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Personal property tax really pisses me off
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Jfrag Teh Foul
Diamond Member
Yeah, that tax really sux donkey d*ck! Basically it tells us that we only rent our stuff from Uncle Sam rather than outright owning it... cause if you don't pay it they either send you to jail or take your property away... or both! The worst part is that they don't even use proper lubrication while the are boinkin us.
GRRRR! (but I'm not bitter) 😉
GRRRR! (but I'm not bitter) 😉
BrunoPuntzJones
Lifer
Another reason why TX kicks all other states' asses
No personal property tax
No income tax
Lax gun laws
No personal property tax
No income tax
Lax gun laws
UltraQuiet
Banned
In some states it also called an ad velorum or added value tax. It is a tax you pay in order to get your license plates based on the value of your vehicle. Thankfully, every state I've been stationed in has a military exemption for this and all I had to pay was a flat fee. ($20 in GA)
Oh, well Iowa has that as well. Registration is based upon the value of your vehicle, unless you have a truck, then it's a flat $50 some odd dollar fee. We make up for it though when it comes to gasoline taxes. We don't have the state taxes added into gasoline prices like Illinois or other states that have a flat registration fee.
Jfrag Teh Foul
Diamond Member
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't double taxation supposedly illegal in the first place? Because that is the case then doesn't the federal gub'ment owe us some jailtime because they tax our paycheck before we even get it on both the state and federal level, then they tax us again when we go to use our money that already had anywhere from 35% to 24% skimmed off the top from the income tax.... THEN you get into other crap like sin taxes, gas taxes and the like.
shiner
Lifer
Funny this thread would be posted here. I was having this same argument with a dimwit Democrat the other day via email. He was all for jacking up personal property taxes even higher since "the wealthy landowners need to pay more." At one point he asked me what I would replace property taxes with. Here's my reply copied from the email I sent him. His reply? That my proposals were not fair and didn't tax the wealthy enough. Frickin Commie!!
1. Abolish the state income tax - Replace it with a consumption tax. Excluding groceries, medication, and those families below the poverty level.
2. Abolish the state property tax - Replace with usage taxes. Itemize it by department so that I can see what I am paying every year for police, fire, roads, etc? Base the tax on crime rates, fire rates, etc? where you live. If the insurance companies can come up with a system to determine who is more at risk for crime, fire, etc? then so can the government. As for the road usage tax, base it on the weight of vehicle you own. Bigger car = more taxes. I drive an SUV and do more damage to the roads than a Honda 2 seater so therefore I should pay more in road taxes.
3. Abolish the Inheritance tax - Don't replace it. Why should I be taxed on something when I die that I have already paid taxes on my entire life?
4. Raise the so called "sin" taxes. They have a dual benefit of increasing revenue and possibly stopping a few people from smoking and drinking. They are fair and only affect people that chose to use those things.
5. Trim the damn government. It's time the various government entities figured out how to trim the fat and live within a budget. The bureaucrats need to remember that it is OUR money they are spending. While we're at it cut the salary of the Governor, State Senators, State Reps, Mayors, School Superintendents, on down the line. If you really want to raise teacher salaries then start trimming the bureaucracy and give the money saved to the people actually in the classroom.
1. Abolish the state income tax - Replace it with a consumption tax. Excluding groceries, medication, and those families below the poverty level.
2. Abolish the state property tax - Replace with usage taxes. Itemize it by department so that I can see what I am paying every year for police, fire, roads, etc? Base the tax on crime rates, fire rates, etc? where you live. If the insurance companies can come up with a system to determine who is more at risk for crime, fire, etc? then so can the government. As for the road usage tax, base it on the weight of vehicle you own. Bigger car = more taxes. I drive an SUV and do more damage to the roads than a Honda 2 seater so therefore I should pay more in road taxes.
3. Abolish the Inheritance tax - Don't replace it. Why should I be taxed on something when I die that I have already paid taxes on my entire life?
4. Raise the so called "sin" taxes. They have a dual benefit of increasing revenue and possibly stopping a few people from smoking and drinking. They are fair and only affect people that chose to use those things.
5. Trim the damn government. It's time the various government entities figured out how to trim the fat and live within a budget. The bureaucrats need to remember that it is OUR money they are spending. While we're at it cut the salary of the Governor, State Senators, State Reps, Mayors, School Superintendents, on down the line. If you really want to raise teacher salaries then start trimming the bureaucracy and give the money saved to the people actually in the classroom.
BrunoPuntzJones
Lifer
Local here is 8.25% (believe state is 6%, the other 2% is county and local). That's still less than sales tax in other places I've been. Only exceptions are certain food items (no tax on milk, eggs, etc), cars (6.25% I think) and maybe a couple of others.
Arkansas also gets some tax breaks. If you live just outside of TX you don't pay income tax or personal property tax. This was done because AR was losing too many residents and businesses which were moving to TX because of the tax incentive.
vi_edit, you're just cruisin' for a bruisin' 😉
Jfrag Teh Foul
Diamond Member
Good calls on all of it... I am beginning to think that the government itself is America's biggest Welfare recipient.
If i itemized my actual taxes at the end of the year, i could deduct this personal property junk...but since i don't currently have a mortgage, i just take the standard deduction.
Apparently, virginia is trying go "do away" or "lessen" personal property tax, but it ain't happening anytime soon!!!
Stupid "luxury" cars
Apparently, virginia is trying go "do away" or "lessen" personal property tax, but it ain't happening anytime soon!!!
Stupid "luxury" cars
The issue is not whether or not they earned it, it's whether or not the money/items have already been taxed - Which they have.
There is absolutely no reason (other than government greed and liberal jealousy) to take money from estates.
And greed/jealousy is the real issue.
"Waaaaah! Why should they get something I didn't?! Waaaaah!"
Viper GTS
Amused
Elite Member
It always amazes me how people will sacrifice the freedom of others to gain their own.
Here you bitch about your sacred bulls being gored, yet you're all for doing the same to others, why?
So-called "sin" taxes help no one but smugglers and organized crime. The taxes on tobacco are already so high, smuggling will become a major problem. Just ask Canada.
Meanwhile, be careful what you wish for. Smoking and drinking aren't the only "sins." Next will be any food deemed "unhealthy." Hell, they already have special taxes on soda/pop in some states, thanks to stupidity like this.
George Orwell was almost right. But it's not Big Brother we have to look out for, it's Big Mother.
I agree with you on certain things and disagree on others. The idea of a sin tax is terrible. The government should have no business taxing me more because I'm doing something that is deemed a "sin". I should be able to do whatever I want with my body and it is none of the government's business. Sin taxes are another step to regulating morals.
Also, I don't know about your "usage" tax... Itemizing the cost of protecting people based on risk seems inherently oppressive to people living in ghettos, slums, and poor neighborhoods. These are the neighborhoods with the highest crime rates. Though I can't think of a good alternative right now, I think there must be a better way of doing this. Concerning your usage tax for roads... I think more studies would need to be done before implementing a usage tax based on weight. Furthermore a person who owns a SUV but never drives it would pay a higher usage tax than a person with a Honda putting 20K miles on it per year. This doesn't seem right either... IMHO, gasoline taxes and tolls on major highways should be used to pay for roads. A higher gasoline tax would be a much more accurate usage tax than a tax based on vehicle weight. Possibly a yearly vehicle inspection where you pay a usage tax based on the weight of your vehicle and the number of miles driven, though this might be difficult to implement. The fact remains that if you own a vehicle but never drive it, you shouldn't have to pay the government anything. Likewise, if you own your home, you shouldn't have to pay the government to live there, no matter the size. Also, I consider owning and having a loan the same from the standpoint of the government. While you don't own something when you have a loan, the agreement is between you and a third party in the eyes of the government. They should have nothing to do with it other than a sales tax, which is a "cost of doing business" tax.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong...
Ryan
shiner
Lifer
Don't get me wrong. I'm not for "sin taxes? because I think smoking and drinking are immoral. The last thing I want is for the government to try and legislate morality. I'm for them because they target only the people that choose to use the substances. Hell my fridge is full of beer right now, except for the bottle in my hand, and I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for it. Plus you have to remember that most heavy smokers and drinkers have a higher risk of increased health care costs which in the end most of us end up paying for.
About the usage tax based on roads? I'm not sure how you could implement it if you didn't base it only on how much a vehicle weighs. If someone owns a vehicle and doesn't ever drive it that's their own silliness.
I realize that the payment for police, fire, etc... services could be hard to make for certain inner city, high crime, or low income areas. I haven't thought through the plan enough to figure out how to exempt those people. Maybe make the building owners pay the usage fees. Much like property taxes the building owners already have to pay it would never actually be charged to the people living there. It most likely would be passed on in the rental rates but I still feel that these fees would be lower than property taxes which seem to be somewhat arbitrary.
And now I must go.....time to watch LOTR again......
About the usage tax based on roads? I'm not sure how you could implement it if you didn't base it only on how much a vehicle weighs. If someone owns a vehicle and doesn't ever drive it that's their own silliness.
I realize that the payment for police, fire, etc... services could be hard to make for certain inner city, high crime, or low income areas. I haven't thought through the plan enough to figure out how to exempt those people. Maybe make the building owners pay the usage fees. Much like property taxes the building owners already have to pay it would never actually be charged to the people living there. It most likely would be passed on in the rental rates but I still feel that these fees would be lower than property taxes which seem to be somewhat arbitrary.
And now I must go.....time to watch LOTR again......
Well, my only problem with sin taxes are that there is no clear definition of where they can stop. Will they be extended to everything that is deemed "bad" for you? If I want to do things that a bad for me, should I be taxed at a higher rate? I just don't think it makes sense.
As far as the cars go, I really disagree about the usage tax. Taxing cars based on their weight is the same as an excise (or property) tax if you are leavying a tax every year. If you don't pay it, you can get a ticket, the car impounded, etc. If you own the car, it you shouldn't be taxed to keep it, no matter if it is a use tax based on weight or a property tax. See what I'm getting at? Again, I think that gasoline tax and tolls on major highways could achieve the same solution. Just my opinion though...
Anyway, it is nice to know that there are other people out there that share similar views.
Ryan
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Nope New Hampshire beats y'all. Look it up 😛
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