Petraeus Report

[Gand1]

I cant find the exact link but General Petraus said the "surge" has worked militarily and tha troop levels can start to be reduced.

I think this should make people happy on both side of the isle... granted we cant get our troops home as quick as we want but there is signs of less violence, hence the reduction of the surge troops. He also commented that he cant tell when a greater reduction of troops will happen until summer of next year....

THis stupid war is costing us waaay too much and I dont agree with it at all but at least we have Petraeus finally getting something done and, I think, telling us the truth about what is going on. I think the light at the end of the tunnel has finally come over the horizon!

Todays discussion in congress

 

[lozina]

I was surprised how little he said using so many words

 

[CADsortaGUY]

They are waiting for their new chants to be emailed to them by MoveOn.org.

Oh, and I think most here tired of the subject due to it being fought a month in advance of the actual report(another MoveOn.org move).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There was nothing surprising that the General said. Today expect more of the same. The Ambassador starting talking about decades needed for the US to emerge as it is. Considering that Iraq is a far more contentious place we're looking at maybe a 50 year commitment.

 

[piasabird]

Out of respect for 9/11 maybe they are afraid to say too much.

 

[Red Dawn]

We reduce the troops the violence will go up, we surge again and the violence will go down, we reduce the troops again and the violence will go up again. Seems like a military Chinese fire drill. Too bad the Iraqi Troops are worthless cause they should be the ones doing the fighting not our boys.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Out of respect for 9/11 maybe they are afraid to say too much.

If they had any "real" good news instead of their usual regurgitated crap I suspect you couldn't shut them up.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
They are waiting for their new chants to be emailed to them by MoveOn.org.

Oh, and I think most here tired of the subject due to it being fought a month in advance of the actual report(another MoveOn.org move).

I rallied to get you back in here? You are sadly just a shell of your old posting self.

 

[ProfJohn]

Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

The progress made is by the American troops not the Iraqi Government and their troops. Our progress doesn't mean squat if the Iraqi's aren't going to do their part. It just seems like a colossal waste of American lives and money.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Pretty much what was said was that the military surge has been effective, and a change in tactics by the armed services to focus more on how to stop sectarian violence has helped reduce the overall attacks, but that the military successes have been absolutely irrelevant as the Iraqi government has accomplished exactly nothing.

My favorite part of the whole thing came when the chair of the house armed forces committee actually used the phrase "it seems to this country lawyer..." I felt like I was watching an episode of Futurama.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

They want us to lose. Defeat on the battlefield could turn into their socialist utopia here at home.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

Someday I'm going to be a billionaire, things are improving and maybe in another 100 years (if everything goes right) I'll get to that goal. Maybe, but things are improving.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

They want us to lose. Defeat on the battlefield could turn into their socialist utopia here at home.

Defeat on the battlefeild? The Iraqi insurgents and the old Loyalists haven't won one battle, we kick their ass every time they engage us yet it really doesn't seem to be doing any good. If the Iraqi government and the Iraqis themselves aren't going to do their part it's futile!

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

I totally disagree. Only a part of what you dismiss as the anti war movement want immediate and total withdrawal. Most of us just want to get some sort of diplomatic settlement involving the international community the decider has decided not to even work on. Options already outlined by the Baker Hamilton report

There are a huge range of options for Iraq and the question is why is the US only using the most stupid strategies that are already proven failures?

 

[dahunan]

Did this guy really give the report on September 11th? Another way to tie Iraq to 9/11?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

They want us to lose. Defeat on the battlefield could turn into their socialist utopia here at home.

Pst brainiac, we already won the war on the battlefield some years ago. But don't let that trip up your poop flinging. How about those Iraqis starting to stand up and police their own country.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

They want us to lose. Defeat on the battlefield could turn into their socialist utopia here at home.

Defeat on the battlefeild? The Iraqi insurgents and the old Loyalists haven't won one battle, we kick their ass every time they engage us yet it really doesn't seem to be doing any good. If the Iraqi government and the Iraqis themselves aren't going to do their part it's futile!

Don't interfere with his paranoid delusions. He is one of the type who thinks that if you don't support the Iraq mission, that you're an unpatriotic anti-war socialist. Which sucks for him, because there are many like me, classically conservative, in favor of the Afghani mission (along with SpecOps usage in Pakistan), but don't see the point of wasting American lives in Iraq, where even 50 years of our presence would never establish stability. The very presence of our troops there rather INVITES instability, no? I guess I must want a socialist utopia, even though I'm for abolishing many redundant or counterproductive government agencies, increasing our border security, and maintaining a world-leading military. Bah.

PJ, Sinsear, all these ilk think only 'if you're not with us, you're against us' in every aspect of policy. Someday they might grow up and think more deeply about things, instead of spamming out party talking points like they were gospel, and railing against any dissent against madness and the horribly unjust wasted sacrifice of our nation's finest.

 

[ProfJohn]

Lemon? get a clue on this ?diplomatic solution? BS.

We can?t even get a decent multi-national force into Afghanistan and that is the war everyone agrees with.

After the Hezbollah-Israeli war they had a hard time getting a multi-national force to step in there and patrol the boarder.

As long as people are dying in large numbers there is no country in the world that is willing to send troops into Iraq.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Lemon? get a clue on this ?diplomatic solution? BS.

We can?t even get a decent multi-national force into Afghanistan and that is the war everyone agrees with.

After the Hezbollah-Israeli war they had a hard time getting a multi-national force to step in there and patrol the boarder.

As long as people are dying in large numbers there is no country in the world that is willing to send troops into Iraq.

I'm pretty sure Iran would volunteer easily. Besides, if we do withdraw, it probably won't take very long for a singular strongman to take control of the whole country, probably Shia this time instead of Sunni, but that's the way the cookie crumbles since we ousted a Secular warlord. Saddam was one evil bastard, but his brand of utter brutality is the only thing that those people respect on the whole.

I'm bookmarking this post. I guarantee you in 5 years that Iraq will still be a damned awful mess, with or without us.

 

[StageLeft]

I cant find the exact link but General Petraus said the "surge" has worked militarily and tha troop levels can start to be reduced.

Since 70% of those who live in surging areas don't agree with this, why would one believe Patraeus' assessment vs those who live there?

Did this guy really give the report on September 11th? Another way to tie Iraq to 9/11?

Sure, since Saddam had a final supper before each of the hijackers went off, it only makes sense.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Nothing short of a total withdraw will make the anti-war crowd happy.

As we have seen on here in thread after thread:
There is no such thing as progress in Iraq. You can have a NY Times editorial, multiple Democrat congressman and Senators and even Katie Curic say that things are improving and they will just ignore them all and look for anything they can to prove otherwise.

They want us to lose. Defeat on the battlefield could turn into their socialist utopia here at home.

Wow, is this just more useless dirty nationalist BS or what? Does your kind of people really think like this every day? Do you really think anti-war people are bad, evil, America hating terrorist sympathizers?

There are a couple main points as to why certain people, myself included, hate war. Especially this fake "war" (fake due to the lack of a declaration). One of these main reasons is because our soldiers are dying for little good reason.

How would you like if I said you pro-war people hated our troops and enjoyed seeing them die for your own imperialistic views? You hate our troops, you want them to loose. You want them to die so we have more reason to stay in the fight and and so that companies get more profit from the war.

That's not what you think, though, now is it? That would be disgustingly unfair and hateful for me to say that. I'm pretty sure, even though I think you're 100% wrong with the way to go about it, that you want what is best for people as a whole.

So... My point? Stop calling us anti-war people "American troop hating socialists". It's pig-headed, nationalistic, and completely untrue. It reeks of blind patriotism, and shows how much your vote is truly worth in this country.

 

[tweaker2]

the "patraeus" report is nothing more than the same 'ol drivel we've been hearing time after time after time from the bush admin. it's the exact same script being used over and over again. and it's all meant to do the same thing: buying time to keep this monstrosity of an occupation going just the way it has been going for all the years we've been there.

i guess that's what happens when they start off with a big lie and then have to to keep covering those lies with more layers of lies until their whole focus is being concentrated on manufacturing lies to cover the previous ones, up to the point where they would rather believe their own lies than deal with the stark reality of it all.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Actually, it's not the same old drivel. Anyone making that claim has not and is not actually listening to what the General has to say.

Their loss though, while they continue to repeat their same old broken record drivel of "lie" "lie" "lie" ad nauseam.

 

[tweaker2]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Actually, it's not the same old drivel. Anyone making that claim has not and is not actually listening to what the General has to say.

Their loss though, while they continue to repeat their same old broken record drivel of "lie" "lie" "lie" ad nauseam.

i stand corrected and agree in that it's not the same old drivel; it's been repackaged and the deliveryman is different, but the end result is that the agenda has not changed - not one iota. agreed?

the purpose of the "surge" was and is meant to keep things the way they are. and if it just so happens to improve "certain" aspects of the situation when viewed from a "certain" way then all's good and let's just keep on getting our troops maimed and killed and all for the simple reason that it allows the bush admin. more time for grasping at straws?