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Petition against cutting SS and Medicare

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
As a member of the daily Kos spam-recipients-group I receive petitions every once in a while... But I couldn't disagree with this one more.

https://services.myngp.com/ngponlineservices/petition.aspx?X=Ja5OPsDYzMY%3D

By not means testing SS and Medicare, simply because it's politically the right move, we are just as guilty as the other side is in its refusal to increase taxes on the wealthy and for the same reasons.

I couldn't disagree with this petition more; can anyone justify this kind of political BS?
 
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The passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, more commonly known as Obamacare, cut half a trillion from Medicare. Bernie Sanders voted for it.

It's OK for us to do it, but it's not OK for you to do it. Our nation is being run by people with the mindset of school children.
 
There's no excuse for it. People receiving benefits (including those who have government benefits that far exceed what anyone in the private sector is getting) have to understand that the majority of their countrymen are earning relatively less or are unemployed. Everyone needs to take a cut.
 
I swear if I hear the term "pay their fair share" anymore I think I will be killing someone one... for f^ck sakes, I think it is indisputable the 'rich' pay the vast majority of taxes
 
I swear if I hear the term "pay their fair share" anymore I think I will be killing someone one... for f^ck sakes, I think it is indisputable the 'rich' pay the vast majority of taxes

Because they have the vast majority of income, and own almost all wealth.
 
They should cuit it now, esp for baby boomers. Its baby boomers that voted the last several decades of idiots that blew money and ran up the debt.
 
I swear if I hear the term "pay their fair share" anymore I think I will be killing someone one... for f^ck sakes, I think it is indisputable the 'rich' pay the vast majority of taxes

%-wise they pay nowhere near as much as they need to. Anyone who uses total dollars as a determination for how much the rich should pay is either extremely bad at mathematics or outright dishonest.
 
They should cuit it now, esp for baby boomers. Its baby boomers that voted the last several decades of idiots that blew money and ran up the debt.

I agree. The babyboomers gave themselves an all you can eat buffet and now they are gunning for inflation. Just watch as the babyboomers demand deflation so that their meager wealth is worth more during their retirement years.

Look at dudes like governmentworker777, he wants deflation so his 3 government checks are worth more. The babyboomers are pathetic fuckers.
 
Means test? So what you are saying is that because I work harder than you, I am more successful than you, and I pay more taxes than you my reward is that I get to contribute my whole life into SS and then not get anything all the while having that money denied from my personal investment plan?
 
Means test? So what you are saying is that because I work harder than you, I am more successful than you, and I pay more taxes than you my reward is that I get to contribute my whole life into SS and then not get anything all the while having that money denied from my personal investment plan?
Of course. Surely you realize how taxes work, right? If you end up more successful you've paid more anyway. And if you insist on getting your SS the deficit will get more out of whack and you, as a richer person, will pay more in taxes in the end in any case. You cannot get away from it.

Success is not entirely hard work, of course.

And before you jump down my throat I make a salary that I think should begin to phase out some SS benefits as well. The entire thing needs to be completely torn apart and redone.
 
If you want to reduce SS benefits (or increase contributions) to make up for the fact that what was collected will not cover what was promised, that makes sense (and it looks like it needs to be done based on more recent reports). Otherwise you're just transferring the cost of your benefits to future generations.

If you want to reduce it because otherwise the government will have to pay back the SS trust fund for what it borrowed (pilfered) out of there, that's just completely bullshit. It should be treated no different than any other government debt.

That why I'm happy that the CPP is funded in a separate trust (not just 'funded' with government promises)
 
Means test? So what you are saying is that because I work harder than you, I am more successful than you, and I pay more taxes than you my reward is that I get to contribute my whole life into SS and then not get anything all the while having that money denied from my personal investment plan?
Welcome to liberalism 101.

You just made more because you got lucky anyway...
 
BTW this is why SS should be partially privatized so the people who pay more in will get their money back while the people who make little will still have something to support them through their senior years.
 
Projo can you take a picture of your office?

I want to see how secluded you are. Being able to sit on these forums from dawn to dusk seems like a sweet job.
 
They should cuit it now, esp for baby boomers. Its baby boomers that voted the last several decades of idiots that blew money and ran up the debt.

:thumbs up: +1 QFT ME TOO!


Let GOP gut Medicare. Then use the public reaction to roll in Medicare for all.
A highly likely outcome.

So what you are saying is that because I work harder than you, I am more successful than you, and I pay more taxes than you
I would say you where blessed by God because you where a righteous person that didn't blow all your money on booze and hookers: and everyone else, who is poor, is that way because they just didn't love Jesus enough... But then your christian interest in the poor soul that didn't have Christ in his life should still be in tact, you should still want to help those who are at the mercy of the devil himself, unable to do better in life.

If you're not a christian (or the like), then think of it this way: Who gives a fuck, what's "right" or "wrong" anyway; you're screwed because your the minority who worked harder than everyone else and might makes right.

my reward is that I get to contribute my whole life into SS and then not get anything all
I would say cut $1 in benefits for every $33 someone has saved.

Your fundamental misunderstanding is your assumption that you paid into a program for which money is waiting around for you... you where lied to.

You paid into a ponzi scheme that kept you from having to spend a social security check worth of money (that you saved for retirement) on your good ole mom and dad.

SS is welfare, simple as that. If you are poor and old and can't take care of yourself by working then you should be able to get SS; we should take care of the needy... we should not do the wrong thing for the US today under the guise of rewarding people for having done the right thing in the past by paying a flat-tax on taking care of their own elderly.
 
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Means test? So what you are saying is that because I work harder than you, I am more successful than you,

Oh? That correlates somehow? YOu would have to be pretty naive to believe that.

and I pay more taxes than you my reward is that I get to contribute my whole life into SS and then not get anything all the while having that money denied from my personal investment plan?

SS is an obligatory insurance plan against poverty in old age, not a retirement plan. Read up a bit. Then figure out how how insurance plans work.
 
BTW this is why SS should be partially privatized so the people who pay more in will get their money back while the people who make little will still have something to support them through their senior years.

Another one who does not understand what SS is intended for. Its an insurance system that uses a progressive payment system, not a retirement plan.
 
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