cKGunslinger
Lifer
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Most of the PhDs here at work:
a) Make nice money
b) Have nice benefits
c) Have choice assignments
d) Are well-respected (deservedly)
e) Are more intelligent and knowledgeable than 90% of the rest of the workforce
f) Have life-long dedication and passion for their fields of study
g) Have very well-balanced social/family lives
My work will pay for continued education, but I have neither the time nor the level of dedication required to pursue a master's degree right now, but I admire those that do.
But hey, maybe you guys know more than me, and all your doctorate friends really are small penis-wielding egotistical nerd losers who fear the "real world." :roll:
a) Make nice money
b) Have nice benefits
c) Have choice assignments
d) Are well-respected (deservedly)
e) Are more intelligent and knowledgeable than 90% of the rest of the workforce
f) Have life-long dedication and passion for their fields of study
g) Have very well-balanced social/family lives
My work will pay for continued education, but I have neither the time nor the level of dedication required to pursue a master's degree right now, but I admire those that do.
But hey, maybe you guys know more than me, and all your doctorate friends really are small penis-wielding egotistical nerd losers who fear the "real world." :roll:
I think some of the negative stigma associated with egotistical PhDs stems from people with PhDs in Basket Weaving who insist on being called "doctor".
Doctors are doctors. That's it.
Doctors are doctors. That's it.
I think that people who decry PHD seekers as being afraid of the "real world" or "trying to increase e-penis size" are really just intellectually shallow and really don't understand what a PhD is.
Personally, I have been thinking about going for a PhD in Financial Engineering, not to teach, but to get into exotic derivative and financial strategies. These are areas that they won't even touch you if you don't have a PhD.
Other areas simple require one to get a good practice going, such as psychology. Others require it to learn more and become focused. I think many people short-sell PhD's because of what they heard, for example, in Cocktail where Tom Cruise rips on the teacher for hiding.
Many teachers and PhD holders are the ones responsible for new directions in thought and process in many fields. I think most people forget that a PhD is really about research, expansion of knowledge, and becoming a very good and knowledged person in your field.
Heck, people think I am looking for a bigger e-penis with my MBA + CFA, but then again, I have forgotten more about finance than they will ever know and it certainly shows in my career advancement.
Personally, I have been thinking about going for a PhD in Financial Engineering, not to teach, but to get into exotic derivative and financial strategies. These are areas that they won't even touch you if you don't have a PhD.
Other areas simple require one to get a good practice going, such as psychology. Others require it to learn more and become focused. I think many people short-sell PhD's because of what they heard, for example, in Cocktail where Tom Cruise rips on the teacher for hiding.
Many teachers and PhD holders are the ones responsible for new directions in thought and process in many fields. I think most people forget that a PhD is really about research, expansion of knowledge, and becoming a very good and knowledged person in your field.
Heck, people think I am looking for a bigger e-penis with my MBA + CFA, but then again, I have forgotten more about finance than they will ever know and it certainly shows in my career advancement.
Absolutely :thumbsup:
There's more to life then just a paycheck. I'd like to go back for my PhD sometime - for me it's about a couple of things...
- the opportunities it opens up in the future.
- the opportunity to work with talented people at the top of their field.
- The opportunityto work in an endeavor that isn't neccesarily tied to simply the corporate bottom line for the next quarter.
- The personal satisfaction of knowing that I'm among the best at what I do - however narrow that may be
- I like the academic environment.
meltdown75
Lifer
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I agree with B,C . My brother has a PHD in Computer Science and EE. He spends most of his time researching.
Ausm
Pretty much sums up my experience in the workforce as well. Both of the companies I've worked for have a very high % of advanced degrees.
meltdown75
Lifer
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I'd just like to add that when you're excellent and you can't help but be as much due to your nature, you tend to shoot for the utmost in achievement without even really thinking about it. It's in your nature.
I'm not one of these people but I'm very close to someone who is.
IMHO the PhD will just come with the territory. It's not about ego or anything else, just about being the best and brightest and achieving as much as you can given the time and opportunities you get.
BTW there is a ton of idiot posts in this thread, WOW.
I'm not one of these people but I'm very close to someone who is.
IMHO the PhD will just come with the territory. It's not about ego or anything else, just about being the best and brightest and achieving as much as you can given the time and opportunities you get.
BTW there is a ton of idiot posts in this thread, WOW.
I would say most people who have knowledge of these things learn on the job at a hedge fund or top investment management firm. Not only that, good luck finding a program that will actually teach complicated financial derivative products.
DrPizza
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I think you're leaving out that many people set high goals for themselves... it's about personal satisfaction. They love the field they're in, so they set their goals high to pursue knowledge in their field to as high a level as possible. Personally, I'd love to get a PhD in mathematics or physics... I'm quite satisfied to be a high school teacher; what knowledge I gain in pursuing a PhD won't really help in my current job, but it does open more opportunities to teach college classes on the side. (Actually, I was offered employment to teach some evening math classes at a local college in the future.)
Mardeth
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My masters takes 5 years... How can you get a PhD in less than that studying normally?...
Anyway, my dad has a PhD. I think he did because he wanted to do research. He is in the biotech field. He aint no lab rat anymore. He has done pretty good for himself.
Anyway, my dad has a PhD. I think he did because he wanted to do research. He is in the biotech field. He aint no lab rat anymore. He has done pretty good for himself.
Some reason they feel an increased need to rid themselves of what's left of their common sense.
Some of the "dumbest" people I've ever met are PhD's...
Some of the "dumbest" people I've ever met are PhD's...
preslove
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They are. They're probably better at one thing than you are at anything.
The entire point of a PhD is to give a specific, concentrated education on a given field. As experts they advance that specific field and add to the depth of knowledge concerning that ONE field or SUB-field. They don't have to know anything else. Some people are just wired that way.
Born2bwire
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DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
I wouldn't be able to have the job I have without a PhD. I didn't do it for my ego...I don't even want my students to call me Dr. Olson, I have them call me by my first name. I do love spending time in the lab, and I love developing new hypotheses and testing them, even more so now that I'm working on a comparative study. I don't understand why alot of you are making sweeping generalizations about those with PhD's. Maybe it's envy...
You'd be surprised at how many jobs I have looked at in this area that say "PhD in math, engineering, or financial engineering required". You can train a non-quant person to be quant, but they won't be nearly as good as somebody who has been steeped in that education their whole lives.
I'm not making sweeping generalizations. I'm just reporting the current findings regarding my hypothesis that people with a phd lack common sense. Undoubtedly my n is currenlty limited to between 6 and 12.
Umm did you go to college? I must say almost every professor I've met is not only brilliant but also among the most sociable and practical individuals I've ever encountered. I'm curious as to your basis for labeling these people as "lacking common sense."
Erm, wow. I didn't expect so many people to chip in.
You wanna know what's ridiculous? My parents split up because my dad wanted to do the PhD but she felt that it was a waste of time and money. He didn't get a stipend, cos I think that's only prevalent in the US. So he lived off "their" savings for 4 years. My mom couldn't understand why he had to do it.
In the end, my dad chose to leave. Maybe it was a mid life crisis, maybe it was a difference in opinion that finally brewed to the surface.
ANyway, I'm now 28, and I'm thinking about going back to do a PhD when I turn 30, after I pay off my undergraqd scholarship.
You wanna know what's ridiculous? My parents split up because my dad wanted to do the PhD but she felt that it was a waste of time and money. He didn't get a stipend, cos I think that's only prevalent in the US. So he lived off "their" savings for 4 years. My mom couldn't understand why he had to do it.
In the end, my dad chose to leave. Maybe it was a mid life crisis, maybe it was a difference in opinion that finally brewed to the surface.
ANyway, I'm now 28, and I'm thinking about going back to do a PhD when I turn 30, after I pay off my undergraqd scholarship.
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