PFC Bradley Manning pleads guilty in WikiLeaks case (no plea bargain), facing 20 yrs

[glenn1]

See ya' later dumbass. Hope your little snit fit tirade was worth the 2 decades in the slammer, plus whatever more time you'll get on the other counts on which you're still facing court martial. That's a lot of time to think about how releasing a bunch of mildly embarrassing but otherwise irrelevant documents did nothing except show how much of a loser you are; influencing neither the war, diplomacy, or senior government policy makers.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/soldier-leaks-meant-enlighten-us-policy-18620188

 

[Anarchist420]

That's a shame he may do time.

 

[Printer Bandit]

can he do community service at the local VA hospital?

 

[Moonbeam]

Rather extreme in you need to punish meaningless crimes, wouldn't you say? You realize, I hope, that all the hate you show for this non-conformist, is the hate that was applied to you as a child to conform.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Rather extreme in you need to punish meaningless crimes, wouldn't you say? You realize, I hope, that all the hate you show for this non-conformist, is the hate that was applied to you as a child to conform.

Who makes the determination that the crime was meaningless?
Bradley manning thought that it had enough meaning to do it.
What happened had enough meaning/consequences that the system knew that it should not be ignored.
Both end felt meaning in the crime.

 

[Moonbeam]

Who makes the determination that the crime was meaningless?
Bradley manning thought that it had enough meaning to do it.
What happened had enough meaning/consequences that the system knew that it should not be ignored.
Both end felt meaning in the crime.

glenn1 did. He was so full of gloating hatred that he wanted to emphasize how long he would pay for having done so little of consequence. The normal procedure, as far as I know, is to set the sentence to the seriousness of the crime, not go nah nah nah nah you are going to rot forever for doing nothing.

 

[rudder]

Rather extreme in you need to punish meaningless crimes, wouldn't you say? You realize, I hope, that all the hate you show for this non-conformist, is the hate that was applied to you as a child to conform.

Pvt manning joined the army of his own free will. In doing so he signed a contract and swore an oath. To some posters here his acts may not constitute any crime. In the eyes of the military he committed a serious crime. He was lucky he was not executed.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

See ya' later dumbass. Hope your little snit fit tirade was worth the 2 decades in the slammer, plus whatever more time you'll get on the other counts on which you're still facing court martial. That's a lot of time to think about how releasing a bunch of mildly embarrassing but otherwise irrelevant documents did nothing except show how much of a loser you are; influencing neither the war, diplomacy, or senior government policy makers.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/soldier-leaks-meant-enlighten-us-policy-18620188

Wow so much hatred in this post....why am I not surprised?

So you admit that nothing really bad was released, you don't deny that what was released showed that our government knowingly lied to us, but you are glad he is going to jail. Can we say 100% pro-authoritarian?

Do you support arresting and charging all the military and government officials that have commented on all sorts of other classified programs?

You know, like the drone program which the government still legally refuses to admit to? Or any other number of anonymous leaks that come out support government positions? Are you so bigoted you give those a pass?

What do you think about the fact that his information showed that the government knowingly lied to us? I guess that's perfectly OK to you?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

What happened embarrassed the government enough that the government knew that an example had to be made to discourage others.

Fixed for accuracy.

The government has a well known history of only prosecuting those who make them look bad, while giving a pass to anyone leaking anything that makes them look good.

 

[Anarchist420]

Can we say 100% pro-authoritarian?

Yes. However, I prefer the term "classic authoritarian".

 

[Moonbeam]

Pvt manning joined the army of his own free will. In doing so he signed a contract and swore an oath. To some posters here his acts may not constitute any crime. In the eyes of the military he committed a serious crime. He was lucky he was not executed.

rudder, whenever the idea of punishing somebody comes up, the punisher always thinks to himself that the other person is guilty by their own free will. That is because you want to erect a barrier between yourself and your hatred. You want to feel justified to feel what you feel. In this you have no more free will than a train to make a left turn wherever it wishes. You can't have free will and be unconscious of your motivations. And the only reason he was lucky to not get the death penalty is because he was unlucky to be born into a civilization of barbarians who still practice it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

glenn1 did. He was so full of gloating hatred that he wanted to emphasize how long he would pay for having done so little of consequence. The normal procedure, as far as I know, is to set the sentence to the seriousness of the crime, not go nah nah nah nah you are going to rot forever for doing nothing.

What the crime accomplished may have been little to some.

The fact that a person released classified information is serious.
Manning had known of what he was releasing; names/identities/details being released within a classified report can lead to someones death.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Looks like Manning will be in Leavenworth for quite some time to come. He knew that he was violating articles of the UCMJ and would be held accountable if caught. I certainly hope he feels it was worth what the price he will pay for his actions.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

What the crime accomplished may have been little to some.

The fact that a person released classified information is serious.
Manning had know real idea of what he was releasing; names/identities/details being released within a classified report can lead to someones death.

So where is your faux moral outrage for all of those government and military members that leak pro-US information? Yo uknow, all the secret leaks saying how great the drone program is? How the CIA got Bin Laden? And thousands of others "anonymous" leaks to promote whatever the government wants promoted?

Funny how you save your faux outrage for only those that embarrass the US. Talk about double standards.

 

[wetech]

So where is your faux moral outrage for all of those government and military members that leak pro-US information? Yo uknow, all the secret leaks saying how great the drone program is? How the CIA got Bin Laden? And thousands of others "anonymous" leaks to promote whatever the government wants promoted?

Funny how you save your faux outrage for only those that embarrass the US. Talk about double standards.

isn't the administration doing all of that leaking? I'm pretty sure people are on the same side of the fence on that issue as this one.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So where is your faux moral outrage for all of those government and military members that leak pro-US information? Yo uknow, all the secret leaks saying how great the drone program is? How the CIA got Bin Laden? And thousands of others "anonymous" leaks to promote whatever the government wants promoted?

Funny how you save your faux outrage for only those that embarrass the US. Talk about double standards.

Classified information is that: CLASSIFIED.

It should not be released until properly declassified.

Those that release it should be held accountable by prison and loss of clearances.

One can say how great a program is. One should not reveal technical/operational specs of such that would allow the program to be neutralized.

Some people think themselves above such conditions. Many are politicians/aides :thumbsdown:

 

[Moonbeam]

EagleKeeper: What the crime accomplished may have been little to some.

M: To the OP by his account.

EK: The fact that a person released classified information is serious.

M: It's serious by legal definition, I am sure.

EK: Manning had know real idea of what he was releasing; names/identities/details being released within a classified report can lead to someones death.

M: What are we to charge him with then, that he released information that did lead to somebody's death, or that it didn't but might have, or that he was a whistle blowing hero who had to make a tough choice of conscience? In all the time he was imprisoned do you know what was done to him. Did he confess by choice? So many questions we can ask, and so many so certain or thoughtless about the answers. Any idea why?

 

[Puddle Jumper]

20 years does not seem unreasonably harsh for treason.

 

[Drako]

Well, he could have gotten death, but I guess they don't do that anymore. Treason used to garner a lot stiffer penalties.

 

[Jaskalas]

Revealing the identities of our supporters in active theaters of war is treason. PFC Bradley Manning should be executed.

This is aside from the need to prosecute anyone who mistreated him along the way.

 

[lotus503]

MIC 1 - Public actually understanding what the government does 0

 

[Moonbeam]

Revealing the identities of our supporters in active theaters of war is treason. PFC Bradley Manning should be executed.

This is aside from the need to prosecute anyone who mistreated him along the way.

What if the justification for the war is all lies?

 

[Jaskalas]

What if the justification for the war is all lies?

Maybe you should recall that the documents included Afghanistan. Do you care to reconsider your question?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

20 years does not seem unreasonably harsh for treason.

That for pleading guilty to 10 charges, the prosecution is still pursuing an additional 12 charges.

Bradley Manning, 25, pleaded guilty Thursday at a military hearing at Fort Meade, Md., to 10 charges that could carry a maximum sentence of 20 years. Prosecutors plan to pursue 12 more charges against him at court-martial, including a charge of aiding the enemy that carries a potential life sentence.

 

[EagleKeeper]

EagleKeeper: What the crime accomplished may have been little to some.

M: To the OP by his account.

EK: The fact that a person released classified information is serious.

M: It's serious by legal definition, I am sure.

EK: Manning had know real idea of what he was releasing; names/identities/details being released within a classified report can lead to someones death.

M: What are we to charge him with then, that he released information that did lead to somebody's death, or that it didn't but might have, or that he was a whistle blowing hero who had to make a tough choice of conscience? In all the time he was imprisoned do you know what was done to him. Did he confess by choice? So many questions we can ask, and so many so certain or thoughtless about the answers. Any idea why?

the confession matters not.

The fact that he broke his word and released classified documents is the issue from my POV.

He knew in advance he was doing something wrong.

The government had the evidence; pleading guilty may prevent a longer sentence than what he received.

What if the justification for the war is all lies?

If his release of data creates another death - he is alone responsible for that one.


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