Pete Carroll, the Rose Bowl, Willis McGahee, and Class

[jjones]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: jjones
IMO, extremely poor tackling led to USC's defeat more than anything else.

vince is deceptively quick and elusive...there's a reason people miss tackles on him all the time...just like there's a reason people miss tackles on reggie all the time - his speed does nto allow for arm tackles

I'm not just speaking of VY, all throughout the game the sheer number of missed tackles of Texas ball carriers was an embarrassment. USC defense lost this game by poor tackling, just like I would have put the blame on Texas defense had they lost the game by not being able to pressure Leinart often enough in the second half and by letting White run at will.

Both offenses are good and it came down to which team's defense was having a better day. Texas' defense wasn't great but USC's defense was worse.

 

[BigJ]

All the excuses in the world won't change a Texas W into a a USC W.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Call me crazy... but I thought the reason White was playing on fourth and one was because every time Bush touched the ball he got crushed, whereas everytime White touched the ball he was ten yards down field before Texas had a chance to blink.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Call me crazy... but I thought the reason White was playing on fourth and one was because every time Bush touched the ball he got crushed, whereas everytime White touched the ball he was ten yards down field before Texas had a chance to blink.

Yeah, Bush got exposed by the Texas defense IMO.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Call me crazy... but I thought the reason White was playing on fourth and one was because every time Bush touched the ball he got crushed, whereas everytime White touched the ball he was ten yards down field before Texas had a chance to blink.

Big part of it. Bush had 13 carries for a little less than 86 yards. In the ND game, he had 15 carries for 150+ yards. To say that he didn't get enough carries is absurd. Simply put, the Texas D had Bush's number. Because of this, USC could exploit Texas' weakness in containing a straight-ahead run.

 

[Metron]

Would the OP like some cheese with that whine?

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Queasy
So now the USC excuse is going to be that they were saving Bush for the NFL?

I was expecting a Bush/Lienart all out extravaganzza. I knew it wouldn't be a cakewalk though. That being said, it was a VERY close game that easily could of went either way. Bush didn't play up to his usual level, and Vince Young had a SPECTACULAR night. I truly never thought he could carry the team by himself. He was the Texas offense. Period.

No excuses, USC choked, and Texas held strong. Great game in the second half (both teams were a tad rusty in the first half).

Texas prepared for the slash & burn of Bush and relegated him to a minor role. The straight ahead running style of White made him a better choice for the defense Texas was using.

True. They had an answer for Reggie, ans SC looked like they had never seen tape of VY. I would have thought they would have been a bit better prepared.....

yea...you would think so. they maybe should have tried the 'spy on vince' defense that ohio statue used earlier in the year. basically they just had aj hawk stand and focus on vince until he committed on the zone read

How well did that work out for them? If I remember correctly, Young just beat them with his arm instead.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: NL5

Originally posted by: Queasy
So now the USC excuse is going to be that they were saving Bush for the NFL?

I was expecting a Bush/Lienart all out extravaganzza. I knew it wouldn't be a cakewalk though. That being said, it was a VERY close game that easily could of went either way. Bush didn't play up to his usual level, and Vince Young had a SPECTACULAR night. I truly never thought he could carry the team by himself. He was the Texas offense. Period.

No excuses, USC choked, and Texas held strong. Great game in the second half (both teams were a tad rusty in the first half).

Texas prepared for the slash & burn of Bush and relegated him to a minor role. The straight ahead running style of White made him a better choice for the defense Texas was using.

True. They had an answer for Reggie, ans SC looked like they had never seen tape of VY. I would have thought they would have been a bit better prepared.....

yea...you would think so. they maybe should have tried the 'spy on vince' defense that ohio statue used earlier in the year. basically they just had aj hawk stand and focus on vince until he committed on the zone read

How well did that work out for them? If I remember correctly, Young just beat them with his arm instead.

On 20 carries, they held VY to under 80 yards. Passing he was 18/29 for 270 yards.

Compare that in the USC game to 30/40 for 267 yards passing, and 19 carries for 200 yards.

Big difference.

 

[Bumrush99]

I'm a U of Miami fan and can feel the pain that some USC fans must be feeling. Especially when the REFS determine the outcome of the game by making some bonehead calls. The clear catch and subsequent fumble that was ruled an incompletion was a clear completion. I have been watching football for 25 and don't know anyone that would have called that play an incompletion. The lateral by Young when his knee was clearly on the ground is another example of poor officiating that had an outcome on the final result.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I'm a U of Miami fan and can feel the pain that some USC fans must be feeling. Especially when the REFS determine the outcome of the game by making some bonehead calls. The clear catch and subsequent fumble that was ruled an incompletion was a clear completion. I have been watching football for 25 and don't know anyone that would have called that play an incompletion. The lateral by Young when his knee was clearly on the ground is another example of poor officiating that had an outcome on the final result.

There was poor officiating all the way around. The bad calls and no-calls were pretty even. That "catch" that should have been called a trap. The blatant and obvious holding by the USC offensive line, etc...

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: dainthomas
They didn't want to win. Losing makes them classy. Yeah, that's the ticket. :roll:

Whatever makes you feel better.

SC fanboys are still #1 when it comes to whining and making excuses. 😉

Amen to that, win or lose nothing will keep them from trying to convince us that they are the best team. And I can't wait to see them lose a couple games next year just to eek into the Outback Bowl or something like that and having to formulate another excuse along the lines of "Just wait until we get Casey Klausen, we'll win 4 more Championships!"

Just like how Leinart was trying to convince people that they are still the best team. What an asshat.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I'm a U of Miami fan and can feel the pain that some USC fans must be feeling. Especially when the REFS determine the outcome of the game by making some bonehead calls. The clear catch and subsequent fumble that was ruled an incompletion was a clear completion. I have been watching football for 25 and don't know anyone that would have called that play an incompletion. The lateral by Young when his knee was clearly on the ground is another example of poor officiating that had an outcome on the final result.

There was poor officiating all the way around. The bad calls and no-calls were pretty even. That "catch" that should have been called a trap. The blatant and obvious holding by the USC offensive line, etc...

Agreed. The Refs were crappy but at least you can say they were pretty much consistent in their crappiness.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: jjones
IMO, extremely poor tackling led to USC's defeat more than anything else.

vince is deceptively quick and elusive...there's a reason people miss tackles on him all the time...just like there's a reason people miss tackles on reggie all the time - his speed does nto allow for arm tackles

I agree, but that's at the college level. Reggie Bush averages 10 yards per carry....if he got half that in the NFL he'd be a spectacular superstar running back.

Vince Young's problem is that he won't have that half step and strength advantage on other guys in the NFL. Most of his runs yesterday would have been 3 yard gains (the point at which the first USC defender typically let him slide through their arms) against even the worst NFL defense.

He had a lot more than a half step against USCs defense.

 

[ramuman]

Originally posted by: BigJ

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On 20 carries, they held VY to under 80 yards. Passing he was 18/29 for 270 yards.

Compare that in the USC game to 30/40 for 267 yards passing, and 19 carries for 200 yards.

Big difference.

That might have something to do with the fact that maybe Ohio State was just a better defense against UT 😉.

And to the excuse makers:

Stop complaining about officiating. Remember when Leinart got "intercepted" near the end of the second quarter and the UT defender fell down and the ball popped out. No review on that either and it was ruled incomplete. Led to a SC field goal.

The biggest tools are ESPN. Every talking head that picked USC to win called VY's performance the best ever in clutch game in college football, and the biggest tool there Kirk Herbstreit calling it the best performance by anyone in any football game. He of course rode the USC bandwagon like there was no way to get off up until kickoff.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I actually see Reggie Bush ending up being a 3rd down back in the NFL.

And a first down, and a second down back.

Texas held him to a minor role by preparation and the majority of those kids will not play a down in the NFL. Bush will be relegated to a role-player in an NFL offense...if he makes it past his first season. He'll pull some stupid showboat flip into the endzone and get destroyed the next time he takes the field.

Apparantly 279 all purpose yards and a TD is considered a minor role now.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
USC and Classy? Someone forgot to tell Leinart.

Carroll and classy...not USC...and certainly not Leinart. He was acting like a brat the entire game after he tossed the INT and gave a fairly ingracious interview. I heard Bush went into the Texas lockerroom to congratulate some of their guys....but I suppose that's easy to do when you're going to be a multimillionaire and the talk of the football world for the entire next year.

Leinart went to the UT locker room as well to congradulate Young and Brown. It's understandable why he said what he did, especially being just after a game, but in that same interview he gave a lot of credit to Vince Young and Texas. I think he was in shock. lol he called VY a freakish athlete, and its good the reporter followed up or else that would have been taken out of context as well.

USC had a great run, and if Lendale doesn't fumble and lose 1-2 yards before the infamous 4th down play, USC most likely would have won the game. USC only lost 2 games in 3 years, and something like 4/5 in 4. Thats a pretty good program. And they didn't lose the Rose Bowl convincingly, so I don't think Leinart was out of line. He didn't blame the officials or the coach or Bush's fumble.

I know the UT guys like to play the disrespect card, but put it in perspective. Its not like Texas buried USC like LSU thrashed Miami, and then claiming they are the better team.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Feldenak
I actually see Reggie Bush ending up being a 3rd down back in the NFL.

And a first down, and a second down back.

Texas held him to a minor role by preparation and the majority of those kids will not play a down in the NFL. Bush will be relegated to a role-player in an NFL offense...if he makes it past his first season. He'll pull some stupid showboat flip into the endzone and get destroyed the next time he takes the field.

Apparantly 279 all purpose yards and a TD is considered a minor role now.

so rushing for ~80 yards is a normal day for Reggie? I don't think he would agree...

 

[BlueWeasel]

What exactly did Leinhart say or do after the game that was so classless? I didn't get a chance to see any of the postgame stuff.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
What exactly did Leinhart say or do after the game that was so classless? I didn't get a chance to see any of the postgame stuff.

he said that USC was still the better football team. shut up crybaby, and leave it on the field. Scoreboard is all that mattered at that point. I am not a fan of Texass or USC, but that was just classless.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel
What exactly did Leinhart say or do after the game that was so classless? I didn't get a chance to see any of the postgame stuff.

he said that USC was still the better football team. shut up crybaby, and leave it on the field. Scoreboard is all that mattered at that point. I am not a fan of Texass or USC, but that was just classless.

Ahhh...thanks!

 

[Kev]

"so rushing for ~80 yards is a normal day for Reggie? I don't think he would agree..."

Why does everyone insist on ignoring his 95 recieving yards?

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Kev
"so rushing for ~80 yards is a normal day for Reggie? I don't think he would agree..."

Why does everyone insist on ignoring his 95 recieving yards?

because he is being touted as :the best running back in college history", not the best all-purpose back

 

[SpanishFry]

At least we can get rid of this 3 Peat bullsh$t.


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[Kev]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Kev
"so rushing for ~80 yards is a normal day for Reggie? I don't think he would agree..."

Why does everyone insist on ignoring his 95 recieving yards?

because he is being touted as :the best running back in college history", not the best all-purpose back

:roll:

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: kmr1212
At least we can get rid of this 3 Peat bullsh$t.


onepete.jpg

That is beautiful!