. AS these same people shell out the $$$ for a new gpu every year. LOL. Are most of you guys Gamers First.

If I was a gamer first. I would go Xbox. The cost that so many talk about as being primary. Stops at the XBOX than we here a new story. PC better games ect. ect. ect. ALL bs . I do hope that PHII beats or = penryn . Because Intels price adjustments will be hard pill for AMD to swollow. Thats what you guys want right. Better intel pricies. You want AMD to force Intel to put them out of business.

This isn't the same as the Merom launch not even close. P4P was what intel had As backup. Nehalem has Penryn to back it up. Way differant deal this time. If PHII is = to or > than the hype. I would say thats great for the fanbois. But not AMD. This will allow Intel by law to lower margins to = AMDs present margins. Intel by law cannot do that at this time. But Intel can undercut an = or> Performance product from someelse. This is really A tough call to make. It would be a mistake for AMD to match Penryn Performance per clock. Because that allows Intel to free up penryn pricing which already is higher margin than Merom . So intel gets wiggle room. That may not be good for AMD . Ya see what I am saying. I am sorry guys I got A lot riding on this . I want AMD to come up short of Penryn performance . So Intel has less wiggle room. IF PHII is = to or greater than nehalem than and only than is it a new game. Thats not going to happen. SO heres how it is . IF PHii is > than Penryn performance per clock. = BAD for AMD.

OMG who told you it took a AMD label to get me excited??? If you see my sig i have a E8500, I bought it because it got me excited enough don't you think?

Fanboi word was mentioned so i need to clarify this. Since when being happy with a good value part means you're a fanboi???
Also, you spend so much time and effort on AMD threads justifying how bad they're doing and how awesome Intel is. That alone Nemesistroll, is being a fanboi. Grow up.

Don't forget, read my sig, i love Intel too

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: JackyP

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
No one is argueing with you . Sick beast.

I am, because..

Originally posted by: SickBeast
As for the 20% / 50% comments; the chips may be 20% faster per clock, but when you take overclocking into account they are easily 50% faster than the top Phenom chips that currently exist.

..my calculator tells me you are wrong. How can we trust your prediction if you did not even calculate an IPC estimate from this review? The 15% higher clocked ph II does not perform 20% better than ph I across the board, how is it supposed to perform 20% better per clock then?

That's fine. We'll see who's right when the reviews come out. We probably haven't even been looking at the same numbers from the sound of it.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
THAT is funny...compete in games eh? Since games use the GPU, and it's been shown that even an overclocked i7 can't feed a tri-sli setup well...it's laughable that anyone would really expect gaming to be an adequate benchmark for a CPU.

Lets fold, crunch, transcode, encode, render, do some photoshop filters. And yes it's 8 threads vs 4. Stock is stock.

Games are pretty much the only reason why I need a new CPU. At the right settings, they are an excellent CPU benchmark. There's also the fact that they can test PhysX games with the CPU performing all the physics calculations instead of the GPU (in Mirror's Edge, for example).

I'm confused by your tri-sli comment. To me, that just means that we need better CPUs, and would be a great opportunity to compare the i7 with the PII.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Gikaseixas

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
A lot of people were excited with C2D pre-launch hype, we heard rumors, we heard how good it was so it's normal for users to be equally excited now.

I'm happy because it looks like i'll be able to spend around $300 and gain maybe 30-40% in performance, that's not bad at all.

OK . I see what your saying . It is nice that AMD caught up to merom . In performance. But that 30-40% improvement has been around for 2 years. With Merom Since your including O/Cs. More like 60-70% But It took an AMD label to get ya excited . Also The cost thing. Were comparing a $300 cpu to a $300 dollar cpu. I like right now that people are saying IC7 sucks at gaming. I say just the other way around. IC7 is great for gaming. Short term your view might prevail. Long term I win.

I keep hereing the $$$ poping up. Inorder to compete with IC7 AMD needs DDR3 . When ya buy a new DDR3 M/B and a cpu to match and the memory . LETS DO i Price Compare on AMD setup that gets a little closer to IC7 performance.

When Ananda does his review. I trust they will try to please everyone with the presentation. Providing this thing hasn't been hyped. If its hyped who knows.

This cost thing is starting to smell like fanbois. Cry about a $300 cpu. How many jumped on the $600+ NV 280 . Thats got a life of less than 1 year as to what it takes to run the games the best. Everytime I see people cry about CPU /Memory pricies. I just look in amazement. AS these same people shell out the $$$ for a new gpu every year. LOL. Are most of you guys Gamers First.

If I was a gamer first. I would go Xbox. The cost that so many talk about as being primary. Stops at the XBOX than we here a new story. PC better games ect. ect. ect. ALL bs . I do hope that PHII beats or = penryn . Because Intels price adjustments will be hard pill for AMD to swollow. Thats what you guys want right. Better intel pricies. You want AMD to force Intel to put them out of business.

This isn't the same as the Merom launch not even close. P4P was what intel had As backup. Nehalem has Penryn to back it up. Way differant deal this time. If PHII is = to or > than the hype. I would say thats great for the fanbois. But not AMD. This will allow Intel by law to lower margins to = AMDs present margins. Intel by law cannot do that at this time. But Intel can undercut an = or> Performance product from someelse. This is really A tough call to make. It would be a mistake for AMD to match Penryn Performance per clock. Because that allows Intel to free up penryn pricing which already is higher margin than Merom . So intel gets wiggle room. That may not be good for AMD . Ya see what I am saying. I am sorry guys I got A lot riding on this . I want AMD to come up short of Penryn performance . So Intel has less wiggle room. IF PHII is = to or greater than nehalem than and only than is it a new game. Thats not going to happen. SO heres how it is . IF PHii is > than Penryn performance per clock. = BAD for AMD.

OMG who told you it took a AMD label to get me excited??? If you see my sig i have a E8500, I bought it because it got me excited enough don't you think?

Fanboi word was mentioned so i need to clarify this. Since when being happy with a good value part means you're a fanboi???
Also, you spend so much time and effort on AMD threads justifying how bad they're doing and how awesome Intel is. That alone Nemesistroll, is being a fanboi. Grow up.

Don't forget, read my sig, i love Intel too

I seen your sig. doesn't matter. You compared Intels Merom prelaunch. To whats going on here with this launch. I say the only thing I remember clearly how merom Intel 6 month prelaunch went. Hardly any believed. When the smoke cleared Intel undercut true performnce. All the Nay sayers dis believed the real benchies the the Hardware news guys were allowed to bench. I have seen know such demo from AMD Other than Freezing chips. and 3.8 stable air clocks. Everthing else seems tantened.

Your really not looking at the BIG Picture Here for AMD. I AM . IF AMD Beats Penryn But Comes UP short OF Nehalem . Thats NOT good for AMD.

 

[Idontcare]

I don't know about everyone else, but for me it really matters whether I can get 500fps or 600fps at 640x480 when I'm deciding between which of two CPU's to buy. :laugh: Moar fps plz!

That reminds me, since we seem to be way off on a tangent talking about inconsequential performance differences, anyone know if Killer NIC is going to go PCIe SLI?

I know it won't change anything regarding actual game play, but I have this penchant for setting things up with the right settings so I can actually benchmark my pings and load times in a NIC limited environment...and that's when I can see those ganged Killer NIC's really shine!

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
I don't know about everyone else, but for me it really matters whether I can get 500fps or 600fps at 640x480 when I'm deciding between which of two CPU's to buy. :laugh: Moar fps plz!

Game performance matters for several reasons. Once newer GPUs come out, it makes CPU performance more important. The other concern is that newer games will require more CPU power as well. 500fps at 640x480 may not seem useful now, but it will translate to necessary performance at 1920x1200 with a modern GPU in a new game.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I don't care.You devil . You know Dam well were talking High res. Crysis here. I think maybe by 2010 will have GPUs that will show nehalems true power and games thread for nehalem.

Iam not going to count the game Project Offset. Its Intel Platform only so it doesn't count. Brother in law e-mailed me some footage of new Demo . TO be released soon. Wait til ya ya this. Nothing comes close to compare not even same arenea.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
I don't know about everyone else, but for me it really matters whether I can get 500fps or 600fps at 640x480 when I'm deciding between which of two CPU's to buy. :laugh: Moar fps plz!

That reminds me, since we seem to be way off on a tangent talking about inconsequential performance differences, anyone know if Killer NIC is going to go PCIe SLI?

I know it won't change anything regarding actual game play, but I have this penchant for setting things up with the right settings so I can actually benchmark my pings and load times in a NIC limited environment...and that's when I can see those ganged Killer NIC's really shine!

It drives me nuts that they still only test CPU's at ultra low res and settings. I understand this removes the GPU bottleneck to focus on CPU power, but that's just one piece of the pie. Since we can't run AMD CPU's on a 775 board and can't run C2D's/Q's on a AM2+ board I still think it makes more sense to at least add some mid-higher res/setting benchmarks to test the platform as a whole. Who's to say that the AM2+ platform isn't better as a whole, but with an inferior CPU that balances out in real world gaming situations... we'll never know by testing at 640x480. All we know is that the C2D is much faster at resolutions and settings no one with an overlocked E8500 actually runs.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Sick beast when you see this perfornm you won't believe your eyes.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...uts-lucid-hydra-on-x58

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Idontcare
I don't know about everyone else, but for me it really matters whether I can get 500fps or 600fps at 640x480 when I'm deciding between which of two CPU's to buy. :laugh: Moar fps plz!

Game performance matters for several reasons. Once newer GPUs come out, it makes CPU performance more important. The other concern is that newer games will require more CPU power as well. 500fps at 640x480 may not seem useful now, but it will translate to necessary performance at 1920x1200 with a modern GPU in a new game.

I understand the theory behind the rationale for doing it...I've just never seen it actually bare any fruit (in the 10+ yrs that this rationale has been promoted by review sites).

When was the last time super high fps on silly low resolutions (to remove GPU bottleneck) resulted in people buying a CPU then that turned out to later enable gameplay on what would have otherwise been an unplayable game had the owner initially purchased a CPU that netted lower (but still silly high) fps at 640x480?

This is part of the fallacy that is "future proofing". It's easy to argue that it doesn't hurt, future proof all you want, the only downside is you spend money that didn't need spending. But rarely if ever does anyone come back on their past hardware decisions and prove that it actually helped in a materially beneficial manner (gave them an extra 6 months of viable game play on that one last extra generation of games, etc).

Crysis is a good example actually. It didn't matter what you bought before Crysis came out, nothing prepared your future-proofed system with 600fps at 640x480 for the coming of Crysis. It is so GPU limited it isn't funny. Sure you can buy a pitifully slow CPU and make it even less playable, but no hardware existed prior to its release that you could have bought and turn out to be able to play with all eye-candy and full/normal high-end resolutions on common 22"-24" screens.

So people want to base their present (or near-present) CPU purchases on the prospects of once again it making a difference in the actual playability of some currently unknown game that will debut in late 2009 or 2010...I say go for it, not my money, do what floats your boat. But my opinion is unchanged, its a fiscally inefficient approach to maximizing your hobby budget.

Buy what you need to run today's apps, save the money you don't spend (buy a 6-9 month high-yield CD instead) and use it for future upgrades where hardware will be faster and cheaper when the software/games are equally more demanding on those CPU/GPU resources.

 

[Idontcare]

Edit - triple post, a personal first, care of my son who loves to hit the keyboard at any chance

 

[Idontcare]

Edit - triple post, a personal first, care of my son who loves to hit the keyboard at any chance

 

[Nemesis 1]

Kids are great. You experienced a first. But in reply ,

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...uts-lucid-hydra-on-x58

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Sick beast when you see this perfornm you won't believe your eyes.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...uts-lucid-hydra-on-x58

Mix and match GPUs? How is that of benefit exactly?

IMO most intel platforms are overpriced, along with their CPUs. I will probably be going with AMD if the Phenom II is all that it's cracked up to be.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yep thats the way it should be choice, But Is what I am saying . When the Hydra boards appear its more than mix and match of same make Gpus .Its like 4x4870s running 100%scale. When you see these reviews in Jan. Feb. You will know Nehalems gaming power . Their will be AMD PHII with DDR3 M/Bs with Hydra also . Those reviews will expose the trueth.

So cost wise were talking cheaper intel system Compared to Same AMD system using Hydra chip. Both require new CPUs/ M/B/ Memory DDR3 . So if you think these systems are cheaper your write. Everthing After Hydra ia what counts. Its your choice wait 3 months and Have a hydra system or Buy now and have underperforming game play.

 

[JackyP]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: JackyP

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
No one is argueing with you . Sick beast.

I am, because..

Originally posted by: SickBeast
As for the 20% / 50% comments; the chips may be 20% faster per clock, but when you take overclocking into account they are easily 50% faster than the top Phenom chips that currently exist.

..my calculator tells me you are wrong. How can we trust your prediction if you did not even calculate an IPC estimate from this review? The 15% higher clocked ph II does not perform 20% better than ph I across the board, how is it supposed to perform 20% better per clock then?

That's fine. We'll see who's right when the reviews come out. We probably haven't even been looking at the same numbers from the sound of it.

I do not trust the FUDzilla provided Iranian review myself, but I am pretty sure, if we were talking about this one, it was the one not showing spectecular stock-performance (20% more perf. for 15% clock).

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Is there a way to remove all of Nemesis's posts from threads?

He is without question the dumbest and most illiterate person in the CPU forum. His ramblings read like a Jack Kerouac stream-of-consciousness novel.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Kids are great. You experienced a first. But in reply ,

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...uts-lucid-hydra-on-x58

I like the concept of hydra Then again who wouldn't?

But its all vaporware and hype until I see it on Newegg and reviewed at AT or other tier-one review site.

I bought into enough of the "zomg tis gonna blowz yur mind" hype last go around with the Ageia PhysX and those killer nics. Hydra is no different in my book until proven otherwise.

SSD's are the only thing these past years that actually lived up to the hype when it came to performance (thanks only to Intel's iteration on it though) but the drool dries up pretty quick when the sticker shock sets in.

Please let me reiterate once more that I LIKE the concept of Hydra, will be super cool if it actually works as hyped and costs less than an arm and a leg to add to existing hardware sets.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
It would be a mistake for AMD to match Penryn Performance per clock. Because that allows Intel to free up penryn pricing which already is higher margin than Merom . So intel gets wiggle room. That may not be good for AMD . Ya see what I am saying. I am sorry guys I got A lot riding on this . I want AMD to come up short of Penryn performance . So Intel has less wiggle room.

That makes no sense. As an AMD stockholder, you don't want AMD to match or exceed the performance of Intel? Are you missing something there? Having the performance crown allows the companies to dictate prices. The inferior-performing part just has to play along. We see that in the GPU arena too.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
It would be a mistake for AMD to match Penryn Performance per clock. Because that allows Intel to free up penryn pricing which already is higher margin than Merom . So intel gets wiggle room. That may not be good for AMD . Ya see what I am saying. I am sorry guys I got A lot riding on this . I want AMD to come up short of Penryn performance . So Intel has less wiggle room.

That makes no sense. As an AMD stockholder, you don't want AMD to match or exceed the performance of Intel? Are you missing something there? Having the performance crown allows the companies to dictate prices. The inferior-performing part just has to play along. We see that in the GPU arena too.

AMD needs to beat Nehalem in order to raise pricies. If AMD fails to beat Nehalem But Beats Penryn . Intel lowers pricies on penryn. AMd Has to lower pricies . AMD is already bleeding cash. The last thing AMD wants is for Intel to lower penryn price. Ya its great for us. A price war. But AMD doesn't have it in them to continue slashing pricies.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Kids are great. You experienced a first. But in reply ,

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...uts-lucid-hydra-on-x58

I like the concept of hydra Then again who wouldn't?

But its all vaporware and hype until I see it on Newegg and reviewed at AT or other tier-one review site.

I bought into enough of the "zomg tis gonna blowz yur mind" hype last go around with the Ageia PhysX and those killer nics. Hydra is no different in my book until proven otherwise.

SSD's are the only thing these past years that actually lived up to the hype when it came to performance (thanks only to Intel's iteration on it though) but the drool dries up pretty quick when the sticker shock sets in.

Please let me reiterate once more that I LIKE the concept of Hydra, will be super cool if it actually works as hyped and costs less than an arm and a leg to add to existing hardware sets.

Its not vaporware anymore than PHII. Many have seen it in operation. And many have them now for testing. NO vapor ware and it works.

 

[DrewSG3]

How does the Phenom 2 and Q9300 stack up with each other?

 

[Duvie]

Hey lets be careful calling the Phenom II a PII....Doesn't seem right....Maybe just call it PhII like IDC did.


It really doesnt matter what the Deneb does I wont be getting it....My platform has some room to grow....I likely will get a 45nm Penryn and be avoiding even an i7.....My QX6700 at 3.2ghz is plenty for my uses which have long been considered power uses...It can do 3.5ghz if I want to throw water back on it....

otherwise a nice 45nm Q9400 or something and try for 4ghz....Probably be good for at least one more year...

I have had this QX6700 now for 2 years....longest I have had a chip since 2001

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya Duvie your right . The Increase in performance isn't worth the move over what ya have. I don't need any more power either. But I will Have a PHII with DDR3. Because I want 1 and I owe myself that much. Same with X58 setup. I have nice set up here . Priming its really nice . But its not what I want. I want revision 2 of the Blood Red M/B with Hydra. Revision 1 isn't even released yet. LOL. Really the second revisions of the x58 M/Bs with Hydra are going to be nice . Very fuure proof also once 32nm comes out with 8 cores. Hell the present one is good . But with hydra its a new ballgame. This applies to AMD also. Think about it. Buy the top performance card now . Than when you Up grade just aid the upgrade and your sailing . After you have 2 cards running it leaves all sorts of up grade possiabilities. Skipping generations and still getting top performance. Going to cheap low power cards and getting great performances . There is just so much to the hydra chip. It will be years befor they exhaust all its possiabilities.