PETA is criticizing the use of dry ice to control rat problems??

spacejamz

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Seriously??? that is the only word I can come up with for this...especially since it is proving to be an effective means to help control this problem....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/16/urban-war-rats-cities-turn-to-dry-ice/90409978/

The emerging dry ice method has been criticized by the anti-animal cruelty group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which advocates for people and communities dealing with rodent infestations to take preventive action, such as keeping garbage cans sealed, and only use non-lethal traps when a rat gets in a home.

“Lethal initiatives are ineffective and actually backfire,” said Stephanie Bell, PETA’s senior director of cruelty casework. “Wild animals of any sort are attracted to places where there's a reliable food supply, and until that changes, the city will always find itself two steps back if it depends on killing.”
 

Moonbeam

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Stephanie Bell is essentially correct. The way to insure there are no rats in a city is to insure there is no food supply. Like nuclear power, this is a great idea. It just so happens, however, that just as we will never safely dispose of nuclear waste, we will never have cities that prevent rats from feeding. The moral conviction to deal with problems ethically does not exist in humanity. Humanity is sick with the disease of self hate and unconsciously works for its own destruction. In our self hate we never notice our hate turns to blaming everyone else and never ourselves. There is no cure for humanity out there. Only you can fix yourself.
 

werepossum

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they should get naked and protest!

people exposing tits and ass.
lol +1

I gotta ask - does dry ice make rats get up and disco themselves silly or what?

Never mind, I read the story. Never thought of city rats living in borrows, I thought they lived in old building foundations and such. That's a pretty cool (and humane) way to kill them.
 

BoomerD

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Then they'd HATE me...when I see evidence of rats getting my tomatoes...I strike!

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JEDIYoda

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My best frriends wife`s cooking could solve the rat problem in a humane...well eating her cooking might not be considered humane.....
 

zinfamous

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I work with purpose-bred mice for a living, which involves euthanizing them on a regular basis. CO2 asphyxiation is a rather awful method of killing rodents and I avoid it whenever possible. I much prefer to just break their necks: quick, easy, painless. If you've ever drowned or been out of breath under water, or in a burning house, you know exactly what this is like. It is hardly humane.

I find PETA to be repulsive in many of their efforts, but I'm OK with this. The best method to deal with a rodent problem is to introduce a rat snake to your property. Nothing is more effective. But dry ice is cheap and it is super effective so I can understand why the city prefers this. I'd rather introduction of natural predators, though.
 
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I work with purpose-bred mice for a living, which involves euthanizing them on a regular basis. CO2 asphyxiation is a rather awful method of killing rodents and I avoid it whenever possible. I much prefer to just break their necks: quick, easy, painless. If you've ever drowned or been out of breath under water, or in a burning house, you know exactly what this is like. It is hardly humane.

I find PETA to be repulsive in many of their efforts, but I'm OK with this. The best method to deal with a rodent problem is to introduce a rat snake to your property. Nothing is more effective. But dry ice is cheap and it is super effective so I can understand why the city prefers this. I'd rather introduction of natural predators, though.
Cane toads :colbert:

It's not the most humane way, and I consider myself a tree hugger, but, f$ck those rats, they are walking disease factories. In an urban environment, pest control is a very necessary thing to have. And this seems to be extremely economical as well.
 
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bshole

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I work with purpose-bred mice for a living, which involves euthanizing them on a regular basis. CO2 asphyxiation is a rather awful method of killing rodents and I avoid it whenever possible. I much prefer to just break their necks: quick, easy, painless. If you've ever drowned or been out of breath under water, or in a burning house, you know exactly what this is like. It is hardly humane.

I find PETA to be repulsive in many of their efforts, but I'm OK with this. The best method to deal with a rodent problem is to introduce a rat snake to your property. Nothing is more effective. But dry ice is cheap and it is super effective so I can understand why the city prefers this. I'd rather introduction of natural predators, though.

Pigs are often stunned with CO2 before slaughter. It takes 30 seconds start to finish and is done in a group. I believe the zapping with electrical current to the noggin is more humane as it is instantaneous. Given that pig intelligence rivals that of dogs and chimps in some ways, I find it better not to think about where the bacon comes from.

The majority of meat in America is produced in horrific conditions that were simply unimaginable when I was born. Factory farms keep prices low at the cost of torturing millions of animals.

PETA has valid points on some issues...

Marino and co-author Christina Colvin, also from Emory, came to that conclusion after reviewing dozens of studies conducted on pigs and other animals. Often studies on cognition and behavior focus on only a single characteristic, so the researchers in this case compiled the findings into a single document.

They found that pigs:

• have excellent long-term memories
• are whizzes with mazes and other tests requiring location of objects
• can comprehend a simple symbolic language and can learn complex combinations of symbols for actions and objects
• love to play and engage in mock fighting with each other, similar to play in dogs and other mammals
• live in complex social communities where they keep track of individuals and learn from one another
• cooperate with one another
• can manipulate a joystick to move an on-screen cursor, a capacity they share with chimpanzees
• can use a mirror to find hidden food
• exhibit a form of empathy when witnessing the same emotion in another individual

Contrast these abilities with the way that pigs are often treated in factory farms. PETA reports that mother pigs (sows) spend most of their lives in what are known as “gestation crates,” which do not even allow the pigs to turn around. Once they give birth, they are impregnated again, with the cycle continuing for three or four years before the mother is slaughtered.

PETA goes on to mention that “in extremely crowded conditions, piglets are prone to stress-related behavior such as cannibalism and tail-biting, so farmers often chop off piglets’ tails and use pliers to break off the ends of their teeth–without giving them any painkillers.”
http://www.seeker.com/iq-tests-suggest-pigs-are-smart-as-dogs-chimps-1769934406.html

Imagine this was your entire existence....

pig-abuse-475.jpg
 

PokerGuy

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Seriously??? that is the only word I can come up with for this...especially since it is proving to be an effective means to help control this problem....

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/16/urban-war-rats-cities-turn-to-dry-ice/90409978/

The emerging dry ice method has been criticized by the anti-animal cruelty group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which advocates for people and communities dealing with rodent infestations to take preventive action, such as keeping garbage cans sealed, and only use non-lethal traps when a rat gets in a home.

“Lethal initiatives are ineffective and actually backfire,” said Stephanie Bell, PETA’s senior director of cruelty casework. “Wild animals of any sort are attracted to places where there's a reliable food supply, and until that changes, the city will always find itself two steps back if it depends on killing.”

PETA composed of morons? Who would have thought? Shocking, shocking I tell you!
 

mizzou

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Stephanie Bell is essentially correct. The way to insure there are no rats in a city is to insure there is no food supply. Like nuclear power, this is a great idea. It just so happens, however, that just as we will never safely dispose of nuclear waste, we will never have cities that prevent rats from feeding. The moral conviction to deal with problems ethically does not exist in humanity. Humanity is sick with the disease of self hate and unconsciously works for its own destruction. In our self hate we never notice our hate turns to blaming everyone else and never ourselves. There is no cure for humanity out there. Only you can fix yourself.

I always thought it was more like, we have existed peacefully with and against nature for thousands and thousands of years. Why do we need to rape nature all of a sudden? That is PETA in my opinion. I don't think PETA exists to protect animals out of ethics, it's out of respect.
 

hal2kilo

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Pigs are often stunned with CO2 before slaughter. It takes 30 seconds start to finish and is done in a group. I believe the zapping with electrical current to the noggin is more humane as it is instantaneous. Given that pig intelligence rivals that of dogs and chimps in some ways, I find it better not to think about where the bacon comes from.

The majority of meat in America is produced in horrific conditions that were simply unimaginable when I was born. Factory farms keep prices low at the cost of torturing millions of animals.

PETA has valid points on some issues...


http://www.seeker.com/iq-tests-suggest-pigs-are-smart-as-dogs-chimps-1769934406.html

Imagine this was your entire existence....

pig-abuse-475.jpg
Are you gonna take the red pill or the blue pill to find out.