Pharmacist who killed robber guilty of murder

[KaOTiK]

I like this pharmacist, he finishes what he starts.

 

[alkemyst]

if you want me to feel bad for the other guy I'm not going to.

QFT...I think most see that video and start sympathizing with the kid.

I have been in a lot of altercations. Fortunately I have gotten out most the better. There is not one guy that loses a fight that wishes he didn't and is in tears/pain/broken.

I have had people come up to me as if I was the assailant and get all critical of me.

I have not maimed or killed anyone. I have been scarred and injured pretty badly though.

Unfortunately those same asshats are back starting with people as soon as they are healed up.

In the end we are all human. We feel sadness and pain. However, many do not belong amongst us and it's better they are eliminated either directly or locked up forever.

Just look at the family members that not only were found guilty, but then went and assaulted the DA. These fuckers have no place on our planet.

 

[ShawnD1]

You're missing the part where he went to get a SECOND gun and then shot him FIVE times.

That's premeditated.

Who cares? You come into my store and try to rob me, I have full rights to murder you. End of story.
Same rules apply to house. If you break into a house, the homeowner should have full authority to kill you even after you've been disarmed.

I like this pharmacist, he finishes what he starts.

unlike bush's war in iraq!!! /rimshot

 

[zinfamous]

IMO the Rx didn't make that decision, the kids did when they entered the pharmacy with a gun. They calculated the risk vs payoff value to be positive.
Risk our lives by trying to rob people with a gun vs $300

They made the decision.

They did. then the pharmacist made his decision to defend himself predicated on those dumbass little criminals, which he did.

situation over.

then , we have a new situation. Rx decides to commit murder after the initial situation has been neutralized. there's the problem.

 

[Ns1]

Who cares? You come into my store and try to rob me, I have full rights to murder you. End of story.
Same rules apply to house. If you break into a house, the homeowner should have full authority to kill you even after you've been disarmed.



unlike bush's war in iraq!!! /rimshot

The problem here isn't guns, but homeowners who miss.

 

[alkemyst]

Who cares? You come into my store and try to rob me, I have full rights to murder you. End of story.
Same rules apply to house. If you break into a house, the homeowner should have full authority to kill you even after you've been disarmed.



unlike bush's war in iraq!!! /rimshot

Castle Law covers this. In your home (and your car in many areas) you do not have to retreat, you do not have to verify if they are armed, someone breaks in or attacks you on / in your property....feel free to send them back to hell. Reload if you want.

 

[ShawnD1]

then , we have a new situation. Rx decides to commit murder after the initial situation has been neutralized. there's the problem.

Haven't you seen TV shows? If you don't kill them, they always come back.
ninja turtles vs shredder and krang
spiderman vs green goblin
oj simpson vs nicole simpson
bart simpson vs nelson
power rangers vs rita

 

[alkemyst]

The problem here isn't guns, but homeowners who miss.

well this is the anti-gun talkers...but how many times has a miss killed someone 'next door'. It's a rare event.

 

[Ns1]

well this is the anti-gun talkers...but how many times has a miss killed someone 'next door'. It's a rare event.

if you miss the first time you'll have to come back around and wrap up what you started ^_^

 

[PrinceofWands]

There is way too much bloodlust on this thread. I suspect it is from a bunch of people who have never seen death or much violence either. It is a horrible, horrible thing. Only the most depraved are not scarred by it. To so gleefully and enthusiastically applaud the pharmacist in this situation is disturbing, to say the least. I think most of it is internet bravado and some repressed anger.

Or it's from people who HAVE seen criminality close up, know it to be a vicious plague perpetrated by worthless bastards who have forfeited their right to life by threatening the existence of all innocent life, and are scared to death of the US decaying into something resembling the UK in this regard.

 

[ShawnD1]

Or it's from people who HAVE seen criminality close up, know it to be a vicious plague perpetrated by worthless bastards who have forfeited their right to life by threatening the existence of all innocent life, and are scared to death of the US decaying into something resembling the UK in this regard.

Pretty much. My black friend was attacked by some racist skinhead assholes, and it wasn't pretty. We should be able to do something about violent people like that. One day they attack my friend, maybe tomorrow they'll rob some guy's store, then the day after that they break into your house and rape your wife. If one of their victims can fight back and kill them, it stops there. Killing bad people makes you a hero. Look at how much we love Seal Team Six right now.

 

[SSSnail]

I'm sure the pharmacist woke up that day, plot out how he's going to shoot some punk 5 times when they enter his store to rob him, premeditated his moves and just wait for the opportunity to act.

Some of you guys are just stupid.

 

[guyver01]

I'm sure the pharmacist woke up that day, plot out how he's going to shoot some punk 5 times when they enter his store to rob him, premeditated his moves and just wait for the opportunity to act.

Some of you guys are just stupid.

Yes... like the person who i just quoted.


The word premeditated does not have the same legal definition as the dictionary definition.

Premeditated in the legal sense can be accomplished very quickly “or even in the proverbial twinkling of an eye.”

It is not necessary that the intention to kill should exist for any set length of time prior to the actual killing; it is only necessary that such intention should have come into existence for the first time at the time of such killing, or at any time previously.

 

[SSSnail]

So, what you're saying is crimes of passion are premeditated too then? See where I'm going?

 

[Modular]

I remember reading about this ages ago when it happened, probably here on ATOT. The guy is a sick bastard, probably a racist fucker, and while he was put in the situation, he clearly belongs behind bars.

lol, while we're throwing opinions around - I think you must be retarded for posting that this guy was racist.

 

[guyver01]

So, what you're saying is crimes of passion are premeditated too then? See where I'm going?

No.. i don't see where you're going. Are you a lawyer? Are you a judge? No.
The above definition i provided was a JUDGES ORDERS to a Jury when considering premeditated murder.

As far as the law is concerned... if you thought about it for ONE SECOND... it was premeditated.


The fact the guy had time to find a second gun.. indicates premeditation.

 

[ShawnD1]

So, what you're saying is crimes of passion are premeditated too then? See where I'm going?

Yes that's exactly what he's saying. Crimes of passion are premeditated because at no point does your brain stop meditating 😉

Murder 2 would make sense I suppose. I think that's the crime of passion category. Murder 1 is cold blooded, no passion. Manslaughter is accidental.

 

[BoomerD]

I hate thieves and am a strong believer in executing habitual criminals, but this was murder, plain and simple.

Had the robber been shot and killed DURING the robbery, especially if he had a gun...no problem. Self defense...justice served...BUT, he shot the criminal, ran outside chasing the other robbers, then returned, reloaded and shot the robber 5 more times while he was unarmed and laying on the floor...murder in the second degree.

 

[SSSnail]

No.. i don't see where you're going. Are you a lawyer? Are you a judge? No.
The above definition i provided was a JUDGES ORDERS to a Jury when considering premeditated murder.

As far as the law is concerned... if you thought about it for ONE SECOND... it was premeditated.


The fact the guy had time to find a second gun.. indicates premeditation.

IANAL, but I watch a lot of TVs. Wait, I work with a lot of them too, but nothing with murders and such.

Are you a lawyer? Are you a judge? So what you're saying is that the our justice system is perfect? That you've never heard of any stupid judgements?

Different people react differently. Adrenaline does different things to different people, you NEVER know how you're going to act when encountering the same situation. You see, I don't pretend to know the law, I'm just arguing as laymen argue. You should do the same.

Here's how I see it, either way you have dead thug that will be of no value to society if left alive. The pharmacist shot him in self defense, whether or not he was making sure the thug couldn't have any chance to hurt him anymore, that's up to debate. Hey, I've seen plenty thrillers where the bad guys never dies 😉

So, here we have a dead thug, and a good citizen that was put in a bad situation by the dead thug, let's go ahead and ruin a productive life, just because someone wanted to be technical.

 

[guyver01]

Are you a lawyer? Are you a judge? So what you're saying is that the our justice system is perfect? That you've never heard of any stupid judgements?

I've heard of stupid judgements, but ya know what? This is the only legal system we have, and while it's far from perfect... it's better than what most have.

Everyone here advocating that the pharmacist was right for killing the robber is supporting Sharia law.

Are you a terrorist? Because only terrorists support sharia law.

 

[alkemyst]

No.. i don't see where you're going. Are you a lawyer? Are you a judge? No.
The above definition i provided was a JUDGES ORDERS to a Jury when considering premeditated murder.

As far as the law is concerned... if you thought about it for ONE SECOND... it was premeditated.


The fact the guy had time to find a second gun.. indicates premeditation.

The concept of justice is lost on you. You should seek therapy.

 

[alkemyst]

I've heard of stupid judgements, but ya know what? This is the only legal system we have, and while it's far from perfect... it's better than what most have.

Everyone here advocating that the pharmacist was right for killing the robber is supporting Sharia law.

Are you a terrorist? Because only terrorists support sharia law.

yeah therapy is needed.

 

[guyver01]

The concept of justice is lost on you.

Justice is the concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, religion, fairness, or equity, along with the punishment of the breach of said ethics.

 

[alkemyst]

Justice is the concept of moral rightness based on ethics, rationality, law, natural law, religion, fairness, or equity, along with the punishment of the breach of said ethics.

yeah and over your paygrade + lost on you. Get over it.

 

[tcsenter]

My thinking is that the prosecutor in all likelihood offered this guy a decent plea deal, probably something like voluntary manslaughter or negligent homicide with minimum time, but this cantankerous old dude probably told him to shove it up his ass and he would take his chances with the jury. Soooo....here we are.