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Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: FrodoB
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: FrodoB
This is exactly why the left is so dangerous. The defense of this country should NEVER be based on world opinion. This article is garbage.
How so? The world supported our war on terror. They were behind us 110%. We only lost their support when Bush-lite abandoned the WoT for his little adventure in Iraq. The world did NOT support that, and rightly so.

Iraq was not a threat to America. Therefore, your statement, "The defense of this country ..." is irrelevant.
Really? Saddam's regime had given sanctuary to terrorists in the past. He financially supported Palestinian suicide bomber families. This obviously worsens a situation that is one of the driving forces behind many terrorists. The full scope of his wmd program is still unknown. It was a good thing he was taken out. Also, creating a democracy in Iraq will be a huge blow to Islamic terrorists.
He was still a destabilization force in this world. The world, including the U.S. , is much better off without him.
Funny how "the world" didn't seem to agree with your opinion about the merits of invading Iraq. Iraq was simply not a threat to the U.S. Iraq was not about defending America.

By the way, you ignored the point. The world supported us fully when we focused on terrorism. We lost their support when Bush detoured from terrorism to invade Iraq.
 

FrodoB

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: FrodoB
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: FrodoB
This is exactly why the left is so dangerous. The defense of this country should NEVER be based on world opinion. This article is garbage.
How so? The world supported our war on terror. They were behind us 110%. We only lost their support when Bush-lite abandoned the WoT for his little adventure in Iraq. The world did NOT support that, and rightly so.

Iraq was not a threat to America. Therefore, your statement, "The defense of this country ..." is irrelevant.
Really? Saddam's regime had given sanctuary to terrorists in the past. He financially supported Palestinian suicide bomber families. This obviously worsens a situation that is one of the driving forces behind many terrorists. The full scope of his wmd program is still unknown. It was a good thing he was taken out. Also, creating a democracy in Iraq will be a huge blow to Islamic terrorists.
He was still a destabilization force in this world. The world, including the U.S. , is much better off without him.
Funny how "the world" didn't seem to agree with your opinion about the merits of invading Iraq. Iraq was simply not a threat to the U.S. Iraq was not about defending America.

By the way, you ignored the point. The world supported us fully when we focused on terrorism. We lost their support when Bush detoured from terrorism to invade Iraq.


Give examples of how other countries aren't sharing intelligence info with us anymore? That's right, you can't do that.
Just face it, the foreign policy of the left has been a disaster since the '70s. Jimmy Carter was incompetent. Bill Clinton set a precedent of weakness in dealing with terrorim. Good things happen when Repulicans are in power. Reagan defeated the Soviet empire. Bush senior prevented Saddam from controlling the Middle East. Bush junior finished off Saddam and has destroyed much of Al Queda.
 

chess9

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FrodoB:

You'd better get to the doctor. That fever is just terrible and your mouth is dribbling nonsense all over the page. 1000 mg of Zyprexa per day for the next 20 years is all you need.

-Robert
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Witling
This kind of stupid statement by Etech comes out every time we have a national disagreement about policy. The stupid statement is: "It does appear that Al Queda is winning. I'm sure they appreciate your support." Hey, Etech. If I can't express my opinion, they've already won.

:beer::D
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: FrodoB

Give examples of how other countries aren't sharing intelligence info with us anymore? That's right, you can't do that.
Just face it, the foreign policy of the left has been a disaster since the '70s. Jimmy Carter was incompetent. Bill Clinton set a precedent of weakness in dealing with terrorim. Good things happen when Repulicans are in power. Reagan defeated the Soviet empire. Bush senior prevented Saddam from controlling the Middle East. Bush junior finished off Saddam and has destroyed much of Al Queda.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0520-02.htm

LONDON - The U.S.-led war on Iraq gave Al Qaeda the opportunity to reinvigorate its weakened terrorist network with new recruits and more funding, say experts on terrorism.

The Iraq war "clearly increased the terrorist impulse," said Jonathan Stevenson, senior fellow for counter-terrorism at London's International Institute for Strategic Studies.

The U.S.-led invasion, at least in the short term, drew more people toward Osama bin Laden's vision of a global clash between Islam and the West, Stevenson said yesterday.

It partly explains the series of co-ordinated, multiple attacks last Tuesday in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, where 34 people died, and on Friday in Casablanca, Morocco, where 41 people, including 13 attackers, were killed by five bomb blasts.

Stevenson believes U.S. President George W. Bush's administration knew full well the war would initially increase support for Al Qaeda. But U.S. officials estimated the long-term impact of setting up a democratic government in Iraq would outweigh the short-term pain of more terror attacks, he said.

Other experts, however, believe that the U.S., and those European countries that supported the war, badly miscalculated.


"The political masters in the U.S. and Europe underestimated the extent to which bin Laden would use the war in Iraq as a propaganda weapon to rejuvenate the movement and attract more funds," said Paul Wilkinson, head of the Center for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St. Andrew's University in Scotland.

"As far as the war against Al Qaeda goes, it possibly has been counterproductive. We face turbulent times ahead," Wilkinson told Sky TV.

U.S. officials partly tried to justify the Iraq war by insisting there were links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's ousted regime ? an assertion most experts continue to believe is unsubstantiated.

By linking the Iraq war with the war on terror, Bush has left himself vulnerable to Americans concluding the invasion was a failure if terrorist attacks continue, said Andrew Garfield, director of the International Center for Security Analysis at King's College in London.

Garfield believes Al Qaeda continues to plan "something big" in the way of an attack in Europe or North America. But police crackdowns and increased security co-operation across borders have foiled attempts to carry out such plans since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States, told reporters in Riyadh yesterday: "There is chatter, a high level of chatter regionally and in other international spots" that something could happen in Saudi Arabia or the United States.

Al Qaeda was always a loose collection of local terrorist groups. But the loss of its training camps and bases in Afghanistan after the U.S.-led war there, as well as the arrests of several top lieutenants, have forced the terrorist network to become even more decentralized, Stevenson said in an interview.

"So while the Al Qaeda leadership has been weakened, the network as a whole has become more elusive than before," he said, adding that responsibility for planning and carrying out attacks rests more than ever with local groups.

Prevented from attacking Western countries, Al Qaeda- linked groups are turning their attention on "soft" targets in countries where they have some popular support, and where security is weak, such as Saudi Arabia and Morocco.

But Morocco said yesterday no connection had yet been established between Al Qaeda and last week's Casablanca attacks.

Stevenson believes Al Qaeda-linked groups will further focus future operations in the Persian Gulf region because of the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.

And Garfield argued the more "preventive wars" the U.S. launches, the more Muslims will feel Al Qaeda is the only choice.

Garfield said this strategy has been used successfully by groups such as Hamas during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The more Israel fights against Hamas suicide bombers by clamping down on the occupied Palestinian territories, the more ordinary Palestinians believe violence is the only alternative.

That means the U.S. must seriously work to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which fuels Arab anger throughout the Middle East and help alleviate poverty, he said.

That last part is the crux of the jihad against the West.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: FrodoB
Give examples of how other countries aren't sharing intelligence info with us anymore? That's right, you can't do that.
Give examples of where I made that claim. That's right, you can't do that.
rolleye.gif



Just face it, the foreign policy of the left has been a disaster since the '70s. Jimmy Carter was incompetent. Bill Clinton set a precedent of weakness in dealing with terrorim. Good things happen when Repulicans are in power. Reagan defeated the Soviet empire. Bush senior prevented Saddam from controlling the Middle East. Bush junior finished off Saddam and has destroyed much of Al Queda.
Thanks for sharing your opinions. They're ill-informed, Bush party-line nonsense, but they're uniquely yours (except for the tens of millions of other Bush apologists who get their education from Rush Limbaugh, Faux "News", and George's campaign newsletters).
 

arsbanned

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Conjur:

You get all of today's GOOGLE POINTS.

Nice post.

-Robert



Yes, it's nice to see someone using actual evidence, links and thoughtful analysis to construct a post.
*thumbs up*
Maybe the neo-cons will catch on? Hmmm.

Reagan was senile for most of his presidency and fed lines by his wife. Bush senior helped keep Saddam in power and Bush junior squandered all the good will the rest of the World had for us after 9/11 and has utterly failed to do anything but help the terrorist recruiters...

Fixed that for you. ;)
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG

Way to steal my line dude... :disgust:
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG
Hey, everybody, a big round of applause for Sir CAD!!!!! For the first time in his life, he actually quoted me accurately. Way to go, CAD!!!

I guess you decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG

Go back to your own circle-jerks. You have several from which to choose.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG

Way to steal my line dude... :disgust:

Actually I copied it from Bow's post from earlier tonight. Talk to him if your panties are all bunched up;)

CkG
 

chess9

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MonstaThrilla:

Don't mind Frodo's hare-brained ideas, they move out of the way very quickly. :)

-Robert
 

Bowfinger

Lifer
Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG
Hey, everybody, a big round of applause for Sir CAD!!!!! For the first time in his life, he actually quoted me accurately. Way to go, CAD!!!

I guess you decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Cad's little cut-n-paste generated so many immediate responses, I wanted to be sure you all saw this so you can congratulate him. It's a major breakthrough for him, and he deserves appropriate recognition for it.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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www.ShawCAD.com
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG
Hey, everybody, a big round of applause for Sir CAD!!!!! For the first time in his life, he actually quoted me accurately. Way to go, CAD!!!

I guess you decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Cad's little cut-n-paste generated so many immediate responses, I wanted to be sure you all saw this so you can congratulate him. It's a major breakthrough for him, and he deserves appropriate recognition for it.

Yep - I quoted it exactly like you had it. Just like I have done in other threads. Now if you are done jerking yourself off - you best get back to the others -they are lonely for you.

CkG
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ooops. Excuse me. :eek: I'm sorry. I didn't realize you guys were in here stroking each other. :eek: Really sorry, I'll close the door behind me.

rolleye.gif


:p

CkG
Hey, everybody, a big round of applause for Sir CAD!!!!! For the first time in his life, he actually quoted me accurately. Way to go, CAD!!!

I guess you decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Cad's little cut-n-paste generated so many immediate responses, I wanted to be sure you all saw this so you can congratulate him. It's a major breakthrough for him, and he deserves appropriate recognition for it.

Yep - I quoted it exactly like you had it. Just like I have done in other threads. Now if you are done jerking yourself off - you best get back to the others -they are lonely for you.

CkG

I've just realized what a sausage fest this place is. I'm out!
 

etech

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Originally posted by: Witling
This kind of stupid statement by Etech comes out every time we have a national disagreement about policy. The stupid statement is:

"It does appear that Al Queda is winning.
I'm sure they appreciate your support."

Hey, Etech. If I can't express my opinion, they've already won.

Whitling,

A challenge to you.

Find the post where I said that statement before. If you can't, STFU.

 

etech

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Originally posted by: Witling
This kind of stupid statement by Etech comes out every time we have a national disagreement about policy. The stupid statement is:

"It does appear that Al Queda is winning.
I'm sure they appreciate your support."

Hey, Etech. If I can't express my opinion, they've already won.

Whitling,

A challenge to you.

Find the post where I said that statement before. If you can't, STFU.

 

etech

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: FrodoB
This is exactly why the left is so dangerous. The defense of this country should NEVER be based on world opinion. This article is garbage.

Yep and many Emporers, Dictators etc have said the same thing as they went down.

Really, which ones? A reference would be nice.

 

FrodoB

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: FrodoB
Give examples of how other countries aren't sharing intelligence info with us anymore? That's right, you can't do that.
Give examples of where I made that claim. That's right, you can't do that.
rolleye.gif



Just face it, the foreign policy of the left has been a disaster since the '70s. Jimmy Carter was incompetent. Bill Clinton set a precedent of weakness in dealing with terrorim. Good things happen when Repulicans are in power. Reagan defeated the Soviet empire. Bush senior prevented Saddam from controlling the Middle East. Bush junior finished off Saddam and has destroyed much of Al Queda.
Thanks for sharing your opinions. They're ill-informed, Bush party-line nonsense, but they're uniquely yours (except for the tens of millions of other Bush apologists who get their education from Rush Limbaugh, Faux "News", and George's campaign newsletters).


You claim that the world no longer supports us. I am asking you to provide examples of that. You can't. If the world no longer supported us and the war on terror, there would be an end to sharing intelligence and other valuable information. That has not happened.

I will repeat.... the left is DESTRUCTIVE in their appeasement of evil. Recent history 100% validates this truth. The left is unable to lead this country in the war against terror.
 

Witling

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Etech, your entire message and the time stamp appears below. Just roll back through this thread until you get to the right time. Should that prove to challenging for you, you said that in the third post to this thread. Does this mean you'll STFU? As they often say on this board, are you on drugs?

03/16/2004 3:47 PM (NEW!)


It does appear that Al Queda is winning.

I'm sure they appreciate your support.
 

AnImuS

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it would of been cheaper and a better solution to protect our boarders like the soviets did with berlin. And then begin to track illegals and start sending them back home. that way we can just let the other nations continue to support terrorist in their own ways. without having to invade countries and cause more casualities. the majority of the world already hates us. countries will continue to communicate with us aslong as we have a stronger dollar.

:)