Pharmacists refusing to prescribe Birthcontrol

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its their right, however I believe they should be required to post their restrictions on a sign somewhere.

In small towns tho, this is actually pretty frightening.

How is this their right? If I work at as an EMT is it my right to refuse to respond to a call because the person is a muslim?

 

[Insomniak]

Since when do pharmacists prescribe anything?

If they have trouble giving out certain medications, they shouldn't have been a damned pharmacist in the first place.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: jjsole
Its their right, however I believe they should be required to post their restrictions on a sign somewhere.

In small towns tho, this is actually pretty frightening.

How is this their right? If I work at as an EMT is it my right to refuse to respond to a call because the person is a muslim?

No, you're only allowed to discriminate based on "your" religion, not the people you're offering the service to. Then it's nice and legal. </tongue in cheek>

- M4H

 

[3chordcharlie]

/mewaits for someone to justify this by claiming it is the same as 'legislating from the bench'.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Doboji
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This is perhaps the most assanine thing I've ever read. How could anyone be stupid enough to think this is somehow anything other than shoving your own personal beliefs down someone elses throats. It's one thing to not take birth control for reasons of personal morality. But to refuse a legal prescription to SOMEONE else ought to be a crime.

This from the same people who are so anti-gun control and pro individual rights and responsibility. Makes me sick to my stomach.

-Max

I believe that alergy medication are immoral. God invented mold to make sinners sniffle. :|

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Skoorb
So go get it fvcking filled somewhere else. I know of a million drug stores. If one stopped filling prescriptions for birth control, I'd avoid it even if I needed a chocolate bar.

Sorry Skoorb read the article... These pharmacists have also been refusing to transfer the prescriptions. And when you're talking a 72 hour deadline... just going to another pharmacy isn't always so straight forward.

-Max

Yeah I didn't read the article. Screw them then, they suck.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Do they sell condoms? Or did they take those off the shelves as well?

You know, I'm sure that pregnancy tests result in some abortions also...they should pull those off the shelf as well.

Fvcking morons. :roll:

 

[jackschmittusa]

Well, if you don't like killing people when you are in the Army (and that is part of the job of course), they give you conscientious objector status and a job pushing a broom. Maybe they should do the same for pharmacists. After all, they might withhold meds that could lead to a woman's death if pregnancy could be life-threatening to her.

 

[vi edit]

I just say that all the women pharmacists should group together and refuse to fill Viagra/Cialis/Levitra perscriptions on grounds of moral dispute.

That ought to rattle the cages of some limp d!ck politicians.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I just say that all the women pharmacists should group together and refuse to fill Viagra/Cialis/Levitra perscriptions on grounds of moral dispute.

That ought to rattle the cages of some limp d!ck politicians.

Vi are you having a reading comprehension problem today?

did you happen to miss that Karen L. Brauer, Pharmacists for Life president, who spearheads the right of pharmacists to refuse medicine is a WOMAN...

in fact I thought a few of the other reported pharmacists holding out were also women...

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

My wife is about 6 weeks away from being a licensed pharmacist. This is a huge topic in the field and the practice disgusts her.

You aren't in the field to make moral judgements. If you can't accept that, don't be a pharmacist. Judging IS NOT your job.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I just say that all the women pharmacists should group together and refuse to fill Viagra/Cialis/Levitra perscriptions on grounds of moral dispute.

That ought to rattle the cages of some limp d!ck politicians.

Vi are you having a reading comprehension problem today?

did you happen to miss that Karen L. Brauer, Pharmacists for Life president, who spearheads the right of pharmacists to refuse medicine is a WOMAN...

in fact I thought a few of the other reported pharmacists holding out were also women...

No, no reading comprehension problem. It's just a power of majority. The majority ARE women that DO have problems with what these people are doing.

 

[dannybin1742]

My wife is about 6 weeks away from being a licensed pharmacist. This is a huge topic in the field and the practice disgusts her.

You aren't in the field to make moral judgements. If you can't accept that, don't be a pharmacist. Judging IS NOT your job.

hit the nail on the head! this is so true, their job is to fill prescriptions, nothing more, and anyone who thinks otherwise probably has a personal agenda they are trying to fill (no pun intended)

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

My wife is about 6 weeks away from being a licensed pharmacist. This is a huge topic in the field and the practice disgusts her.

You aren't in the field to make moral judgements. If you can't accept that, don't be a pharmacist. Judging IS NOT your job.

Exactly. A pharmacist's job is to fill perscriptions written by the doctor. How they feel about that medication is irrelevant as long as the medication is legal.

That's the problem here, it's not that people have these beliefs, it's that they abuse their authority to force their beliefs on others. Condor also used the phrase "force their beliefs on others" or something similar, but for the OTHER group of people. He's wrong, that's not what was going on. Here is the difference. If I go to church every day, I am simply following my beliefs, I am not forcing other people to follow those beliefs. Sure, others have to accept that I go to church, but that's one of the things that our country was founded on...the right to do as you please as long as it doesn't interfere with other peoples' rights to do the same. You may not like what I do, but unless it interferes with your rights...tough sh!t. But if I was a manager and I threatened to fire everyone who didn't go to church with me, THAT would be forcing my beliefs on everyone.

Contrary to what some of you on the right might think, I don't think these morons represent the majority of Christians...and I don't think most people on the left do either. But that doesn't mean they aren't morons, and if I didn't know better, I'd say you are simply trying to deflect the discussion with some well placed "poor persecuted Christian" whining.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

are either of you actually serious when you say this sort of thing isn't newsworthy?

 

[Rainsford]

By the way, those of you who believe you can not perform your job due to beliefs...don't you think you should quit at that point? I would have a hard time helping perform abortions...so guess what I don't get a job doing.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

are either of you actually serious when you say this sort of thing isn't newsworthy?

Only a bigot would think it is.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

are either of you actually serious when you say this sort of thing isn't newsworthy?

Only a bigot would think it is.

Well at least according to you. :roll:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: nutxo

Originally posted by: illustri

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: nutxo

No, these are the things they put in the news. Wonder why that is? Is this really newsworthy or is it that people like to read about such things so they can shake their fists and scream about christians trying to force their views on others.


For all we know there could be 50,000 christian pharmacists filling prescriptions everyday and not doing anything but their job.

Notice how your level-headed, common-sense post in this thread has received no responses? This thread is purely a "OMG - the Jebus-freaks are everywhere" circle-jerk thread and nothing more. :roll:

are either of you actually serious when you say this sort of thing isn't newsworthy?

Only a bigot would think it is.

Think it is newsworthy? I don't think you have to be a bigot or think all Christians are like this to find it troubling that there is apparently fairly widespread instances of people not doing their jobs due to religious beliefs. That's sort of a problem...and it in no way reflects on people who aren't behaving like idiots, except maybe to the extent that they don't come out against it.

Nice try derailing the conversation though (you too cKGunslinger), but are we really going to argue that there is nothing wrong with what these pharmacists are doing?

 

[Infohawk]

If you guys don't think it's newsworthy, don't post.

 

[illustri]

nutxo

there are tens of thousands of christian pharmacists who fill bc prescriptions, thats not newsworthy, they're doing their goddamn job

when a couple do not, thats cause for concern

what do you want? to ignore their asshatry and endanger women's health?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: eigen
Only religon can get away with such crap.I work in IT ( as a drone ) on campus.I recently had to set up a multi-media display for the campus gay and lesbian group.What do you guys think would have happened If I had told my boss that I couldnt set up and configure their equipment, because its against my beliefs.You know what would have happened.What would happen at your job if you pulled some crap like this...

Actually you could say that you are not going to do it, because of "deeply held" religous beliefs. They can not fire your or disapline you for doing that.

There are some other factors involved, number of people who work at the job, size of the organization, and if it is government instituation.

It is a sticky issue when dealing with people's beliefs when it conflicts with their job, not working on the sabath is a more common one.

I disagree witht he pharmacist's actions, but i do agree with the idea of not violating one's religous, or other deeply held beliefs when it comes in conflict with one's job or profession.

I'm curious though: the people in this forum who bash the pharmacist, or Christian's in general - would support a soldier refusing to fight (in any war) - because it goes against their beliefs.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
...
I'm curious though: the people in this forum who bash the pharmacist, or Christian's in general - would support a soldier refusing to fight (in any war) - because it goes against their beliefs.

With the limitation that I'm not bashing Christians in general, I WOULD have a problem with someone who signs up to be a soldier but doesn't want to fight in any way. Why? Because it's their job to fight, that's what a soldier does. I respect their views on war, and I think it's wrong to force people to fight if it goes against their beliefs. But the problem is that the hypothetical soldier made the choice to put themselves in that situation when they shouldn't have.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: shrumpage
...
I'm curious though: the people in this forum who bash the pharmacist, or Christian's in general - would support a soldier refusing to fight (in any war) - because it goes against their beliefs.

With the limitation that I'm not bashing Christians in general, I WOULD have a problem with someone who signs up to be a soldier but doesn't want to fight in any way. Why? Because it's their job to fight, that's what a soldier does. I respect their views on war, and I think it's wrong to force people to fight if it goes against their beliefs. But the problem is that the hypothetical soldier made the choice to put themselves in that situation when they shouldn't have.

Indeed. It's a terrible analogy by shrumpage. A better analogy is tolerating a christian who doesn't want to become a pharmacist like people tolerate people who don't want to be soldiers.