Pharmacist shot at two would-be robbers, one dead

[Hacp]

How the fuck do we know that the robber wasn't playing dead? Might have had another gun and was waiting for the perfect moment to kill the pharm and steal the drugs.

In my opinion, the additional shots were totally justified. If you try to rob a store, don't expect mercy. My life over yours buddy.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Amused
Well, it appears now the other teen who got away was arrested along with two older men police say masterminded the robbery.

All three will be charged with 1st degree murder in the death of their accomplice.

The status of the shop owner appears unchanged, though he has been released on bail.

The judge who arraigned the shop owner is apparently getting death threats. Kinda stupid.

There is an updated video explaining this in the OP's link.

http://www.news9.com/global/vi...Pane=info&rnd=45343212

Wait... that's news to me. Accomplices can be charged with the murder of their partner when the person they were committing a crime against was the one to kill the partner?

Not that I either agree or disagree with that, I'm just intrigued. Strangely hadn't known about that, so I as of yet have not formed an opinion on it. 😉

In Arizona, it is known as the "Felony Murder Law" and only applies to a death occurring during the act (or attempt) of a felony.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Hacp
How the fuck do we know that the robber wasn't playing dead? Might have had another gun and was waiting for the perfect moment to kill the pharm and steal the drugs.

In my opinion, the additional shots were totally justified. If you try to rob a store, don't expect mercy. My life over yours buddy.

The way it's supposed to go down is you aren't to be the judge and jury. You are supposed to flee and get LAW ENFORCEMENT when possible. Not shoot, reload and keep shooting.

It's cowards like this that are ruining gun ownership for everyone.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Wait... that's news to me. Accomplices can be charged with the murder of their partner when the person they were committing a crime against was the one to kill the partner?

Not that I either agree or disagree with that, I'm just intrigued. Strangely hadn't known about that, so I as of yet have not formed an opinion on it. 😉

Same way just having a firearm on you in the commission of a crime can change it's outcome even if you had no intent to use it/brandish it.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: destrekor

Wait... that's news to me. Accomplices can be charged with the murder of their partner when the person they were committing a crime against was the one to kill the partner?

Not that I either agree or disagree with that, I'm just intrigued. Strangely hadn't known about that, so I as of yet have not formed an opinion on it. 😉

Same way just having a firearm on you in the commission of a crime can change it's outcome even if you had no intent to use it/brandish it.

I've heard of it happening in the past as well, and I'm glad the prosecutors are pushing to charge the accomplices with murder in this situation, given that they were committing a felony at the time.

As for the pharmacist, while I can only imagine what that situation would have been like, I just can't justify (within my own mind) his actions. If the criminal had been shot in the head as the story says, I'd imagine there'd be a good deal of blood; the pharmacist, then, would have been able to tell the criminal was at least wounded. To walk up and then shoot him as he was lying on the ground just isn't right (or lawful).

 

[Gothgar]

come on, think of all the adrenaline

the adrenaline made me do it

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Amused
Well, it appears now the other teen who got away was arrested along with two older men police say masterminded the robbery.

All three will be charged with 1st degree murder in the death of their accomplice.

The status of the shop owner appears unchanged, though he has been released on bail.

The judge who arraigned the shop owner is apparently getting death threats. Kinda stupid.

There is an updated video explaining this in the OP's link.

http://www.news9.com/global/vi...Pane=info&rnd=45343212

Wait... that's news to me. Accomplices can be charged with the murder of their partner when the person they were committing a crime against was the one to kill the partner?

Not that I either agree or disagree with that, I'm just intrigued. Strangely hadn't known about that, so I as of yet have not formed an opinion on it. 😉

That's retarded, these prosecutors just want to charge everyone with murder so we can get more people into the prison system to control them and more people getting universal health care. If the outside world doesn't become a prison, then we'll just have to bring them in..

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: fleabag


That's retarded, these prosecutors just want to charge everyone with murder so we can get more people into the prison system to control them and more people getting universal health care. If the outside world doesn't become a prison, then we'll just have to bring them in..

They turned my wife into a NEWT!

Then charged her with murder.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: JS80
IMO the surviving accomplice and getaway driver should be charged with 1st degree murder and the pharmacist should be let go or charged with manslaughter (and acquitted).

Ah yes, the idiot republican position.

Ah yes the toolbox who consistently has nothing to post but hapless insults against others.

Originally posted by: shiner

Originally posted by: Phokus


Ah yes, the idiot republican position.

You really need to get a new act.

He should keep it going. The more people realize how much of an incapacitated nitwit he is, the more likely he'll shout about it.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
IMO, the guy went beyond what would be considered "defense" in this.

I have no issue with the "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" part of this, but going back, getting another pistol and shooting the guy 5 more times...I hope he has fun in PMITA prison...especially when "BUBBA" finds out what he did to a brutha...

This.

 

[invidia]

He's clearly a murderer. If you go beyond to what is saving your life, ie. shooting an unconscious robber in the head, smashing a crowbar to a robber's head more than 10 times (assuming he goes down on the first), then it's murder.

But I feel nothing for the robbers or their families. Raised wrong and was the one who started it. They deserved those bullets.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: invidia
He's clearly a murderer. If you go beyond to what is saving your life, ie. shooting an unconscious robber in the head, smashing a crowbar to a robber's head more than 10 times (assuming he goes down on the first), then it's murder.

But I feel nothing for the robbers or their families. Raised wrong and was the one who started it. They deserved those bullets.

I agree about the robbers. I have no issues with the execution. He just shouldn't have done it in front of a camera.

 

[SSSnail]

The second you decide to make an attempt at me, is the second that you be come free game. Adrenaline, temporary anger, etc... I'd have done a lot worse.

Those sitting armchairs siting "murder" are idiots, I bet most of you have never encounter any situation more exciting than getting shot at in CounterStrike.

 

[se7en]

Originally posted by: dainthomas
The pharmacist had ample opportunity to leave the scene and get help. He CHOSE to go back to the scene, get another gun, walk over to the incapacitated person on the floor, and kill him for no reason (and no, being a "crazy monkey" is not a valid defense in the eyes of the law).

And the pharmacist would have been sued by the guy he shot had he survived. Let me be on the jury here and he'll walk away with a fucking medal.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The second you decide to make an attempt at me, is the second that you be come free game. Adrenaline, temporary anger, etc... I'd have done a lot worse.

Those sitting armchairs siting "murder" are idiots, I bet most of you have never encounter any situation more exciting than getting shot at in CounterStrike.

The line is the sand is pretty damn obvious to most people.

If the pharmacist wanted to empty an entire clip in one-go at the robber, he's in the clear. Even a little hesitation between shots is fine.

Going away from the scene, returning, grabbing another gun, then executing a completely disabled person with blood/brains oozing out of their head crossed the line. A jury should have very little problem convicting him.

He'll probably get shanked in prison for being an asshole.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The second you decide to make an attempt at me, is the second that you be come free game. Adrenaline, temporary anger, etc... I'd have done a lot worse.

Those sitting armchairs siting "murder" are idiots, I bet most of you have never encounter any situation more exciting than getting shot at in CounterStrike.

The line is the sand is pretty damn obvious to most people.

If the pharmacist wanted to empty an entire clip in one-go at the robber, he's in the clear. Even a little hesitation between shots is fine.

Going away from the scene, returning, grabbing another gun, then executing a completely disabled person with blood/brains oozing out of their head crossed the line. A jury should have very little problem convicting him.

He'll probably get shanked in prison for being an asshole.

He was doing society a favor, and should be commended. But, I understand you'd want that individual that got shot at to "rehabilitate" through our superb justice system, so he'd have a chance to raise a decent family that wouldn't rely on public assistance...

I know that's a huge hyperbole, but that's what the bleeding hearts want to believe. Give me a freaking break, if you're a decent human being, you'd NEVER be shot at for attempting to commit robbery. The bottom line is, the robber was willing to commit a crime (and possibly take the pharmacist's life)... oh wait, now you're gonna argue "That wasn't their intention"... I'd say to the pharmacist "Hey man, nice shots".

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Even Gerlado Rivera disagrees with the Murder charger.

Manslaughter or negligent homicide is what this guy should have been accused of.

This guy was definitely not in the right frame of mind - much like a drunk driver is rarely convicted of murder - only manslughter.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The second you decide to make an attempt at me, is the second that you be come free game. Adrenaline, temporary anger, etc... I'd have done a lot worse.

Those sitting armchairs siting "murder" are idiots, I bet most of you have never encounter any situation more exciting than getting shot at in CounterStrike.

The line is the sand is pretty damn obvious to most people.

If the pharmacist wanted to empty an entire clip in one-go at the robber, he's in the clear. Even a little hesitation between shots is fine.

Going away from the scene, returning, grabbing another gun, then executing a completely disabled person with blood/brains oozing out of their head crossed the line. A jury should have very little problem convicting him.

He'll probably get shanked in prison for being an asshole.

What is the difference between grabbing another gun and grabbing another magazine to continue shooting? Cops reload and continue firing all the time (yes, even after the person is no longer a threat).

 

[Raduque]

Ah, bullshit! The charges are bullshit. I see no problem with him completing the removal of a would-be career criminal from life. Guy deserves an acquittal and a medal.

Maybe, just maybe, if more store owners were allowed to do things like this to robbers, less people would think about robbing stores.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: SSSnail
The second you decide to make an attempt at me, is the second that you be come free game. Adrenaline, temporary anger, etc... I'd have done a lot worse.

Those sitting armchairs siting "murder" are idiots, I bet most of you have never encounter any situation more exciting than getting shot at in CounterStrike.

The line is the sand is pretty damn obvious to most people.

If the pharmacist wanted to empty an entire clip in one-go at the robber, he's in the clear. Even a little hesitation between shots is fine.

Going away from the scene, returning, grabbing another gun, then executing a completely disabled person with blood/brains oozing out of their head crossed the line. A jury should have very little problem convicting him.

He'll probably get shanked in prison for being an asshole.

He was doing society a favor, and should be commended. But, I understand you'd want that individual that got shot at to "rehabilitate" through our superb justice system, so he'd have a chance to raise a decent family that wouldn't rely on public assistance...

I know that's a huge hyperbole, but that's what the bleeding hearts want to believe. Give me a freaking break, if you're a decent human being, you'd NEVER be shot at for attempting to commit robbery. The bottom line is, the robber was willing to commit a crime (and possibly take the pharmacist's life)... oh wait, now you're gonna argue "That wasn't their intention"... I'd say to the pharmacist "Hey man, nice shots".

I use to have that kind of belief system, where criminals deserve anything and everything they get.

But, as much as I hate agreeing with jpeyton, in this situation, it's pretty clear. There is always a fine line between what is legal and what is immoral/illegal in the use of potentially lethal defense.

Firing more rounds, after allowing time to pass after the first shot, into an already incapacitated individual, is wrong. I don't care what the person may be guilty of, if he's out for the count, you can't decide to go get a different weapon and fire more rounds into the guy.

Sure, it's tough wanting to let a criminal go, escape alive or in custody, however... citizens cannot legally be vigilantes. It can't be that way, period. To argue in favor of such a justice system is simply wrong. Like I said, I used to think like that, but then I started realizing, you have to express some morality and a level-head in all situations. There will be times when you can get away with certain things, and people will. Doesn't make it right.

And sure, there's the argument of "well the criminal was doing some wrong, who cares if I counter that with a wrong". But it's flawed and is no way to run a society. Allowing that kind of practice is just going to lead to more trouble as every would-be vigilante starts killing people who pick-pocketed them.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: bonkers325
the first shot can be labeled as self-defense

the other 5 shots can be proven as pre-meditated and with murderous intent

 

[MrMatt]

Originally posted by: Ns1
yeah I still don't feel bad. Robber deserved every single bullet.


can't he plead temporary insanity like everybody else lol

exactly. The guy was probably so amped up. How many people have EVER been in a situation like that in their lives? Who are we to judge this guy who was in a life and death situation and probably raging with adrenaline. When you break into somewhere or threaten, or attempt to hurt someone it's not, "OK, I'm going to try to rape/kill/strip you of your rights...but if you fight back against me, I still have all my rights and you have to stop defending yourself at some point". It's "OK, I'm going to try to rape/kill/strip you of your rights, and you might end up killing me defending yourself, and if that happens, then I asked for it".