"PERSONAL FLAMES WILL NOT BE TOLERATED"-p/n board description

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't know how to respond, I try to be fair as I possibly can and if I'm not I'd hope you'd know that you can take your complaint to Derek. He's very proactive and doesn't hesitate to rule against us if he feels we're wrong.

Well I guess I did know how to respond.

You are fair Red, and you're not on a power trip, that makes you a good mod. You've also helped a lot of people over at TFNN straiten out the problems they've had here, I respect you for that. My only gripe is with two mods that think they own this place,it annoys me, and nothing more than that.

I didn't intend to derail this thread and make it a bitch fest, nor was it my intention to call anyone to the carpet, despite how it looks. I simply felt the need to express an opinion that I think more than a few people share.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't know how to respond, I try to be fair as I possibly can and if I'm not I'd hope you'd know that you can take your complaint to Derek. He's very proactive and doesn't hesitate to rule against us if he feels we're wrong.

Well I guess I did know how to respond.

for not knowing how to respond i think that was pretty good LOL

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: sandorski
P&N was basically created because none of the Mods wanted anything to do with various types of threads. So P&N was kinda abandoned by the Mods for a long time. By the time they returned to do some Modding, certain things had been so entrenched that they more or less had to only deal with extreme shenanigans. It should have been more structred and Modded from the start, but it's too late to whine about that.

edit: that's the way it appears to me anyway. From someone who has been in P&N since its' inception.

I actually wish it would go back to being that way; The personal attacks are rampant anyway , even some the mods do it on a regular basis. So it is still the wild west only with some opresssive mods that tend to mod with personal bias rather than an even hand.

It seems like it is getting to the point where either the mods get together and make a list of what can be discussed and exact positions that can be taken and hold ?everyone? to it or back off and let it go again.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: sandorski
P&N was basically created because none of the Mods wanted anything to do with various types of threads. So P&N was kinda abandoned by the Mods for a long time. By the time they returned to do some Modding, certain things had been so entrenched that they more or less had to only deal with extreme shenanigans. It should have been more structured and Modded from the start, but it's too late to whine about that.

edit: that's the way it appears to me anyway. From someone who has been in P&N since its' inception.

I actually wish it would go back to being that way; The personal attacks are rampant anyway , even some the mods do it on a regular basis. So it is still the wild west only with some oppressive mods that tend to mod with personal bias rather than an even hand.

It seems like it is getting to the point where either the mods get together and make a list of what can be discussed and exact positions that can be taken and hold ?everyone? to it or back off and let it go again.

When rules that are written for things that are forbidden, if something is not explicitly laid out, perps will be creative in justifying garbage that they generate.

These people do not want to live with common sense, decency and courtesy. They prefer shock tactics to see what they can get away with.

Under the new regime, this is being allowed, to the detriment of the forums and actually causes headaches in trying to contain the garbage that is now floating around.

Similar to the USSC ruling on porn, it is hard to define, but when spotted, you know it.

Here the sniff test fails, because we have to keep the Vicks bottle open under our noses.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio
The personal attacks are rampant anyway , even some the mods do it on a regular basis. So it is still the wild west only with some opresssive mods that tend to mod with personal bias rather than an even hand.

It seems like it is getting to the point where either the mods get together and make a list of what can be discussed and exact positions that can be taken and hold ?everyone? to it or back off and let it go again.

You don't think that in your case it might have something to do with you being a racist and the alleged oppression that you perceive is actually just a normal reaction of disgust from others, some who happen to be Moderators?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio
The personal attacks are rampant anyway , even some the mods do it on a regular basis. So it is still the wild west only with some opresssive mods that tend to mod with personal bias rather than an even hand.

It seems like it is getting to the point where either the mods get together and make a list of what can be discussed and exact positions that can be taken and hold ?everyone? to it or back off and let it go again.

You don't think that in your case it might have something to do with you being a racist and the alleged oppression that you perceive is actually just a normal reaction of disgust from others, some who happen to be Moderators?

No I think it is more like certain moderators perceiving some as some kind of racist Nazi monsters through their own twisted set morals and skewed sense of right and wrong, then labeling as such.

Your post here is a good example.

This does nothing but both give license to and embolden those that think as you do to jump on the personal attack bandwagon. Even persecute certain posters, thread to thread spewing heinous epithets and intentionally thread trashing instead of doing any intellectual debating whatsoever.

I would be the first to say that a moderator?s job is an unappreciated thankless one, and one I would not want to do.

However it is painfully obvious some of you just cannot handle the heat when a topic goes from a tea party to a man?s discussion. So it seems to me that it is to the point where either, all posting rules need to written and displayed in detail (not made up as you go), and enforced for ?everyone?, or no rules, no moderators, or no P&N forum

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio
The personal attacks are rampant anyway , even some the mods do it on a regular basis. So it is still the wild west only with some opresssive mods that tend to mod with personal bias rather than an even hand.

It seems like it is getting to the point where either the mods get together and make a list of what can be discussed and exact positions that can be taken and hold ?everyone? to it or back off and let it go again.

You don't think that in your case it might have something to do with you being a racist and the alleged oppression that you perceive is actually just a normal reaction of disgust from others, some who happen to be Moderators?

No I think it is more like certain moderators perceiving some as some kind of racist Nazi monsters through their own twisted set morals and skewed sense of right and wrong, then labeling as such.

Your post here is a good example.

This does nothing but both give license to and embolden those that think as you do to jump on the personal attack bandwagon. Even persecute certain posters, thread to thread spewing heinous epitaphs and intentionally thread trashing instead of doing any intellectual debating whatsoever.

I would be the first to say that a moderator?s job is an unappreciated thankless one, and one I would not want to do.

However it is painfully obvious some of you just cannot handle the heat when a topic goes from a tea party to a man?s discussion. So it seems to me that it is to the point where either, all posting rules need to written and displayed in detail (not made up as you go), and enforced for ?everyone?, or no rules, no moderators, or no P&N forum

Keep in mind that when I do post in one of your threads were you are calling for the sterilization of whole African nations that I'm not doing so in my capacity as a Moderator, just a member appalled that there people like you who think that suggesting such a thing would make a good topic for discussion.

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Socio
However it is painfully obvious some of you just cannot handle the heat when a topic goes from a tea party to a man?s discussion.

I think you just proved that you have a problem

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Evadman

I think we have the best P&N forum on the planet.

Sure if you like censorship

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Evadman

I think we have the best P&N forum on the planet.

Sure if you like censorship

What censorship would that be, Dave?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Evadman

I think we have the best P&N forum on the planet.

Sure if you like censorship

What censorship would that be, Dave?

I can't comment, it is forbidden and censored.

Sadly ironic

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Evadman

I think we have the best P&N forum on the planet.

Sure if you like censorship

What censorship would that be, Dave?

I can't comment, it is forbidden and censored.

Sadly ironic

I have trouble seeing how your post here is anything short of trolling and you shouldnt be treated as such.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio
The personal attacks are rampant anyway , even some the mods do it on a regular basis. So it is still the wild west only with some opresssive mods that tend to mod with personal bias rather than an even hand.

It seems like it is getting to the point where either the mods get together and make a list of what can be discussed and exact positions that can be taken and hold ?everyone? to it or back off and let it go again.

You don't think that in your case it might have something to do with you being a racist and the alleged oppression that you perceive is actually just a normal reaction of disgust from others, some who happen to be Moderators?

No I think it is more like certain moderators perceiving some as some kind of racist Nazi monsters through their own twisted set morals and skewed sense of right and wrong, then labeling as such.

Your post here is a good example.

This does nothing but both give license to and embolden those that think as you do to jump on the personal attack bandwagon. Even persecute certain posters, thread to thread spewing heinous epitaphs and intentionally thread trashing instead of doing any intellectual debating whatsoever.

I would be the first to say that a moderator?s job is an unappreciated thankless one, and one I would not want to do.

However it is painfully obvious some of you just cannot handle the heat when a topic goes from a tea party to a man?s discussion. So it seems to me that it is to the point where either, all posting rules need to written and displayed in detail (not made up as you go), and enforced for ?everyone?, or no rules, no moderators, or no P&N forum

Keep in mind that when I do post in one of your threads were you are calling for the sterilization of whole African nations that I'm not doing so in my capacity as a Moderator, just a member appalled that there people like you who think that suggesting such a thing would make a good topic for discussion.

It is a P&N forum and as such will always have controvertible topics and positions; the key is not to take it personal.

Also keep in mind that you are NOT a ?member? you?re a ?MODERATOR?, and as such you and others with that moniker have an obligation to set a good and fair example do you not?

Like Common, Fern and Perknose you don?t see them calling people names, inciting a free-for-all against certain posters even though they may vehemently disagree with their topic or position. Nor do they use their Moderator status to unnecessarily oppress threads just because they might not "personally" agree with views or positions within the thread.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio

Also keep in mind that you are NOT a ?member? you?re a ?MODERATOR?, and as such you and others with that moniker have an obligation to set a good and fair example do you not?

You are wrong, at least according to the guidelines given us by Derek. According to him we are free to post as members as long as we don't abuse our position of authority as Moderators which I don't, especially in your case. The fact that I do respond to your sociopathec rants keeps me from moderating any of your nonsense as it's against the guidelines to moderate any thread in which I'm an active participant unless it's an emergency and a situation can't wait for another Mod to step in

Like Common, Fern and Perknose you don?t see them calling people names, inciting a free-for-all against certain posters even though they may vehemently disagree with their topic or position.

I'm not going to comment on the other Moderators but I will say that I have as much right to post what I do as you have to post your slurs about those whom you disagree with and it's your White Supremacist views that cause the free for all of those denouncing them, not what I say to you.

Nor do they use their Moderator status to unnecessarily oppress threads just because they might not "personally" agree with views or positions within the thread.

As far as I'm concerned I don't either. If I ever do feel free to contact Derek about it with a link to my alleged abuse of authority.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio

Also keep in mind that you are NOT a ?member? you?re a ?MODERATOR?, and as such you and others with that moniker have an obligation to set a good and fair example do you not?

You are wrong, at least according to the guidelines given us by Derek. According to him we are free to post as members as long as we don't abuse our position of authority as Moderators which I don't, especially in your case. The fact that I do respond to your sociopathec rants keeps me from moderating any of your nonsense as it's against the guidelines to moderate any thread in which I'm an active participant unless it's an emergency and a situation can't wait for another Mod to step in

Like Common, Fern and Perknose you don?t see them calling people names, inciting a free-for-all against certain posters even though they may vehemently disagree with their topic or position.

I'm not going to comment on the other Moderators but I will say that I have as much right to post what I do as you have to post your slurs about those whom you disagree with and it's your White Supremacist views that cause the free for all of those denouncing them, not what I say to you.

Nor do they use their Moderator status to unnecessarily oppress threads just because they might not "personally" agree with views or positions within the thread.

As far as I'm concerned I don't either. If I ever do feel free to contact Derek about it with a link to my alleged abuse of authority.

I am not a "White Supremacist" nor do I "slur" posters with racial epithets and insinuations. I am a adult, that acts like one, one that is good enough in the art of debate I have no reason to stoop to that level.

Fixed!

 

[allisolm]

racial epitaphs?

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: allisolm
racial epitaphs?

You've never seen his line of gravestones?

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: allisolm
racial epitaphs?

You've never seen his line of gravestones?

ZING!

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: allisolm
racial epitaphs?

You've never seen his line of gravestones?

I thought maybe he was the guy in charge of writing things like:

Beneath this grassy mound now rests
One Edgar Oscar Earl,
Who to another hunter looked
Exactly like a squirrel.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: allisolm
racial epitaphs?

Fixed; we can't have one misspelled word negate my whole argument now can we.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: allisolm
racial epitaphs?

Fixed; we can't have one misspelled word negate my whole argument now can we.

In that case, you might want to correct your "misspelling" of the same word earlier in this thread.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: allisolm

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: allisolm
racial epitaphs?

Fixed; we can't have one misspelled word negate my whole argument now can we.

In that case, you might want to correct your "misspelling" of the same word earlier in this thread.

Done!

 

[Steve]

People are harping on Socio's spelling but not Red Dawn's. This is clearly moderator bias.

 

[alchemize]

These are my favorite threads anymore. Can we have a forum dedicated to moderator bias and Dave?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Socio
...

It is a P&N forum and as such will always have controvertible topics and positions; the key is not to take it personal.

Also keep in mind that you are NOT a ?member? you?re a ?MODERATOR?, and as such you and others with that moniker have an obligation to set a good and fair example do you not?

Like Common, Fern and Perknose you don?t see them calling people names, inciting a free-for-all against certain posters even though they may vehemently disagree with their topic or position. Nor do they use their Moderator status to unnecessarily oppress threads just because they might not "personally" agree with views or positions within the thread.

If you think there is a real specific problem...start a thread in PFI about it, we're happy to listen to any concerns expressed in a reasonable way. But just posting vague generalities doesn't help anyone.