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Pharm companies sued because doctors misused drugs?

It's always someone elses fault...especially if that someone has deep pockets...liberal utopia
 
I thought those vials are intended to be reusable - with new syringes.. It seems like the only way for hep c transfer is if someone is double dipping in the propofal..
 
uclaLabrat said:
About as retarded as Corwin's post. Hurting big pharma when they did nothing wrong is just stupid.
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Did they do anything wrong in this specific incident? Nope, and I don't give a fuck. The industry is garbage and anything that hurts them is fine with me.
 
rivan said:
Eh.... 🙄
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You know what I'm talking about...I swear all these frivilous "blame it on someone else" bullshit lawsuits started with that bitch who burned herself with McD coffee in California, leading the way in liberal crap for all of eternity🙄
 
rudder said:
Yeh.. because they would never let those costs be absorbed through higher prices to consumers.
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Yep, unfortunately. Luckily for me I haven't taken any kind of medication (save for an aspirin here in the office, for free) so the costs aren't relevant to me.
 
I routinely order medications (for goats) in large bottles. *ALL* routine vaccinations for them come in 50ml or larger sizes, with dosages on the order of 2ml. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* for me to spread diseases from goat to goat, because I don't reuse the needles. The *ONLY* possible way for disease to be spread via these larger bottles is for doctors and anesthesiologists to completely ignore one of the most basic rules for sterility. What kind of morons are they? And, what kind of morons were on the jury (edit: never mind, for some reason, the drug companies couldn't point this out?!)

WTF?! This will be turned over during the appeal.
 
SpatiallyAware said:
I thought those vials are intended to be reusable - with new syringes.. It seems like the only way for hep c transfer is if someone is double dipping in the propofal..
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Medical professionals should know not to reuse items like syringes. Our clinic reuses certain stainless steel devices, but they are put in a pressurized oven and heated to something like 200 - 220 degrees for a couple of hours.

But to reuse a syringe? That is taught in high school health classes.
 
if, when doing an application FMEA, they didn't include this as a potential hazard, is that how they would get nailed? or did they underestimate the occurence or severity leading to this such that they didn't define any measures to mitigate it?

Outside of a regulatory loophole on safety (which is where an afmea would probably come into play), i can't see how they'd get nailed. And this seems to be just that given that its coming down to a labeling issue. I wonder if everything is written on the IFU/DFU? How many labels does it ultimately need? If the information was written on the IFU, should they *doctors) have read it? Legally they are supposed to...but we all know how people are very attentive to instructions on paper...

I'm sure they (both sides) probably combed through this all and investigated it, and found one small spot that exposed them legally.
 
corwin said:
You know what I'm talking about...I swear all these frivilous "blame it on someone else" bullshit lawsuits started with that bitch who burned herself with McD coffee in California, leading the way in liberal crap for all of eternity🙄
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This isn't P&N, so if you'd like to have a conversation about this we can take it to PMs. I'm not bothered if you don't - I'll just say that the "liberal = no personal responsibility" equation is one of a gazillion overgeneralizations meant to polarize people into voting for one guy over another.

It's a myopic, intellectually lazy way to think in my opinion, and using it does nothing to make the situation better.
 
Beev said:
Yep, unfortunately. Luckily for me I haven't taken any kind of medication (save for an aspirin here in the office, for free) so the costs aren't relevant to me.
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Sounds great! I'm sure that will last until you're 80 and get struck by lightning so you can shuffle off this mortal coil without ever benefiting from the evil pharma industry!
 
uclaLabrat said:
Sounds great! I'm sure that will last until you're 80 and get struck by lightning so you can shuffle off this mortal coil without ever benefiting from the evil pharma industry!
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That would be pretty damn badass...

I sort of hope our world is a bit different when I'm 80, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
 
DrPizza said:
I routinely order medications (for goats) in large bottles. *ALL* routine vaccinations for them come in 50ml or larger sizes, with dosages on the order of 2ml. It is *IMPOSSIBLE* for me to spread diseases from goat to goat, because I don't reuse the needles. The *ONLY* possible way for disease to be spread via these larger bottles is for doctors and anesthesiologists to completely ignore one of the most basic rules for sterility. What kind of morons are they? And, what kind of morons were on the jury (edit: never mind, for some reason, the drug companies couldn't point this out?!)

WTF?! This will be turned over during the appeal.
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For civil trials it only requires a preponderance of evidence. Chances are if you take someone to court for a civil trial, then you'll win.
 
uclaLabrat said:
http://news.yahoo.com/drug-firms-told-pay-162m-hepatitis-c-case-215236618.html

Am I reading this right? The companies had to pay because the lawyers say the company sold the drug in larger vials then necessary, and thus the doctors cheaped out and re-used medication, thus exposing patients to Hep C?

How in any way, shape, or form are the companies liable for this? I hate our legal system.
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Plaintiffs' attorneys argued that propofol used to be distributed in smaller containers and that Teva et al abandoned them in favor of larger vials for profit reasons and encouraged their reuse. That was negligent on their part.

The case could be made that the doctors are at fault for shoddy practices. That's why they all face criminal charges in the matter.
 
Anarchist420 said:
For civil trials it only requires a preponderance of evidence. Chances are if you take someone to court for a civil trial, then you'll win.
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This should never have won. There are dozens... hundreds... of medications that come in much larger than 1 dose vials. i.e. flu vaccine. Multiple vaccinations from one vial - you just don't reuse needles.
 
This will get appealed and a court will reduce the award dramatically. Funny how that always happens, but it never gets into the news.

corwin said:
You know what I'm talking about...I swear all these frivilous "blame it on someone else" bullshit lawsuits started with that bitch who burned herself with McD coffee in California, leading the way in liberal crap for all of eternity🙄
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You are a fucking idiot who doesn't know anything about politics.
 
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Beev said:
Did they do anything wrong in this specific incident? Nope, and I don't give a fuck. The industry is garbage and anything that hurts them is fine with me.
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What an asshole......

anyway, how the FFFF can they pin this on pharma? The doctors were negligent, no? If I put together a desk(per instructions), and then stub my toe and break my big one..... who's fault is that? The manufacturer of the table, or me for being a freakin clumsy fuck? or even a wall in my house for that matter..... there isn't a warning label on it so how could i know i shouldn't kick it barefoot.????
 
sactoking said:
Plaintiffs' attorneys argued that propofol used to be distributed in smaller containers and that Teva et al abandoned them in favor of larger vials for profit reasons and encouraged their reuse. That was negligent on their part.

The case could be made that the doctors are at fault for shoddy practices. That's why they all face criminal charges in the matter.
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Thanks for at least pointing out a quasi-rational argument. I have no idea if vial reuse is common (it seems to be par for the course according to Dr. Pizza) but yeah, I still don't see how the Doc's negligence gets transferred to the companies.
 
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